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I was in a LGS this P.M. and observed a Model 1911 .45acp with a $349.00 tag. I inquired what manufacture this weapon was and was told "Tisas".
The sales person insisted on taking it out of the display case and showing to me. Without working the slide and closely examining it, it appeared to be a solid built weapon. It looked new, but I was informed it was used.
I did observed "Made In Turkey" stamped on it.
Anyone used one of these ? Opinions?
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Meh. If you're going to occasionally take it to the range they're no better or worse than any other 1911. If it's going to be something you rely on I'd skip it
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Meh. If you're going to occasionally take it to the range they're no better or worse than any other 1911. If it's going to be something you rely on I'd skip it
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Spoken like true 1911 skeptic.
In my experience, guns from Turkey are nicely made. Their factories are recently built and use some of the newest CNC gear there is.
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Never owned a Turkish gun of any kind, but have handled some. They seem very well made. I have also read that their manufacturing facilities are very modern and efficient. I wouldn't be afraid to buy one, at least as a starter .45. Might well be all you ever need.
I once had a Llama .45 heavy frame, pretty much a M1911 knockoff. Many people describe them as being one step above a "Saturday Night Special" but the one I had was a really fine and well-finished pistol, except that very few of its parts were interchangeable with the Colt and Colt clones that everyone else made. It would accept and function with the standard .45 7-round magazines, but those fit a little sloppy in the Llama magazine well. But I had a couple of extra Llama magazines, so that was not a problem for me.
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Hadn't heard of the brand so did an online search, for what that is worth.
It seems to have been on the U.S. market for about 3-4 years. Reports of spotty quality control and reliability, but you know how bad examples of guns get the nasty reviews while the satisfied users say nothing. If you are tempted, it would be a good idea to thoroughly examine it before buying, and perhaps see if the store will take it back if it doesn't function.
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Spoken like true 1911 skeptic.
In my experience, guns from Turkey are nicely made. Their factories are recently built and use some of the newest CNC gear there is.
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Probably more like just a skeptic!
Until it's been proven in use I don't buy regardless of how nice the machines and buildings are. That goes for any gun. I just can't see spending hundreds of dollars on something untested. If it was $50....ok maybe but not when it's over a $100. Not willing to take that risk
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I had one. It worked just fine. I sold it when something else caught my eye. I didn't have any trouble selling it and got the same thing for it I paid for it.
I'd buy another one.
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My good friend has one and loves it. Sold his Kimber. I've handled and shot it briefly. Seemed OK to me.
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I had one a few years ago. I sold it to fund another gun. I actually regret selling it. Aside from the GI sights, it wasn't a bad gun. I actually liked it better than my RIA GI 1911 in 9mm.
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Meh. If you're going to occasionally take it to the range they're no better or worse than any other 1911. If it's going to be something you rely on I'd skip it
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Usually you have well reasoned arguments expressing valid points to consider.....take that as a compliment..This time you are just way off mark on this one. Any of the current crop of foreign made 1911's are perfectly suitable for self defense,as are all 1911's.The O.P. is an old school Law enforcement officer,along with being an old school avid shooter.And to correctly answer his question I will go on record as saying all of these are no frills basic GI specs 1911's.Which will act accordingly.
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Originally Posted by jimmyj
Hi:
I was in a LGS this P.M. and observed a Model 1911 .45acp with a $349.00 tag. I inquired what manufacture this weapon was and was told "Tisas".
The sales person insisted on taking it out of the display case and showing to me. Without working the slide and closely examining it, it appeared to be a solid built weapon. It looked new, but I was informed it was used.
I did observed "Made In Turkey" stamped on it.
Anyone used one of these ? Opinions?
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Price is too high for a used gun. Buds sold a ton of these for anywhere between $300 and $400 NIB assuming this is the standard 1911A1 GI pistol. You can find them NIB on GB for $350.
My buddy had one and I had to give him better mags and tweak the extractor a bit to get is to run. Once that was done he had a decent 1911 GI shooter. If they were willing to take $275-$300 and you really like it it is not a bad gun if you know a little bit about the 1911 platform.
They put out some lemons but for the most part these guns ran.
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Usually you have well reasoned arguments expressing valid points to consider.....take that as a compliment..This time you are just way off mark on this one. Any of the current crop of foreign made 1911's are perfectly suitable for self defense,as are all 1911's.The O.P. is an old school Law enforcement officer,along with being an old school avid shooter.And to correctly answer his question I will go on record as saying all of these are no frills basic GI specs 1911's.Which will act accordingly.
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Thanks but I think your getting me confused with someone else!!!
Seriously though,
I don't see it that way. Not until it's been thoroughly tested. If someone were to use one at matches, maybe military testing. Something like that. This isn't so much a TITAS thing, it's any modern gun thing. If I'm selecting it for carry I want to see a history of reliability from other than the typical range shooting. Excluding old/classic guns this is how I buy my carry guns. Even when a new gun comes out from a known manufacturer. For insurance, CZ just introduced a new gun, the CZ 10c. Looks good but I'll wait till there's been a set standard. A know and documented series of tests to prove/disprove reliability. I'm not willing to be a Beta tester.
On the other hand, if the gun is just for fun at the range...rock on!
Anyone can put one together. However, there are guns that are made to meet a specific purpose and then there are ones that are made to meet a price point. Basic GI guns work and I'm not talking about accessories like beaver tails and night sights. I'm more concerned about properly built, in spec, heat treatment, extractors.....etc.
When I wanted a 1911 I research and read up on them. Excluding all the typical "I shot a 100 rounds and not one hiccup" along with "goes bang every time". I found forums that cater to more serious shooting and came away with Colt or SA TRP. There were others but even used would be out of my price range. I found a great write-up on a TRP that has over 120k rounds in 5 years. All problems if any, along with all maintenance was documented. Each time something was changed the round count was documented. This along with other articles and write-ups I came away with Colt or TRP for my budget. Not wanting to spend $1500 on a new gun I waited till I found a used and un-boogered TRP for $700.
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Thanks but I think your getting me confused with someone else!!!
Seriously though,
I don't see it that way. Not until it's been thoroughly tested. If someone were to use one at matches, maybe military testing. Something like that. This isn't so much a TITAS thing, it's any modern gun thing. If I'm selecting it for carry I want to see a history of reliability from other than the typical range shooting. Excluding old/classic guns this is how I buy my carry guns. Even when a new gun comes out from a known manufacturer. For insurance, CZ just introduced a new gun, the CZ 10c. Looks good but I'll wait till there's been a set standard. A know and documented series of tests to prove/disprove reliability. I'm not willing to be a Beta tester.
On the other hand, if the gun is just for fun at the range...rock on!
Anyone can put one together. However, there are guns that are made to meet a specific purpose and then there are ones that are made to meet a price point. Basic GI guns work and I'm not talking about accessories like beaver tails and night sights. I'm more concerned about properly built, in spec, heat treatment, extractors.....etc.
When I wanted a 1911 I research and read up on them. Excluding all the typical "I shot a 100 rounds and not one hiccup" along with "goes bang every time". I found forums that cater to more serious shooting and came away with Colt or SA TRP. There were others but even used would be out of my price range. I found a great write-up on a TRP that has over 120k rounds in 5 years. All problems if any, along with all maintenance was documented. This along with other articles and write-ups I came away with Colt or TRP for my budget. Not wanting to spend $1500 on a new gun I waited till I found a used and un-boogered TRP for $700.
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No confusion here
A basic GI spec 1911 has over a century of proven field use.Usually just a mag replacement is all one will need.All of these GI spec 1911's are all following the 1911A1 blue prints.Some might add front serrations,plastic mag plate,or more visible sites.But basically the same following of the design regardless of who makes it.
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At this point, there is probably not a "Bad" clone of the M1911 GI version on the market, and for the typical recreational shooter on a limited budget, they will all be satisfactory. There have always been small problems, even with original Colts.
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I recently bought a new Rock Island Commander 1911 .45 for $344 shipped and paid my FFL 10 bucks to do the transfer. I would probably pick RI over the other 1911 brands in that price range but I recently bought a new Turkish Yildiz side by side, single trigger 20 gauge that is absolutely an awesome gun for under $500.
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Even when a new gun comes out from a known manufacturer. For insurance, CZ just introduced a new gun, the CZ 10c. Looks good but I'll wait till there's been a set standard. A know and documented series of tests to prove/disprove reliability. I'm not willing to be a Beta tester.
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For what Arik means, see just about any test/review on the Remington RP9. It seems to be the polymer equivalent of the dreadful Rogak P-18.
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I recently bought a new Rock Island Commander 1911 .45 for $344 shipped and paid my FFL 10 bucks to do the transfer. I would probably pick RI over the other 1911 brands in that price range but I recently bought a new Turkish Yildiz side by side, single trigger 20 gauge that is absolutely an awesome gun for under $500.
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I would choose a RIA over a Tias as well. I think they tend to run better right out of the box and even with their extruded slides will give most shooters a lifetime of use.
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For what Arik means, see just about any test/review on the Remington RP9. It seems to be the polymer equivalent of the dreadful Rogak P-18.
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I had to look that one up! Interesting pistol
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I was working at an LGS when the Tisa's first came on the market. They are set to occupy a low price point niche in the 'basic 1911' market.
I took the slide off of a couple to look at. Internally, they looked like they'd been made by a blacksmith. Nasty-looking tool marks everywhere.
It's my understanding that they're much better now. I've not heard much bad press on them.
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Google Hickok .45....he did a pretty good test on them and
thought they were very well made.
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