Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:17 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??

I posed this question over on GlockTalk a few years back and am curious to the recollections of members over here (though some are surely members of both)...

For those of us who have been into firearms long enough, what do you remember about the 1994-2004 Crime Bill ban? I'll start-

- $100-125 Glock magazines
-Neutered ARs with collapsible stocks pinned opened and goofy muzzle-brakes
-Folks paying primo prices for pre-94 AR lowers to slap a then-new 6920 upper on them for a "real" Colt M4A3.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:35 PM
ken158 ken158 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: VA
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 332
Liked 952 Times in 502 Posts
Default

Are you looking for something specific? Most of us just want to forget all that nonsense...
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:38 PM
andy52 andy52 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 40
Likes: 36
Liked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Well to start with Clinton lied. He campaigned on no new gun laws.
I made a lot of money because I knew he would. The year before the election I bought as many ARs, H&Ks and various other rifles of that type as I could afford and sold them for considerably more then I paid after the ban.

It did bring on one positive feature to AR family "The Flat top" The carry handle was one of the five things that were limited. If memory serves me rifles could have only three of the following not all. Carry handle, collapsible stock, bayonet lug, muzzle device and pistol grip.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:41 PM
k22fan k22fan is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,024
Likes: 2,772
Liked 2,704 Times in 1,348 Posts
Default

The only Glock magazines that I remember going that high were for the Model 20 10mm. Galil .308 magazines went even higher. On the good side the zillions of Browning High Power magazines around the planet were pre-ban and could be sold as surplus to importers so they remained affordable.

There was an enormous gun buying splurge in anticipation of a worse ban followed by a drastic collapse in gun sales after the ban took effect. Predictably that repeated before and after the last election.

As a consequence of their push for gun control the Democrats were slaughtered in the 1994 mid term election. Predictably that also repeated in the last election. That is the one thing that will convince some of our neighbors that passing more restrictive gun laws in not in their best interest.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:41 PM
Wee Hooker Wee Hooker is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 3,213
Likes: 1,755
Liked 2,045 Times in 862 Posts
Default

I remember it like it was yesterday. Mainly because MASS still has it in effect.
The sad part is that banning a firearm based on a couple of superficial features still makes no sense some 23 years later. Nor has it had an effect on gun violence. Legislators can be notoriously slow learners.
__________________
Dave
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:41 PM
poordevil poordevil is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yuma
Posts: 787
Likes: 169
Liked 420 Times in 253 Posts
Default

Pump action AK47's
__________________
A Snider squibbed n the Jungle
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:44 PM
CajunBass's Avatar
CajunBass CajunBass is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: North Chesterfield, Va.
Posts: 3,897
Likes: 2,573
Liked 5,180 Times in 1,532 Posts
Default

Not much. I was into fishing, not shooting back then. I do remember a woman I worked with who had purchased an HK-94 (semi-auto) for if I remember correctly about $600.00 before the ban, selling it for about $2500.00 after.
__________________
John 3:16 .
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:53 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poordevil View Post
Pump action AK47's
God I'd forgotten about those things.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:00 PM
PALADIN85020's Avatar
PALADIN85020 PALADIN85020 is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Arizona
Posts: 6,372
Likes: 1,098
Liked 18,600 Times in 2,430 Posts
Default

I'm reminded every time I see my pile of 10-round magazines in hi-cap configuration. Those came with new guns designed to take hi-cap magazines. Totally worthless now, but maybe sometime they will be collector items to remind future generations of how stupid our politicians can get at times.

In that era, I remember trying to find pre-ban mags for my H&K Mark 23 - and when I did, how horribly expensive they were.

John
__________________
- Cogito, ergo armatum sum -
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:02 PM
silentflyer silentflyer is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Roanoke, Va
Posts: 1,466
Likes: 953
Liked 801 Times in 451 Posts
Default

"Well to start with Clinton lied" A politician that's not truthful??? No never...
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:03 PM
andy52 andy52 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 40
Likes: 36
Liked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunBass View Post
Not much. I was into fishing, not shooting back then. I do remember a woman I worked with who had purchased an HK-94 (semi-auto) for if I remember correctly about $600.00 before the ban, selling it for about $2500.00 after.
Yes that is about what they went for after the ban. I had bought two 91s and two 93s in that absolutely horrible dessert camo that the factory offered then for just under 600 each and sold them for about the same price you mentioned.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:05 PM
Ashlander's Avatar
Ashlander Ashlander is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ellisville, Missouri
Posts: 1,978
Likes: 3,489
Liked 978 Times in 527 Posts
Default

Think of how many folks bought pistols chambered in 45ACP thinking that if I can have only ten, then let's make them big ones!
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:05 PM
clang444 clang444 is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: IL
Posts: 1,011
Likes: 209
Liked 1,046 Times in 335 Posts
Default

I remember Feinstein saying "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban, picking up every one of them....Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in. I would have done it."

Don't think they won't try it again.
__________________
My sgntr is mor thn 30 chrctrs

Last edited by clang444; 07-17-2017 at 01:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:13 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by andy52 View Post
Yes that is about what they went for after the ban. I had bought two 91s and two 93s in that absolutely horrible dessert camo that the factory offered then for just under 600 each and sold them for about the same price you mentioned.
Factory desert 91s and 93s are rare birds, as are the 91/93s in woodland camo. Towards the end of the ban 94s were well over $3k.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:15 PM
rwt1405's Avatar
rwt1405 rwt1405 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Delaware
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 1,002
Liked 964 Times in 421 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlander View Post
Think of how many folks bought pistols chambered in 45ACP thinking that if I can have only ten, then let's make them big ones!
Not sayin' I bought a G-30 with that thought in mind, not sayin' I didn't.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:28 PM
ParadiseRoad's Avatar
ParadiseRoad ParadiseRoad is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,133
Likes: 5,746
Liked 26,227 Times in 5,567 Posts
Default

...I own several semi-auto rifles that I probably wouldn't have owned without Bubba's superb salesmanship...
__________________
don't try this at home, kids
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:00 PM
apollo99 apollo99 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 514
Likes: 31
Liked 663 Times in 287 Posts
Default

I do remember the Democrats said they lost a lot of seats due to that ban, most voters don't remember much, but we 2A people do remember the names of the dirtbags that voted for it. It made me move out of NY state, because after the sundown of the bill we found out our turncoat Republican Governor Pataki signed a bill making it forever in NYS.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #18  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:02 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,673
Likes: 2,708
Liked 1,630 Times in 656 Posts
Default

I got my Beretta 92FS just before the ban, with a pair of 15-round mags. I was also able to pick up an extra pair of 15-round mags for about $25 each, IIRC. I went to a gun show after the ban went into effect, and those same 15-round mags were $50+ each, with factory 20-round mags going for about $120 each.

I also remember competing in my one and only shooting competition, a more-or-less informal speed shooting match during the ban, organized by the state's RKBA association. The only requirement was that you had to use a high-capacity pistol and mags. Fun times. Saw a shooting demonstration with a guy using an AK47 to obliterate some watermelons and there were attempts to use a bowling ball cannon to launch a bowling ball over a large hill. FYI, they were successful.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:03 PM
Alpo's Avatar
Alpo Alpo is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: N/W Florida
Posts: 4,677
Likes: 1,354
Liked 3,983 Times in 1,720 Posts
Default

I remember my M1A came without a bayonet lug, because that would have made it an Evil Assault Weapon.

And I remember discovering that a 10-round Beretta 96 mag, for a 40, would fit and feed 9mm in a 92, and it held twelve of them.
__________________
I always take precautions

Last edited by Alpo; 07-17-2017 at 02:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:11 PM
andy52 andy52 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Missouri
Posts: 40
Likes: 36
Liked 27 Times in 16 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmet View Post
Factory desert 91s and 93s are rare birds, as are the 91/93s in woodland camo. Towards the end of the ban 94s were well over $3k.
You're correct but that desert camo was truly ugly, looked like they let a 6 year old loose on it with spray paint.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #21  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:18 PM
Arik Arik is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,956
Likes: 6,548
Liked 14,789 Times in 6,380 Posts
Default

I came in towards the end of the ban. (Turned 21 in 2001). So to me it wasn't a ban but just how things were. I had a handgun with a 10 rd mag, which I thought was a normal thing. Didn't know higher capacity existed. My only "evil" rifle was an AK which was made specific for the ban. It was a Hungarian S2000. Based on the AMD but with a Chote hunting stock and specific small magwell that took proprietary 10rd single stack mags. Made in such a way that it wasn't easy to make it accept common 30rd mags.

Every rifle had a hunting stock most were missing barrel attachment, or threads.

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #22  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:18 PM
nachogrande nachogrande is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gods waiting room
Posts: 603
Likes: 367
Liked 490 Times in 234 Posts
Default BEING REAL BUSY.

Buying lot's of "sporting" arms, hating the new plastic trend, not being into Hi cap "MSR's so it didn't really affect me. Looking back I wish I had bought a BUNCH of vintage S&W's instead of the then new stuff.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #23  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:33 PM
S&WIowegan S&WIowegan is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 2,818
Likes: 6,444
Liked 1,836 Times in 960 Posts
Angry

The impending ban caused me to buy my first AR; which I still have. IIRC I paid a horrendous price of $900. Here we are 23 yrs. later and can buy them for half that. That 1994 bill also taught me that gun people include lots of greedy jerks. I remember Eagle Arms(now known as Armalite) took orders on ARs and just kept raising the price before they ever delivered.

The public opinion was in favor of an anti-gun bill so some senators and congress persons got involved and watered the bill down with loop holes. I was a very active USPSA/IPSC shooter at the time. We soon learned that new hi-cap mags couldn't be bought BUT, we could buy all the "repair parts" for hi-caps we needed. We then were free to assemble them at home.

I also remember the sky high prices of Galils at gun shows but I never saw one sold. I always hoped the sellers choked on them. Same for 22 LR ammo hoarders.
__________________
Bob.
SWCA 1821

Last edited by S&WIowegan; 07-17-2017 at 05:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #24  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:46 PM
357-RevolverGuy's Avatar
357-RevolverGuy 357-RevolverGuy is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: The South
Posts: 1,145
Likes: 727
Liked 1,153 Times in 432 Posts
Default

Really interesting thread question. I am enjoying reading the responses because I was a teenager at the time and didn't get into guns until my 20s. I think those of us who are younger can learn something here, just as one day I'll be able to share my memories of the Obama era (which I'd like to forget) to a generation that did not experience it.
__________________
Ephesians 6 (Armor of God)
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #25  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:50 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,881
Likes: 757
Liked 3,438 Times in 1,582 Posts
Default

At the time I already had a wonderful M1A and, at the time, I was not in the market for an AR or any similar milspec weapon. However, I did buy a number of 20 round magazines for my M1A, I think they were 45 dollars apiece before the ban. The only high capacity pistol I owned was a Ruger P-89. A huge thing!!! A friend of mine wanted it and around the time he wanted it I found a S&W 5903 SSV that I really liked so I sold him the Ruger and bought the S&W. Bought additional hi-cap magazines for it, too.

To this very day that 5903 SSV is still a safe queen, my only unfired weapon.

I will never forget Bill Clinton telling Congress that if they passed "the Brady Bill, I'll sure sign it."
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #26  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:53 PM
sw282's Avatar
sw282 sw282 is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: CSRA
Posts: 1,776
Likes: 206
Liked 1,027 Times in 519 Posts
Default

Didn't bother me. l tote a R E V O L V E R:-)
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #27  
Old 07-17-2017, 02:53 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default

S&WIowegan- I paid $2500 for my Galil ARM (7.62) in 2002 which even back then seemed somewhat reasonable. I was 21 so I didn't experience the $600-800 Galil in the 1980s. They 7.62 ARMs seem to be holding steady around $3500 these days.

I also remember a company was mfg AK underdolders with the stocks pinned open.

Last edited by Valmet; 07-17-2017 at 02:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-17-2017, 03:39 PM
apollo99 apollo99 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 514
Likes: 31
Liked 663 Times in 287 Posts
Default

Bottom line is folks, while there are other anti-gun people out there, the Clinton family; Slick Willie, Corrupt Hillary and their horrible anti-gun off spring, need to go away and go away forever from the American political landscape.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #29  
Old 07-17-2017, 05:01 PM
vonn's Avatar
vonn vonn is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: houston,texas
Posts: 4,805
Likes: 73,411
Liked 16,742 Times in 3,809 Posts
Default

Just glad it is gone,don't like bad memories. Still have a pre ban AR. Was into milsurps back then and never really felt handicapped by them,especially Garands.
__________________
Hue 68 noli me tangere
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-17-2017, 05:19 PM
BARgunner BARgunner is offline
SWCA Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Kennewick, WA
Posts: 225
Likes: 384
Liked 260 Times in 55 Posts
Default

I remember it clearly. At the time, our illustrious new Democratic Senator from the east side of the State, whose campaign promises included no anti 2nd Amendment legislation, caved in to political pressure and voted for the ban.
I talked with him afterwards and told him he would be a one term Senator because of his vote for the ban but that I was sure that his party had promised him they would take care of him in exchange for his vote. His reply was that I just didn't understand.
Sure enough, come reelection time he lost by a landslide. He moved over to the Seattle area and now he is our esteemed Governor! He now believes that WA State should emulate California's gun laws.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 07-17-2017, 05:23 PM
Fishinfool Fishinfool is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Central PA
Posts: 1,994
Likes: 2,237
Liked 3,209 Times in 1,078 Posts
Default

Frankly, what I really remember is how much money I made because of it. Back then I was well into my battle rifle "stage". Had a good friend with an FFL, and I got most anything I wanted at cost. HK 91 & 93, $499 each, an AUG, $600, if I remember right. FAL's, AK's, Valmet 76. Had a pretty good collection.

Kept my favorites, sold the rest in the post ban panic. Felt like a thief with the crazy money people were paying, but nobody was twisting anybody's arm. If I remember right, I got $2500 for the AUG alone.

Larry
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #32  
Old 07-17-2017, 06:11 PM
spdguns's Avatar
spdguns spdguns is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North Central Oklahoma.
Posts: 283
Likes: 6
Liked 287 Times in 93 Posts
Default

Yup, I was there for it. I had a Colt AR that I bought new in 1985 and a friend offered me a ridiculous price for it. I sold it to him then bought it back a few years later. I still have it. A plain Jane A2.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 07-17-2017, 06:29 PM
C J C J is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 551
Likes: 143
Liked 249 Times in 149 Posts
Default

I remember SKS 30 round duckbill mags everywhere it seemed. I bought some in a grocery store. They were selling off their stock while they could. Back then it was all USA brand and they all worked. I owned a bunch of them for a while and I never saw one fail for any reason. Later versions of the same mag were a joke. But those were great back pre-ban. There are still some around for sale or there were the last time I looked. I don't need any and I probably wouldn't even convert an SKS now because stripper clips are just as fast to load ammo. Maybe faster. And you can carry a lot more ammo that way.

7.62 x 39 ammo was still pretty cheap too. I remember stocking up for the future. I still have some of that ammo actually. I still have a lot of it.

An SKS was 1/10th the price of a good AR or less in those days. I would have much rather had an AR but the price was too high relative. Now you can buy an AR cheaper than a good SKS. Go figure. They have all been shot hard and put up dirty. I've seen them where you couldn't even pull the bolt back for the gunk. Probably the result of a love affair with WD-40 I'd guess. I almost never clean my SKS and it still runs perfect after all these years. It's pretty much retired now of course but I see no reason to get rid of it. No one would pay what they're worth IMO. Mine is relatively accurate and as dependable as they come.

Also I remember a lib friend of mine crying because the ban cost the Democrats control of Congress for the first time in a very, very long time. Lots of other things played into that like Hillary Care and the rise of talk radio but mostly it was the gun ban that doomed the Dems. I joined the NRA for the first time around that time. A lot of people did. They let people join for $10 just so your name was on their rolls. I was fighting back from some serious health issues which had hurt my ability to make money big time. So price was important to me on everything at the time. But I managed to buy my share of guns while they could still be bought. I even bought a TEC-9. Talk about a waste of money. They worked OK but it's good they had lots of ammo because you needed it to hit anything.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 07-17-2017, 07:20 PM
hkcavalier hkcavalier is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 914
Likes: 114
Liked 1,100 Times in 360 Posts
Default

I was serving for much of those 10 years in the infantry --- the urge to buy my own guns and ammo just wasn't there. I pretty much got sick of shooting M16A2s and M9s to the point I didn't own an AR or 9mm until 2009 or so.

When I got out I bought a P220. Single stack .45s were a lot more popular then for obvious reasons. I am pretty sure it helped the big revolver market too which has really been stagnant since 2005 or so. It definitely was the age of the SKS. I just laugh when I see them in pawn shops for $450 when you can build a basic M4gery for $400 now.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 07-17-2017, 08:27 PM
BE Mike's Avatar
BE Mike BE Mike is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,753
Likes: 430
Liked 1,005 Times in 454 Posts
Default

Personally, I had little interest in AR-15's until the ban. As soon as the ban was "sundowned" (W said he would sign a bill to extend it), I bought an AR-15 in M-4 configuration. I since bought a .22 LR upper for the same rifle. I didn't know what I had been missing!
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 07-17-2017, 08:56 PM
Penmon's Avatar
Penmon Penmon is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: MD -PA
Posts: 589
Likes: 100
Liked 259 Times in 125 Posts
Default

Thumb hole stocks.
10 round magazines.
No bayo lugs.
Pinned or welded folding stocks.
No holes in muzzle breaks.
Ban on steel core ammo.
__________________
Thank you
Penmon AKA Jim
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #37  
Old 07-17-2017, 09:06 PM
bushmaster1313's Avatar
bushmaster1313 bushmaster1313 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,943
Likes: 424
Liked 6,414 Times in 1,500 Posts
Default

I remember thinking there was no way a thread like this would get to 37 posts before it got locked by the Moderators
__________________
Buy American
Vote Responsibly

Last edited by bushmaster1313; 07-17-2017 at 09:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #38  
Old 07-17-2017, 09:51 PM
clang444 clang444 is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: IL
Posts: 1,011
Likes: 209
Liked 1,046 Times in 335 Posts
Default

I remember the relentless scare tactics the Dems put on the "Soccer Moms" in order to forward their anti-gun agenda, all with the full support of the media.
__________________
My sgntr is mor thn 30 chrctrs
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 07-17-2017, 09:59 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default

Frankly I'm surprised at the negative responses this thread has gotten from a few folks on here...

Last edited by Valmet; 07-17-2017 at 10:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #40  
Old 07-17-2017, 09:59 PM
okiegtrider's Avatar
okiegtrider okiegtrider is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,413
Likes: 1,757
Liked 2,404 Times in 757 Posts
Default

I think this is a relic from that era.
__________________
America First
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #41  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:02 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 647
Likes: 171
Liked 244 Times in 178 Posts
Default

Okie- yes, I have a few of those in my box of Glock mags as well. More .40 than anything as that was the most popular LE caliber.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #42  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:58 PM
Arik Arik is online now
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,956
Likes: 6,548
Liked 14,789 Times in 6,380 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by okiegtrider View Post
I think this is a relic from that era.
Have a bunch of those. My carry gun is a 2003 (ban era) G19 and the mag I'm still using in it is LE restricted

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

Last edited by Arik; 07-17-2017 at 11:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #43  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:22 PM
Nighthawk0083 Nighthawk0083 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 132
Likes: 31
Liked 189 Times in 42 Posts
Default

All I remember from the ban is all the greed and fear at the gun shows I went too. I stopped going because of that. Then it happened again a few years ago. Sad part is nothing changed. No laws just fear and panic lead to the shortages. In the end for most of the sellers politics is second making money is first which makes sense that's capitalism. In reality they make way more when the other side is in charge. Think about it.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #44  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:40 PM
Grayfox's Avatar
Grayfox Grayfox is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Bartlett, Tennessee
Posts: 3,746
Likes: 703
Liked 5,961 Times in 1,842 Posts
Default

At the time, the only "Hi-cap" anything I owned was my Browning Hi-Power. When it looked like the ban really would pass, I called Browning and ordered three more mags. The rep on the phone kinda laughed and said :"Yeah, we're getting a lot of orders for those. It may take a while for you to get them." Three months later I got a very nice apology letter from Browning. They were very sorry, but they ran out of mags before my order was filled.

Just recently while going through my late friend's collection, I was surprised at the large number of 10 round and LEO Only mags he had in storage. But then, he had always preferred Hi-cap pistols for EDC.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:37 AM
retiredbadge8091's Avatar
retiredbadge8091 retiredbadge8091 is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,175
Likes: 2,498
Liked 2,696 Times in 750 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by okiegtrider View Post
I think this is a relic from that era.
I remember buying loads of those Law Enforcement only magazines and a Colt Sporter .223...
__________________
Join the NRA today
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #46  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:59 AM
Frank46 Frank46 is offline
US Veteran
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: New Iberia, Louisiana
Posts: 3,183
Likes: 17,544
Liked 1,642 Times in 938 Posts
Default

During the "ban" about the only cheap ar magazines you could find were the orlites made in Israel. Some kind of polymer with what looks like a metal mesh imbedded in the feed lips. Still have a few and they worked and were cheaper than what the dealers were asking for the aluminum colt type ar magazines. My Beretta 92fs was purchased during the ban and recall $40 for a Beretta 92fs military magazine. bought 2 so I could shoot some steel plate matches back then. When I bought the 92fs it came with two neutered 10 round mags. Frank
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 07-18-2017, 01:07 AM
RedPointGS's Avatar
RedPointGS RedPointGS is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: the Delmarva peninsula
Posts: 32
Likes: 124
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Default It's a funny thing K22fan but ...

... I married a Democrat and I still have a houseful of guns. She believes in the 2nd Amendment strongly and she shot on her collegiate skeet team. The only woman on the team too. She also reloaded her own shells back then.

Nope, she's a dyed in the wool Democrat, but she's not one of those mamby pamby Democrats, she is a mental health counselor however and that's one of the reasons why she is a Democrat. She's always trying to look out for her client's best interests and that means they need health care. Trust me we couldn't be married if she was one of the gun grabber types, LOL!

One thing I have learned from her is that when we disagree about something, politics or whatever, then we just agree to disagree, unlike my ex-wife.

So not all Democrats are gun grabbing nutjobs, just as all Republicans aren't level headed thinkers either. Personally, I'm registered as an Independent these days.

Sooner or later even the gun grabbing types will get the idea that the only people who can't get guns when bad gun laws are passed are the law abiding folks like us on this forum. Lord knows that's the truth.

Just a quick note, if you check out the statistics, people with concealed carry permits are the most law abiding group of people in the US of A. I came across that statistic a few weeks ago and it didn't surprise me one bit, as I'm in that group too, LOL. The next time someone gives you a hard time about carrying a gun you might bring that up.

Thanks for your post K22fan! Be safe practicing our sport.


Quote:
Originally Posted by k22fan View Post
The only Glock magazines that I remember going that high were for the Model 20 10mm. Galil .308 magazines went even higher. On the good side the zillions of Browning High Power magazines around the planet were pre-ban and could be sold as surplus to importers so they remained affordable.

There was an enormous gun buying splurge in anticipation of a worse ban followed by a drastic collapse in gun sales after the ban took effect. Predictably that repeated before and after the last election.

As a consequence of their push for gun control the Democrats were slaughtered in the 1994 mid term election. Predictably that also repeated in the last election. That is the one thing that will convince some of our neighbors that passing more restrictive gun laws in not in their best interest.
__________________
R Phillips
Latebra Factum
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #48  
Old 07-18-2017, 01:21 AM
4T5GUY's Avatar
4T5GUY 4T5GUY is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Oregon Coast
Posts: 149
Likes: 148
Liked 237 Times in 84 Posts
Default

Well, one thing that has not been mentioned, so far, is what happened to all of the F.F.L. holders. Me included. I was a "gunsmith", and was trying to do things right. Log in, log out. I was working out of my home. That was not acceptable. I was treated just like a firearms seller. I dug my feet in for a while, but after too many very threatening letters, I gave up and just sent in by bound book. Even though I explained what I was doing, I was required to show a "store front" sign, and all of the security systems I had. The pictures of my house and my wolf dog was not good enough.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #49  
Old 07-18-2017, 01:56 AM
RedPointGS's Avatar
RedPointGS RedPointGS is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: the Delmarva peninsula
Posts: 32
Likes: 124
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Default Say, Yoda ...

... I had and still have a Ruger P-85. It's still a great gun but, that S&W 5903 SSV, now that's a GREAT GUN!

Nice to have that as a safe queen.

Thanks for your post~





Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
At the time I already had a wonderful M1A and, at the time, I was not in the market for an AR or any similar milspec weapon. However, I did buy a number of 20 round magazines for my M1A, I think they were 45 dollars apiece before the ban. The only high capacity pistol I owned was a Ruger P-89. A huge thing!!! A friend of mine wanted it and around the time he wanted it I found a S&W 5903 SSV that I really liked so I sold him the Ruger and bought the S&W. Bought additional hi-cap magazines for it, too.

To this very day that 5903 SSV is still a safe queen, my only unfired weapon.

I will never forget Bill Clinton telling Congress that if they passed "the Brady Bill, I'll sure sign it."
__________________
R Phillips
Latebra Factum
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 07-18-2017, 02:02 AM
RedPointGS's Avatar
RedPointGS RedPointGS is offline
Member
What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban?? What do you remember about the 1994-04 ban??  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: the Delmarva peninsula
Posts: 32
Likes: 124
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Default Wee Hooker ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Hooker View Post
I remember it like it was yesterday. Mainly because MASS still has it in effect.
The sad part is that banning a firearm based on a couple of superficial features still makes no sense some 23 years later.



Nor has it had an effect on gun violence. Legislators can be notoriously slow learners.
^Now that's a true statement!
__________________
R Phillips
Latebra Factum
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTS Browning Hi-Power 9MM-1994 Mfg SS57 GUNS - For Sale or Trade 1 05-20-2016 10:47 PM
The 1994 Full Auto Ban Irn-Bru The Lounge 9 01-03-2016 11:14 PM
586 from 1994 with blueing issues haris1 S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 7 08-13-2014 09:29 PM
1994 Model 10 devilray31 S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 6 06-28-2014 11:25 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:36 PM.


S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2015
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)