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Old 06-07-2017, 09:36 PM
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Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IV™ pistols (including 22/45™ models) manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. In particular, if the trigger is pulled while the safety lever is midway between the "safe" and "fire" positions (that is, the safety is not fully engaged or fully disengaged), then the pistol may not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, if the trigger is released and the safety lever is then moved from the mid position to the "fire" position, the pistol may fire at that time.
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That's embarrassing. I wonder why that defect was not caught earlier?
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This is going to get ugly. The first thing many folks do when they buy a Ruger MK i/ii/iii/iv is upgrade the sear to get a target grade trigger pull. Many go all out and replace the entire trigger train. (Trigger,Plunger, spring, dis-connector, hammer, mag disconnect bushing, sear..) Some do there own. Many pay others to install the parts. Now Ruger is saying they won't return those parts if sent in. It's up to the owners to make the frames stock before returning.
I suspect there will be ALLOT of MK IVs that never go back because of this position.

BTW: The MK IVs seem to have been suffering from some sporadic issues already associated with the disconnector . More than a few folks have had issues with the hammer not resetting consistently. (One of my MK IV's was one of them.) Ruger has been reportedly sending out new disconnectors on request. ( Unconfirmed) This recall could be a continuation of the same issue or a brand new one.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:31 PM
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This is going to get ugly. The first thing many folks do when they buy a Ruger MK i/ii/iii/iv is upgrade the sear to get a target grade trigger pull. Many go all out and replace the entire trigger train. (Trigger,Plunger, spring, dis-connector, hammer, mag disconnect bushing, sear..) Some do there own. Many pay others to install the parts. Now Ruger is saying they won't return those parts if sent in. It's up to the owners to make them stock before returning.
I suspect there will be ALLOT of MK IVs that never go back because of this position.
I'll believe that. If you are the owner of an affected Mk IV and aware of the problem, there's not really much reason to send it back if you have it all tricked out with a Volquartsen sear, etc.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:40 PM
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I'll believe that. If you are the owner of an affected Mk IV and aware of the problem, there's not really much reason to send it back if you have it all tricked out with a Volquartsen sear, etc.
That's my situation (X2). I've emailed them to see if they would provide the parts to the user. Otherwise it's going to be a while before I get the gumption to strip the guns, rebuild to factory spec, send them in and then restrip and rebuild them on return.

I feel for the new MK IV owners that would have to pay somebody to do all that!
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:45 PM
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I'd be very surprised if they honor your request, as it puts them in a bad product liability situation and sets a precedent. Am sure the Ruger attorneys would never allow it.
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I'd be very surprised if they honor your request, as it puts them in a bad product liability situation and sets a precedent. Am sure the Ruger attorneys would never allow it.
I tend to agree. That said, their attorneys can chose between a recalled gun that MIGHT get retrofitted and one that surely doesn't.
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Bought m M&P 22 Compact a few months back. Decided on it over the Mark IV 22/45. I dodged this sad bullet for Mark IV owners.
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This is why I kept my Mark II Government.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:50 PM
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Just another of the hidden costs of buying a gun that needs a trigger job instead of buying one that has a decent trigger in the first place.
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That's my situation (X2). it's going to be a while before I get the gumption to strip the guns, rebuild to factory spec, send them in and then restrip and rebuild them on return.

I feel for the new MK IV owners that would have to pay somebody to do all that!

Why would you put it back together? Just take out your new parts and send the OEM parts back in a bag with the gun.


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This is why I kept my Mark II Government.
I have been told that Ruger no longer services the mkII's at all. Still I'm glad I have mine. I never met a mkII I didn't like.

My favorite with it's little 4 inch bull barrel puts a smile on my face everytime.
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This is going to get ugly. The first thing many folks do when they buy a Ruger MK i/ii/iii/iv is upgrade the sear to get a target grade trigger pull. Many go all out and replace the entire trigger train. (Trigger,Plunger, spring, dis-connector, hammer, mag disconnect bushing, sear..) Some do there own. Many pay others to install the parts. Now Ruger is saying they won't return those parts if sent in. It's up to the owners to make the frames stock before returning.
I suspect there will be ALLOT of MK IVs that never go back because of this position.

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Look at it from Ruger's point of view.... Firstly, by installing those parts you have instantly voided your warranty (we've all done it - but them's the facts) - secondly, Ruger is going to rework it and send it back as a factory-fresh unit, so they would have to stand behind it all over again. With non-factory parts, that just isn't going to happen. I'm with Ruger on this one.
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I logged on and registered mine for the recall. We shall see how it goes.
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Didn't they do the same thing with the transfer bar safety on the Blackhawks and Single Sixes?? Anything being sent back for any reason got "upgraded" whether the owner wanted it or not.
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I am struggling to see a major downside to this - unless a person only has one .22 auto - and they shoot that one auto frequently. I've got the blued version and like it quite a bit - well-made and 100% reliable. But, I like the trigger on my M&P Compact better. I just pulled it out and tried to make it fire as described on Ruger's webpage. Granted, I didn't try to damage it - but mine won't fire with the safety half-way on and off, nor fire when it's put into Fire after trying. I'll still send it off - no cost to me and a free magazine. Time to fire the 622 or Buckmark this weekend ...
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Ruger seems to have this problem a lot. The last two autos I bought from Ruger both had to go back for a problem. This was a few years ago and I do not remember just which guns they were. But turn around was quick and I got a free hat and maybe a mag I don't remember for sure.
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I figure if there is a possibility of an NG and I didn't send it in for the recall update and I have an ND then I have only one person to blame. It is a little to late IMO then because I can't go back in time. IMO it is wrong not to take care of something you have been warned about and offered free resolve of the possible problem happening.

I have enough 22 handguns and this MKIV isn't carried as a SD gun then it's no big deal sending it back. Especially when Ruger is paying for all shipping and even throwing in a new magazine with the updated return.

People slam Ruger for no written warranty but I challenge anyone to show me another gun maker that has the customer service that Ruger has. A one week turn around time and with prepaid freight by Ruger for warranty repairs is quite an excellent service. Ruger stands behind their products with great customer service.
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Plus one on Rugers service. I have always found it to be outstanding
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I can see not wanting to pull the after market parts out before sending it back and deciding not to do the recall,but what happens down the road and the gun is sold to someone who doesn't know about the flaw?
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I haven't looked at a Mark IV very close so what is the difference in the safety compared to the previous version of the pistol? I would think that internally it would be same.
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Now if I had thought a bit before typing in anger, I might have thought of that :-)
Good input!

p.s. I still have 3 other MK II's and a couple of neutered MK III 22/45's so the down time doesn't bother me. It's just the BS of the whole lawyer driven process.
FWIW, I've already tested both of my MK IV's and neither suffers from the problem described.
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Didn't they do the same thing with the transfer bar safety on the Blackhawks and Single Sixes?? Anything being sent back for any reason got "upgraded" whether the owner wanted it or not.
If you send an old model SA (3 screw) back for work, they will convert it to the modern lock work without asking. But, they also return the old parts so you can convert it back if you want. Good deal all around, as come time to sell the gun, many folks like the new type lock work that allows the gun to be safely carried with all 6 chambers loaded. It is easy to change these parts back and forth in these revolvers.

I think Rugers response is right on the money with the semi-auto issue. Many manufacturers would simply refuse to warranty a firearm that has been modified, period. At least Ruger will still stand by it. They may see the return of the non factory parts as a potential liability issue. Maybe by returning them to the owner, they feel they are defacto condoning their use?

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So Ruger has/ is retrofitting all those models. Must be in the thousands.
Their bottom line at yrs end will take a considerable hit. Not good. Labor costs are not insignificant. I was considering buying a Ruger Mark IV...not so much anymore. I liked the easy takedown feature but I'll stick with my Browning Buckmark Camper. No safety issues there, really well made, and it's a tack driver.

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"I liked the easy takedown feature but I'll stick with my Browning Buckmark Camper."

The simplified disassembly of the MkIV is a worthwhile improvement, but then if you know how to strip the earlier versions, it's fairly simple and quick, no big deal after you have done it a few times. The main trick is to not attempt disassembly and reassembly if the hammer is cocked.
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"I liked the easy takedown feature but I'll stick with my Browning Buckmark Camper."

The simplified disassembly of the MkIV is a worthwhile improvement, but then if you know how to strip the earlier versions, it's fairly simple and quick, no big deal after you have done it a few times. The main trick is to not attempt disassembly and reassembly if the hammer is cocked.
Yes it's a worthwhile improvement, but not nearly enough for me to trash the Buckmark.
And I agree, after several takedowns with just about any gun, it almost becomes second nature.

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This has been a hot topic on the Ruger forum for a couple of weeks.

I recently acquired a Mk4 Target and like many others, I have installed the Volquartsen triger, hammer sear, et al. That upgrade makes the gun much better than it came from the factory, and so far there have been no reports of safety operation-related misfire events with such modified guns. My Mk4 does not exhibit the defect after the VQ components were installed.

Regardless of my inability to duplicate the defect, I will strip out my Volquartsen parts and ship back to them my vacant lower assembly along with a baggie of the original Ruger trigger parts. Upon its return I will re-install the VQ parts and I will save the upgraded Ruger parts for some future owner of my gun that may not be aware of the safety defect and for reasons unknown at that time may want to return the Mk4 to its original configuration. I think that's the responsible thing to do. And besides, it'll get me another magazine.

Hopefully the VQ parts will be compatible with the upgraded safety lever(s). Consensus from the RF are that the original sear and disconnect lever are main culprits, which will soon be replaced (on mine) with the VQ parts that I'll removed prior to the MK4's return. With the powers vested in me by Youtube, installing the VQ trigger assembly is well within my mechanical abilities.

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I can see not wanting to pull the after market parts out before sending it back and deciding not to do the recall,but what happens down the road and the gun is sold to someone who doesn't know about the flaw?
The gun will explode and they will perish.

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Wondering if any private owners here have been instructed to ship their MK iv's yet.
The shop I work in just got the green light to ship their unsold inventory back. Not sure if they are focusing on the unsold inventory first or if that's the way it's falling out. As it's told, Ruger had/has a shortage of parts for the retrofit early on.
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Wondering if any private owners here have been instructed to ship their MK iv's yet.
The shop I work in just got the green light to ship their unsold inventory back. Not sure if they are focusing on the unsold inventory first or if that's the way it's falling out. As it's told, Ruger had/has a shortage of parts for the retrofit early on.
I got a call from Ruger to ask about my address, as I used my office address for another issue a few years ago (sending a rifle, adult sig required, etc.), so they must be getting close to at least printing labels.

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I logged on and registered mine for the recall. We shall see how it goes.
At registration +9 days I've gotten back acknowledgement that I am in the queue, but no shipping info as of today (21st).
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My alternatives and solutions for the Ruger Mark IV trials, tribulations, issues, etc........
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Between the recall and the horrible factory triggers on the Mk IV, it is turning into a horrible failure for the company.

Good think I still have my Standard.
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If they handle like they did the original LCP recall, not sending you a mailing label until they were ready to do the work, it was very quick, about 7-10 days turn around (inc. mail time).
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Between the recall and the horrible factory triggers on the Mk IV, it is turning into a horrible failure for the company.

Good think I still have my Standard.
Not fussed about the recall, it is what it is... I kinda like the trigger, too. (No, not TRYING to be difficult, just born that way) It has a very predictable creep, then a slight extra pressure for the break. The weight on mine is about 2.5 lbs at break.
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Ruger is expending significant resources/ time/ labor with the Mark IV recall. Will this cause them to miss out on current sales?
Will Sturm, Ruger Miss Out on a Gun Sale Boom? -- The Motley Fool
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I have an email notification that my shipping kit is on the way.
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BTW, we happened to get a factory repaired MKIV back today. It had been in for another QA issue and came back with the "fix". This is the first I've seen of a retrofitted gun returned. The safety feels more positive and the trigger seems about the same.
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What markings are they putting on the firearm to show it has been thru recall?
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I still have my old Mark1 which I have had for well over 40 years. Fired lots of rounds through it---probably well over 250,000, and it still is accurate and smooth as butter. It is simple, uncomplicated and damn reliable. It is second only to my 17-1. I would not trade it for a Mark11, Mark111 or Mark1V.
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Plus one on Rugers service. I have always found it to be outstanding
Try Hi Points service Better than Ruger.
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What markings are they putting on the firearm to show it has been thru recall?
The white "Safe" marker will have an "S" on it.
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Dead in is right on the old 3 screw revolver transfer bar safety recall.
Arjay is right on about the next owner not knowing.

Around 1960 a fella was practicing the fast draw with a Ruger single 6. He shot his foot and threw the Ruger over a rocky Missouri ridge putting a small bend in the trigger guard. He sold it to Dad to pay his ER bill.

He had done a Bubba trigger job on it. The pull was measured in ounces not pounds. Dangerous. Dad wouldn't get it fixed because he believed it enhanced accuracy.

The last time Dad and I went fishing on the RI er I took the Ruger. The trigger pull was down to nothing. When I inherited it the first thing I did was send it in for the transfer bar recall. They sent the original parts back. I've since thrown them away.

It is still accurate even with the lawyer heavier trigge pull. I feel safer. Most companies today void the warranty if one changes out specific parts. I've owned quite a few Ruger autos over the years and liked them but none ever made me want to keep it.

If it was me I'd take the non factory parts out and get it fixed.

The lawyers and Ruger desire to put out an excellent product should be applauded.

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Process update - my MKIV was received by Ruger on 5 July. I have no further news as of today, 16 July.
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That's a great idea - buy a Hi-Point instead of a Ruger ...

My Mk IV frame came back this past THU. It was there over the 4th of July weekend so it took 16 days. It returned with zero marks, scratches or dings; I had been wrongly concerned about how Ruger would handle it. I haven't had a chance to fire it since new - so now I'll have an extra mag when I do take it out to shoot it. That said, the trigger pull sucks compared to my Mk II stainless.
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That's a great idea - buy a Hi-Point instead of a Ruger ...

My Mk IV frame came back this past THU. It was there over the 4th of July weekend so it took 16 days. It returned with zero marks, scratches or dings; I had been wrongly concerned about how Ruger would handle it. I haven't had a chance to fire it since new - so now I'll have an extra mag when I do take it out to shoot it. That said, the trigger pull sucks compared to my Mk II stainless.
I've had Ruger Std, MK1, II,III, and IV's. The MK IV's seem to consistently have the worst factory triggers of any of them. They seem to also be the most difficult to get consistently "good" triggers with as well. The MK IV's ( at least the two I've worked on) needed almost every part in the trigger train replaced to function properly with a sub 3# trigger. All the other series I've owned/worked on could be fixed nicely with just a replacement sear .

Still, my advice is to bite the bullet and get the aftermarket parts and do it. It will be the difference between a gun you love and one you didn't own long enough to hate.
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I sent my MKIV to Ruger end of June just before the holiday and I got it back today ready to go. I put the barrel back on it and shot two mags full knocking 3" medicine bottles all around from 10 yards away. Got the gun recall taken care of and another magazine for free. Ruger even paid extra to return it 2nd day delivery. Show me any other gun manufacturer with that kind of customer service for a recall.

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