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[Pics] 2017 Colt Cobra...finally arrived
Here it is...the 2017 Colt Cobra. I've been waiting for awhile to get my hands on one of these.
First, I am really pleased to see Colt getting back into the double action revolver game. Sort of afraid that it is too late for them, but we'll see long term. Mechanically, the gun feels solid. It locks up tight. Trigger pull is quite smooth all the way through. Impressive, in my view. Sweet single action for those who would shoot a snub that way (not me).
I am on the fence about the fiber-optic front sight. It is useful but sort of ugly. Fortunately, an ugly front sight isn't going to hurt this gun's overall aesthetics. It's a clean looking utilitarian design. The appearance and feel conveys modern CNC production quality but none of that old school hands-on craftsmanship. that sounds unduly critical. Not meant to be. The days of hand polished blued carbon steel are long gone on "production" revolvers. Colt delivered what it promised. A nice little revolver for concealed carry. Matte stainless is perfect for a sweaty waist band. [I understand that a tritium night sight will be available soon from Brownell's]
Hogue grips are great. One of my favorite companys. The Hogue Monogrip is predictably comfortable but, in my opinion, too damned long. We need a boot grip option. That will come soon enough. It appears that old Colt D frame grips DO NOT FIT. Some are close. Might even be able to tweak some to fit okay...but it's not a perfect match.
Going to the range tomorrow. Have not fired it yet. My initial impression is favorable. Only real gripe is the Rampant Colt stamp. It is not done well on any of the Cobra's that I have seen. Note, mine is the only one seen in person. All others were photos. Enough talk...here are some photos.
Here is one of my 1975 Cobras (year I was made) with my / my daughter's 2017 Cobra (year she was made):
A few more:
Just messing with the grips. It's close to the old Colt Cobra but not exact fit. You might be able to rig some of the older wood grips, not all. It's a "no go" unless you put in some effort.
Here it is stripped down next to an old Detective Special. See how close it is? Damn. Why couldn't they just keep the dimensions the same.
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Thanks for the detailed report. I'm sure that I'm not the only Colt lover (right after Smith and Weason, of course) that have been waiting to see a nice size by side comparison. I have two each of the Colt D. S., Cobras, and Agents, one each of the pre and post shrouded models. All are blue (or blue/anodized for the alloy frames). I had been thinking about whether I wanted to add one of these new offerings, and although it would be interesting to have, I think I'll wait a little longer.
Great post, thanks so much for sharing!!
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Following up on the Cobra pics...This is how they should have sold it. Old factory Pachmayrs seem to work just fine.
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Yes sir pachmayr's with medallions look much better.Hope you got a great gun.
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Congratulations. Thanks for the detailed photos. Those Pachmayr's are certainly better looking and they appear to be a more appropriate length for a snubbie. Enjoy your trip to the range!
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Thanks for the comparison....it looks like a Colt, probably smells like a Colt, your range report will tell if it "talks" like a Colt....so.....yep.....it just might be a Colt.
On the other hand what the H is that little square engraved with a bunch of squiggly marks on the right side of the frame below the crane?
I blew up the photo as best as I could and danged if that thing don't look exactly like the darned "squares" that the Company just put all over the young whippersnappers business cards (not for old goats like me).
Supposedly you just point your smart phone at these squares, and bingo somehow all your data and information is entered into somebody else's data base or up in some cloud.
'Question...........IF that's what that mark is does it link you the shooter to a satellite roving in space and then "automatically" adjust your hold and point of aim so that every single one of those six rounds lands exactly on top of the other?
Or...could it be a sales tool from Colt that tells them somehow what you shoot, where you shoot, etc.?
If that square does have a firearms related actual mechanical purpose, please let us know. It just doesn't seem like a "new and improved" Colt logo, but who knows with modern times.
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Ya had me spooked there for a minute. If I buy one, my plan was to chuck those Hogues and put on a set of the Pachmayer Compacs. That's my favorite grip for a snubbie Colt D-frame.
Thanks for the report and pics. Its looking more and more like I'm gonna buy one of these.
BTW: does it fit the old Detective Special holsters?
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[Pics] 2017 Colt Cobra...finally arrived
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Ya had me spooked there for a minute. If I buy one, my plan was to chuck those Hogues and put on a set of the Pachmayer Compacs. That's my favorite grip for a snubbie Colt D-frame.
Thanks for the report and pics. Its looking more and more like I'm gonna buy one of these.
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The Pachmayrs compacts are not an exact fit. The new frame is a bit wider. Will need to do a little cutting. Yes, the Hogue has to go. I really like Hogue grips, but not a long Monogrip on a deeper concealment snub.
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Thanks for the comparison....it looks like a Colt, probably smells like a Colt, your range report will tell if it "talks" like a Colt....so.....yep.....it just might be a Colt.
On the other hand what the H is that little square engraved with a bunch of squiggly marks on the right side of the frame below the crane?
I blew up the photo as best as I could and danged if that thing don't look exactly like the darned "squares" that the Company just put all over the young whippersnappers business cards (not for old goats like me).
Supposedly you just point your smart phone at these squares, and bingo somehow all your data and information is entered into somebody else's data base or up in some cloud.
'Question...........IF that's what that mark is does it link you the shooter to a satellite roving in space and then "automatically" adjust your hold and point of aim so that every single one of those six rounds lands exactly on top of the other?
Or...could it be a sales tool from Colt that tells them somehow what you shoot, where you shoot, etc.?
If that square does have a firearms related actual mechanical purpose, please let us know. It just doesn't seem like a "new and improved" Colt logo, but who knows with modern times.
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I think that little "square" it's just the serial number translated into code for scanning and inventory. It might not be the serial number, but it certainly has something to do with tracking.
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OP nice post! Enjoy your new blaster!
As I have a very pristine DS and a Cobra (both .38s 2'')I know the differences between those two names.
As far as the new 'Cobra" goes I fell that is a bit strange naming, the new offering is more of a DS that a light weight Cobra.
O well it will probably make things more interesting many years down the line with a "What Do I Have Here" question)
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On the other hand what the H is that little square engraved with a bunch of squiggly marks on the right side of the frame below the crane?
I blew up the photo as best as I could and danged if that thing don't look exactly like the darned "squares" that the Company just put all over the young whippersnappers business cards (not for old goats like me).
Supposedly you just point your smart phone at these squares, and bingo somehow all your data and information is entered into somebody else's data base or up in some cloud.
'Question...........IF that's what that mark is does it link you the shooter to a satellite roving in space and then "automatically" adjust your hold and point of aim so that every single one of those six rounds lands exactly on top of the other?
Or...could it be a sales tool from Colt that tells them somehow what you shoot, where you shoot, etc.?
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Thanks for the update. Nice to know they are finally showing up. My LGS still has no word when they will get one in but I remain #1 on the list. My '57 Cobra is getting anxious.
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Nice pictures and great post - Thanks! It looks pretty good to me - I'm especially pleezed that Colt is able to get a hairline yoke/frame gap - unlike the mothership lately ... . That said, the finish on the barrel makes it look like it's an investment casting ... ?
Edited to add: I didn't realize recent J-Frames have MIM barrels - they sure don't look like it! I didn't intend to be critical - I have a set-aside in my meager budget for a 6-shot snubbie - prolly this new Colt but possibly one of the Kimber's. I certainly don't want Colt to continue to fail - I hope this helps pull them back into the black!! Neither Colt nor Kimber have shown up in stores around here ...
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I noticed that also but didn't want to sound critical. It's a completely different kind of finish,but that's not gonna change my mind about getting one! The buddy who got me hooked on revolvers and I are both talking about getting one and he's about as big a S&W revolver fan as there is. I have a couple of nice 64's that I thought I would never get rid of,but I might sell one to get a cobra! On the grip issue- I have seen press release type pictures of one with gray g-10 type synthetic grips that look great. I wonder if they are available?
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My '68 Cobra was my first off duty gun purchased new for $85 and it still shoots great. I don't carry it much anymore but am anxious to shoot one of the new ones.
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2017 Colt Cobra
Thank you so much for the Review of your
2017 Colt Cobra 38 Special.
The pictures provided are great and capture
what the Revolver is like.
Your Review and many others like yours is
why I go to this Site all the time.
Let us know when you shoot it and how it
works and handles.
Good job.
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Nice looking revolver. I can't wait to get mine. Hopefully they make their way to central Iowa sometime soon. I'd prefer a plain black sight and will be replacing it once something basic comes out. I don't mind the grips. They look functional. On a revolver meant for shooting I prefer comfort and shootabilty over style.
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Looks like Badger Boot Grips fit with just a little trimming to the part that comes to rest behind the trigger guard.
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Shoots very well. The unattractive fiber-optic site is functional. Again, nice trigger pull. Feels solid. Nice shooting snub.
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Thanks for the review and the great pics. I only have one Colt - an Official Police .38 revolver from way back when. It isn't a fancy gun, but it really gives you an idea of the quality that Colt was putting into it's guns.
The finish of the new gun gives a much different impression than the old gun does, but I believe Colt was wise to make the gun as affordable as possible. If they can maintain the quality, I predict they will sell well.
Congrats on the cool new revolver!
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Very nice writeup and I agree with everything you said. How is the size compared to a hammered J-frame? My Kimber is almost exactly the same size as a 640 but will the Colt with that large hammer fit in a pocket if needed or is it closer to a SP101?
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Very nice writeup and I agree with everything you said. How is the size compared to a hammered J-frame? My Kimber is almost exactly the same size as a 640 but will the Colt with that large hammer fit in a pocket if needed or is it closer to a SP101?
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In my view, this is not a pocket gun. It's almost exactly the same size as the 3rd Gen. Detective Special. That puts it a bit closer to the SP101.
I have the Kimber too. It's noticeably larger than the Kimber. Quite frankly, the Kimber is a better revolver. Hate to say that, but it's probably true by any objective measure
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Here is what I think of when I think of "Detective Special", and it had a steel frame. I can carry this revolver in the same pocket holster (Galco horsehide PH158) that I carry my 340 PD and other J frames in. But it is a little heavy, so a "Cobra" would be the same gun with an alloy frame. That, in my opinion would be a real pocket carry gun, and I still, like some other posters cannot figure why they are calling the steel frame gun a "Cobra".
Here is my 1971 Colt Cobra. Makes a nice pocket gun in the above holster.
I know, I am beating a dead horse here. Watchdog has some great GIFs illustrating the dead horse beating.
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Here is what I think of when I think of "Detective Special", and it had a steel frame. I can carry this revolver in the same pocket holster (Galco horsehide PH158) that I carry my 340 PD and other J frames in. But it is a little heavy, so a "Cobra" would be the same gun with an alloy frame. That, in my opinion would be a real pocket carry gun, and I still, like some other posters cannot figure why they are calling the steel frame gun a "Cobra".
Here is my 1971 Colt Cobra. Makes a nice pocket gun in the above holster.
I know, I am beating a dead horse here. Watchdog has some great GIFs illustrating the dead horse beating.
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Les, I agree 100%. Not sure why they elected to call it a Cobra, as opposed to Detective Special or something of that sort. They would have a real winner if it had an alloy frame.
On that note...here is another real 1975 Cobra
Detective...
...a pile of Agents, Cobras, and Detectives. The new Colt Cobra comes under dressed to this party.
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I'm just guessing here, but I think marketing probably wanted to go with the "snake" theme for this gun (and subsequent models?). I remember that during his town hall meeting on gun control Obama seemed completely nonplussed by the fact that when he went to Colt to see if they could help him "do something" about the so-called assault-weapon problem, Colt apparently told him to go pound sand (very politely, I'm sure). It is for this reason that my next new gun purchase will probably be a Colt, and this offering actually interests me. Not that there's anything wrong with SAA revolvers, 1911s, and AR-patterned rifles, I just dig double-action revolvers more. Thanks for the very thorough review and beautiful photography, NC Beagle!
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I have exactly one Colt DS, ca. 1960. My favorite snubby. So long as I have it, I won't be putting in an order for the new Cobra.
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In my view, this is not a pocket gun. It's almost exactly the same size as the 3rd Gen. Detective Special. That puts it a bit closer to the SP101.
I have the Kimber too. It's noticeably larger than the Kimber. Quite frankly, the Kimber is a better revolver. Hate to say that, but it's probably true by any objective measure
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I suspect your assessment of the Kimber is correct. The insides of the K6S are a machinists dream. Every part is as smooth as a baby's bottom right out of the factory. I suspect if S&W built to the Kimbers specs the cost would double. Hopefully Kimber set a new standard for quality in American made revolvers. Mine is carried daily.
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Be honest as I'm interested in getting one for the wife. Is it worth the 700 asking price they are wanting ?
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[Pics] 2017 Colt Cobra...finally arrived
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The Colt? No. Hate to say it. Unless you are a snub collector like me with an academic interest. Better off getting any of the various J frames or maybe a snub Model 64. The Kimber is also a good option if you can find it at a discount used.
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The Colt? No. Hate to say it. Unless you are a snub collector like me with an academic interest. Better off getting any of the various J frames or maybe a snub Model 64. The Kimber is also a good option if you can find it at a discount used.
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Thanks for the input. I love COLT 1911's, and never had a COLT revolver. When news of this one broke out, it peeked my interest but now I'm not so sure. I think I may invest in an older one.
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I think I may invest in an older one.
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That sounds like a fine idea.
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Yes, invest in an older one! I've got $500 in the 1951 pictured above. They are hard to find and will only go up.
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Thanks for the review NCBeagle - and especially the range update - I always find that helpful in a review. It has to shoot as well as look good.
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With that trigger guard you expect to see Charter Arms on the side...a real aesthetically challenged design. The dent just kills it for me along with the bead blasted finish.
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These little puppies must be selling well because the prices are still jacked up on Crook Broker ... I am looking for one to shoot so I guess I'll have to wait till next year. I really like the way the blasted finish looks on the OP's revolver - seems to be the school solution if a person is actually going to carry and use it. No doubt though, if I were looking for one just to look at, I would try to find one of the scalper-priced Detective Specials ...
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I suspect your assessment of the Kimber is correct. The insides of the K6S are a machinists dream. Every part is as smooth as a baby's bottom right out of the factory. I suspect if S&W built to the Kimbers specs the cost would double. Hopefully Kimber set a new standard for quality in American made revolvers. Mine is carried daily.
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First, thanks to the OP for giving us a detailed look at the New Colt Cobra and unbiased review so far. Over on the other Forum some people are really getting their feelings hurt over some Colt members/ enthusiast not warming up to the New Cobra.
Secondly, I love my Smiths, Colt's, Brownings, and..... Well Ok, you get the message I'm just a gun nut.
Anyway I recently picked up a Kimber K6s and couldn't wait to do two things. Shoot it and disassemble it. Yes I'm also one of those guys that like taking things apart to see how it works and appreciates design. When I took the sideplate off the Kimber I realized I was in very familiar territory. Looks strikingly like the good ol' Smith & Wesson internals. Just FYI. Oh by the way, It shot well too. I'll try to get a camera shot of both with side plates off side by side later.
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With that trigger guard you expect to see Charter Arms on the side...a real aesthetically challenged design. The dent just kills it for me along with the bead blasted finish.
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I also have to wonder why Colt could not have kept the same trigger guard shape as the DS. That strange new shape looks damaged and just does not say "Colt" to me. Not that I plan to buy one of the new Cobras anyway so it really makes no difference.
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I also have to wonder why Colt could not have kept the same trigger guard shape as the DS. That strange new shape looks damaged and just does not say "Colt" to me. Not that I plan to buy one of the new Cobras anyway so it really makes no difference.
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Colt had to make enough design changes in order for them to be able to call it a "new" gun. After all, the action design of this new Cobra is nothing more than a SF-VI, DS-II, or Magnum Carry, which failed and ushered in the end of DA production in the late '90s. The reception wouldn't have been good if they brought one of those back without some kind of cool "enhancements", and a name change.
So they incorporated very minor geometric changes. The trigger guard shape was one. They moved the grip frame back by .010 for a better hold supposedly. They straightened the trigger hook for a more linear pull supposedly. They added the removable sight and incorporated S&W's slanted finger ratchet design. Throw some minor cosmetic changes like barrel shape and finish, and you have a gun they can tout as new.
I'm sure this new one will make a great carry gun, and anyone who wants it for that by all means buy one, but if you're expecting a flashback to Colt's days of glory, this is not it. Instead, just go find an original Detective, Cobra, or Agent. They can still be found for $500 or less, leaving you $200+ for ammo. There was just a Detective for sale locally to me, $375.
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That is one ugly trigger guard that IMO buggers up the gun over all looks. IMO The Kimber looks so much better. I looked at my Charter Bull Dog 44spl and the trigger guard doesn't look anything like this Colt guard. Thank goodness. But like they say the looks are in the eye of the beholder. To each his own.
It is good to hear the trigger action is good. That would be a definite deal breaker for me if the trigger action sucked. Look like it shoots with good accuracy.
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^^^^what he said. Much ado about nothing. And this from a snub guy!
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Are the grip pins the same size? Cant find a replacement for the one missing from my '69 DS!
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Are the grip pins the same size? Cant find a replacement for the one missing from my '69 DS!
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Are you ready for this? THE NEW COBRA SHIPS WITHOUT A GRIP PIN. Yup. That's right Hogues that are too large for concealed carry and no grip pin. Had to steal a pin from one of my old D Frames to put on oder D Frame grips. Also, not all of the older grips fit perfectly.
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Beagle, I bet you could fit the older grips well with some Acra-Glass or similar bedding compound. So long as you would be okay that they would no longer fit an original.
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Damn I was hoping to order new pins from Colt for my old short grip frame Ds.
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Following up on the Cobra pics...This is how they should have sold it. Old factory Pachmayrs seem to work just fine.
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That's the way to go right there with those grips. My old timer is from 1951. Carried a lot but mechanically perfect. I have the original grips, too.
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