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Anybody see one yet? These bring back memories for me and outside of the limited edition and over $2K price I wouldn't mind having one if I could scrape up the money. They were supposed to be released early 2017. Exact reproduction only semi auto, complete with original markings. Looks to me like the only difference between these "M16A1" and the original is semi-auto and the early M16's didn't have a chrome lined barrel thanks to the wiz-kids.

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Anybody see one yet? These bring back memories for me and outside of the limited edition and over $2K price I wouldn't mind having one if I could scrape up the money. They were supposed to be released early 2017. Exact reproduction only semi auto, complete with original markings. Looks to me like the only difference between these "M16A1" and the original is semi-auto and the early M16's didn't have a chrome lined barrel thanks to the wiz-kids.

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My problem with the description is that they say that the flash hider is the "correct" type for a M16A1, not true, the A1 had the "Birdcage" flash hider, the 3 pronged flash hider was on the M16 (the original one) it was changed because the 3 pronger got snagged when going through heavy underbrush. I liked the triangular forearms, but couldn't get those on the CAR 15 that I carried.
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"it was changed because the 3 pronger got snagged when going through heavy underbrush."

Also used (and damaged) by use of the 3-prongs as makeshift wirecutters. Some M16s were retrofitted with the birdcage flash hider, but I think no M16A1s had the 3-prong type.

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The one I was issued straight from the box in 1967 had a bird cage.
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I see little difference between it and the SP-1 civilian model, except for markings. Am I correct?
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I have very little interest in AR-style rifles, even though I have fired hundreds of them. And especially not at that price. I don't even own an AR, probably never will.
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Say hello to my little friends. The carbine is a Colt 653 clone I
put together. All Colt except the lower A1 receiver and carbine
stock. The barrel is a Colt 1X7 A2 barrel that I converted to A1.
The middle AR-15 is an all original 1966 Colt SP1 with a 4 digit
serial number. The last AR-15 is a late 70's Colt M16A1 clone
or "retro" rifle I put together. All Colt except for the NoDak
Spud A1 lower.

These rifles are light and fun to shoot. Lots of interest when I
take them to the range. The surplus parts used to make these
retro rifles are drying up and the prices for the parts reflect this.
Lots of SP1's being parted out and sold for parts. The early
SP1's are getting scarce and expensive.

I've read on some of the AR-15 forums that the Colt M16A1
tribute rifle will be built by a third party, not Colt. As such lots
of people are questioning the high price for this rifle.
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I see little difference between it and the SP-1 civilian model, except for markings. Am I correct?
There are a few differences between the SP1 and the M16A1, The front take down pin on the SP1 is a large pin with a slotted screw head where the M16's had the small push pin like todays AR15's.
Also while the earliest M16's had no forward assist or fenced mag release the M16A1 did, The SP1 is more of a copy of the earliest M16 and had no mag fence or FA.
There are some transitional green label AR15's out there, box was marked R6500, receiver was marked Colt AR-15 A2 Govt Model or Sporter II with A2 pistol grip and buttstock assembly, the earliest uppers are the older M16A1 style with FA and no brass deflector, older windage site wheel, heavy profile A2 barrel with 1/7 twist, A2 birdcage and A2 handguard and new style delta ring.

Early run marked as SPORTER II with M16A1 style upper and SP1 lower:


Later run Marked A2 Govt Model with A2 style upper and SP1 lower (notice area just aft of the rear take down pin is old style M16a1 on both)


Late Govt models have the new A2 rear site, later ones have the bayonet lug milled off as the Clinton gun ban was on the horizon... Interestingly the lowers on these guns are marked A2 but are actually SP1 lowers with non fenced mag release, large front hinge hole with slotted screw head pin .





Besides the fenced mag release the most notable difference between A1 and A2 lowers is that A2 lowers are reinforced just above the rear take down pin , Basically finding a Colt marked A1 lower with the fenced mag release made before the A2 reinforcement is the hardest part, IIRC the only source for those is buying a stripped Nodak Spud lower then having it finished to match your upper and marked by an engraver to replicate the M16.

I was on the fence about building one from an X USGI M16 upper (Cheaper than dirt was selling these several years ago for $350) they now sell for around $550 to $600 but by the time you scrounge up all the other parts you will be in over $1000 for an authentic looking parts gun copy, there are a couple manufacturers now making A1 copies but they are few and far between,
The DPMS lite 20 is a mixture of A1 and A2 parts with the old style rear site but has a brass deflector so is actually a copy of the Canadian C1, (below)


the other is the Olympic Plinker plus 20 which is a mixed bag of A1 and A2 , basically an A1 upper mated to an A2 lower below, ( BTW I havent seen a right side view yet)


IMO $2400 is way too much for a retro M16A1 when new Colt A4 flat tops are around $1000 and a much improved design, perhaps since sales are so sluggish Colt will stop being so greedy and make a run priced in the $1000 range once interest peeters out.

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Another strike-out by Colt IMO. They've been so off the mark for years trying to reinvent the same thing and then sell them for an astronomical price. IIRC a few years ago at SHOT show it was the 1903 Colt reissue and each was well over $1k- cool gun, not inexpensive to mfg, only mfg 1k or so...then they wonder why they go bankrupt every 2-3 years.

I like the retro ARs and have built a few myself, but $2400 for a repro Colt? I won't be scrambling for one. YMMV.
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Another strike-out by Colt IMO. They've been so off the mark for years trying to reinvent the same thing and then sell them for an astronomical price. IIRC a few years ago at SHOT show it was the 1903 Colt reissue and each was well over $1k- cool gun, not inexpensive to mfg, only mfg 1k or so...then they wonder why they go bankrupt every 2-3 years.

I like the retro ARs and have built a few myself, but $2400 for a repro Colt? I won't be scrambling for one. YMMV.
Not being an expert on the Armalite/Colt history, I can't comment in detail, but I agree with the basic sentiment of the post. I find certain aspects of both the civilian and military models attractive, but in the end, I bought one of the two best AK-47 descendants, a .223 Galil. The quoted poster obviously knows what the other one is.

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Another strike-out by Colt IMO. They've been so off the mark for years trying to reinvent the same thing and then sell them for an astronomical price. IIRC a few years ago at SHOT show it was the 1903 Colt reissue and each was well over $1k- cool gun, not inexpensive to mfg, only mfg 1k or so...then they wonder why they go bankrupt every 2-3 years.

I like the retro ARs and have built a few myself, but $2400 for a repro Colt? I won't be scrambling for one. YMMV.


Agreed..............................
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I bet they sell every single one they make.
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I'm not into para military and AR type rifles. When news of this
retro came out, I thought I would buy one just for old time sake.
As usual Colts bussiness plan sucks, pricing this rifle at $2K+.
There are a lot of us Vietnam vets that would by one of these
as a reminder of the day. Not at that kind of price. Do the suits
at Colt realize how many Army & Marines were involved in the
Vietnam War? This rifle will take no more to produce than the
other models. They would rather sell a few thousand at gouged
prices that thousands at a reasonable price. Given that this model
has targeted Vietnam Vets , I take it as a deliberate sales plan
to gouge Vetrans.
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Just got finished as Churchill once said
"When going through Hell keep going" The Big C... so yes I bought one should be here next week. you can always get the cash. But second life and a nice Colt not so much..RON K.
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I donít think colt makes em. In any case, itís a limited edition. I doubt anybody had the intent to gouge veterans.
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Would love to have one but not at those prices! Just like everything else Colt......Overpriced!
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Junk is junk, even when re-issued. Killed a lot of good men. No thanks!
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The problem was never the rifle
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All I can say it that the M16A1's at Camp Lejeune had the birdcage flash suppressor. When I reported to 2nd Battalion, 12th Marines in June of 1980, all their M16A1's had the 3 prong flash suppressor. Go figure.
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I don’t think colt makes em. In any case, it’s a limited edition. I doubt anybody had the intent to gouge veterans.
I see nothing to indicate they aren't made by Colt so not sure what you're basing your comment on. How do you "gouge" someone on a voluntary purchase? No one has to buy one, Vietnam era veteran or not. I realize you weren't the member who first brought up the topic of gouging veterans, I'm just saying.
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I see nothing to indicate they aren't made by Colt so not sure what you're basing your comment on. How do you "gouge" someone on a voluntary purchase? No one has to buy one, Vietnam era veteran or not. I realize you weren't the member who first brought up the topic of gouging veterans, I'm just saying.
US Ordnance is manufacturing these under liscense for Colt.
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Interesting. I just saw where it listed Colt as the manufacturer. I guess since it's a clone so to speak it really doesn't matter if Colt makes it or not. I'd kinda like one but it's not a need.
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I wouldn't mind having one also. But I'd be inclined to spend that money on old sp1's
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I kinda remember an ad in Shotgun News maybe 20 years ago where Century Arms was selling AR's that were made on parts kits they got from someplace. They were essentially the same thing as these retros at least as far as appearance. I wanna say the were selling for around $600. Probably can't hardly find a parts kit for that price now.
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M16 parts kits are over 700 bucks now.
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Another Zombie thread rises. :-)

I'd be more interested in a Troy carbine: TROY XM177E2 | MyServiceRifle.com More fun and cheaper.

Colt lists these as out of stock but they are on GB.
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Well had the TROY SON TAY RAID MODEL.And just sold three original SP'1 for $7,500.00 At SAR show last year. So getting this at 2500 was a doable hit. Knew Stoner,Sullivan And Dorchester back in the late 70's. So DON'T need new schooling on history or how they all work,OR Variation, Six year Corps with many models helped also.I can write volumes. Why bother.I bought one, just like when I had the Harrington and Richardson models and Hydra /Matics. And Original AR-10'S I sold to Reed Knight.

It was just nice to see Colt try and do something. Stumble and fail and fall and get back up again to try again....I know the true value, And I don't care. Just something nice to remember the old days.OF HIGH ADVENTURE.

And it is true in life 90% of the people you meet will never do what you can or have done in life.

Just think how boring it would be if we all had the same stuff.
Brownells also makes a nice repro shooter. This has a been a fun post. and glad to be back.RON K.
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Hardware small world sold a 65 minty new all original at the SAR show Along with a new in box TROY they lasted one hour on the table, and a 73 and a 80 model later on.Nice rifle and Original Edgewater buffer there.

Most had them long swapped out by today.
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Ordered this pair also. FN one of 200 special ed.>Long sold out from FN LAST YEAR. I better end it now or the flack will get high of comments about these. ha ha.
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Because of career fields I carried a pistol more than an M16 and was in the rear with the gear not on the tip of the spear.
I like a good AR but if it's not a flat top I don't even think about it.
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Have a flat top and canít even look at it. Itís under some dust in the closet I think
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The problem was never the rifle
I don't know what wherewithal you have to say that but what do you think the problem was?
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I don't know what wherewithal you have to say that but what do you think the problem was?

Wrong ammo powder
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I don't know what wherewithal you have to say that but what do you think the problem was?
The ammunition. The problem was well documented. The ordnance dept. switched from the IMR powder that the rifle was designed around to a ball type propellant which caused a host of problems.

On paper they met the same specs, but ball burns at a vastly different rate and changed the timing of the opening of the bolt
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My kid enjoying her XM177 clone
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All good info here and good pics, And when people complain about price, if they built one what would they sell for?Colt of course has to make money to pay the employees that 25 to 30 buck a hour wage,

they are not just slapping parts laying around and ten buck a hour workers.And they don't have some hidden warehouse of new fifty year old new parts laying around. And even the stuff we left behind in Nam has been tossed around the world and beat to ****.Over 25 years ago had the chance to check some of it out.And most was shot and worn at that time.

Even cases of new in crate was no longer new in crate tested trained on and 50% anodized finish left.It was great Colt did this now.And in twenty years they will probably do the Afghan /Iraq commemorative M-4 for those vets. Who will be hitting way over age 50.

Sure these are not for everybody and that's because everybody won't get or have one.I am not like everybody else. And neither is this rifle for everybody. It will have its own following. When I sold those last three the new buyers were very happy to get them. And had no problem with the $2,500 tag. Just like when a guy gets his TROY or Brownells. or builds his own.

If happy nothing else matters. On a personal point pull out of 4 hour BIG C surgery being told 50% might not make it. And wake up. and you are happy. Get one of these and be happy again.

Heck they can even buy a low cost S&W AR-15. it won't be a Pony.
But they can still blast away. RON K.

P.S. As one said another Zombie post brought up again. Well the controversy never ended.

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A friend in town who I talked to today said he has a new in box transferable n.i.b. Colt M16A1 if I want {which is a exact match to the new Colt offering in Semi. }that he bought back in the 80's.

If I wanted just come over with $25 grand cash.Nice thought. but was easier to cut the check for $2,500.00, and have another $22,500.00 left over for other guns.

he only wants to sell it to make the huge profit now.It only cost him around $2,500.00 at the time. but it has sat in the box unfired for over 30 years.

My first full auto 16 cost me around $895.00 when dealers were allowed to buy direct from Colt two samples.back in the late 70's..
> $895 1979 TODAY ABOUT $3200
because of Paper no longer allowed anymore May 19,1986 Jammed Freedom forever.
Or we could still buy these from Colt today like the retro models for around the same price.The nice History that would have been.

now still get to do it on the cheap. $2,500.00 wise move $25,000 today not so much.. RON K.
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Had a generic Colt SP-1 "CAR-15" about 30 years ago, not quite sure what exact model number it was. Personal work gun. Fixed carry handle, slick side, birdcage, screw pivot pin up front, aluminum 2 position buttstock. Decent little rifle, irons only. Came the day that I didn't think I needed an AR anymore, so sold it off.

Fast forward about 15 years, and having an AR around sounded good again. Except this time around I was past iron sights; thank God for a plethora of good optics. There's and endless array of accessories, some of which are actually useful, and I really appreciate the light weight and handiness of the current carbines. We've come a long way.

A retro AR would be nice; the Brownells' are decent looking and all, but again we're looking at an optic. Which the rifle I was issued definitely did NOT have.

But I did have hair, so there's that.
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Modern ar carbines feel like a boat anchor next to an original car-15
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I put together an M16A1 semiauto clone back in 1969, when the M16A1 was the newest standard issue. It utilizes a 1967-vintage Colt AR-15 SP1 semiautomatic lower, an M16A1 butt-stock and a 1969-vintage Colt M16A1 upper. It's a darn accurate gun, too.

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John that is real nice every American should at least own one. Even if a guy likes Mini -14's or bolt action..it will be the Militia Freedom Rifle.

Or when shooting at bad guys the M.F. Rifle...
Most have had them and gone back again and again. Like the first girlfriend.. You always go back for that Memory.. And that first shot with the M-16 or AR Rifle. RON K.
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The ammunition. The problem was well documented. The ordnance dept. switched from the IMR powder that the rifle was designed around to a ball type propellant which caused a host of problems.

On paper they met the same specs, but ball burns at a vastly different rate and changed the timing of the opening of the bolt

An intensive Congressional investigation at the time found it to be a maintenances problem, which was bull****.

No doubt the powder was a problem but there have been many internal changes to the weapon which contributed to making it somewhat better.

For me they will always be untrustworthy junk. Right or wrong I will never believe anything else.
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Suit yourself. The weapon is still in service 50 years later. I find it reliable. Every military weapon undergoes modifications after real world use.
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I'd like to have one for the nostalgia factor but I've got two AR's I'm not shooting now. Can't see paying that much for a third one.
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My problem with the description is that they say that the flash hider is the "correct" type for a M16A1, not true, the A1 had the "Birdcage" flash hider, the 3 pronged flash hider was on the M16 (the original one) it was changed because the 3 pronger got snagged when going through heavy underbrush. I liked the triangular forearms, but couldn't get those on the CAR 15 that I carried.
I'm a big fan of triangular handguards on the M16 and M16A1, and when I found a set for a 16" carbine I snapped them up. They work great with a short entry stock:

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I was issued the M16A1 during my military service and I have to admit I despised it when I first saw it. I was raised among WWII father and uncles who were all M1 and/or M14 fans and regarded the M16 as a "poodle shooter".

However, it grew on me in the military as it was accurate and effective on people sized targets out to 350m. Reliability varied a lot. I was issued 3 in OCS alone, just because one had apparently bene used to open a crate and no longer had enough windage to bring the weapon to zero. The second would not eject reliably. But, once they figured out I could shoot (and shoot really well) they issued me a "good" one and it was incredibly reliable - I don't recall ever having a malfunction with it that was not dirt induced.

If you were crawling through sand, etc with it, even with the dust cover closed the first thing you'd want to do with it was pop the rear pin, pull out the bolt carrier and wipe off any crud and wipe or blow any sand, etc out of the upper receiver. Then it was good to go.

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About 12-15 years ago, I built semi-auto M16 and M16A1 clones using NDS lowers (back when they were in stock and did not have an 8-9 month wait) using an SP1 upper and an M16 A1 upper, both of which were being sold as surplus by the department when they switched to M4 uppers that were much more patrol car friendly.

Both of them will produce 1.5 MOA 5 shot groups with quality M193 ammo.



IMHO, this is a much more cost effective way to come up with an M16A1 clone, but unlike 12-15 years ago, correct parts are a lot harder to find.

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That TOO EXPENSIVE repo looks just like my old SP-1.
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