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Old 07-28-2017, 09:53 PM
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Hey guys! Looking for some insight here! So my parents very recently decided to retire and move across country, ever since I was little I remember my dad having a 22 in his closet but I never thought anything of it. Anyways, as I was helping the pack and clean my childhood house, my father asked if I'd want his Winchester 61 22SL/L/LR. He got it in 1962 when he was 12, and it hasn't been fired in over 40 years. I just dropped it off to have it disassembled, ultrasonic cleaned. The gun is in great condition. When I pick it up I will provide more info. So I'm just curious as to how "rare" or what they are worth these days. I plan to keep it forever and probably will plan to pass it on to my kids if I ever have any lol.

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Unfortunately, no one can see your picture. High-condition Model 61s are very desirable and bring high prices, and some are rarities, such as those made in .22 Short only. The complete history of these can be found in Ned Schwing's excellent book "Winchester Slide Action Rifles." Unfortunately (or fortunately, as the case may be) the book itself is sort of a collector's prize and also brings big bucks. If you have some specific questions about the Model 61, PM me and I will look up anything you may need to know in my copy.

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Nice rifle....I'd keep it and pass it down when the time comes.

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Unfortunately, no one can see your picture. High-condition Model 61s are very desirable and bring good prices.
I just updated with a new link!
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Rare ? Not especially. Desirable ? You betcha ! One of the best-regarded rifles Winchester ever produced.

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I am beyond excited to get it back and shoot it!
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I notice from your picture it has a scope mounted. That probably indicates it has the so-called "Grooved Top" receiver, which began in mid-1954 at SN 225000.
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I have one that was my father's...not sure of the age, way older than me for sure.

It's well used...the 1st gun I ever fired at age 6.

Taken a pile of squirrels with that gun over the years...great shooting guns...you have yourself a true heirloom
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A truly high condition and matching ser# (upper & lower) can easily bring $1000 these days. More if it's an early production & high condition or one of the smaller production editions like the oct bbl, LR only or 22short only guns, or a 22LR shot model.
22WRF and 22Mag caliber rifles command premiums.\

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click on Winchester 61 and enter the ser#

There are several other online and book sources of the data. They can vary a little from source to source sometimes depending on which data is used.

The rifles w/the grooved top rcv'r are very sought after (later models) as you can easily mount a scope w/a tip-off mount on them.
Most everyone seems to like a scope on a rifle and there's no drill&tap required. The one you have is probably like that.
Earlier production is the so called smooth top rec'vr. Just iron sights on the bbl. Many of those you find with aftermarket drill&tap holes for scope and rear peep sights.

Early rifles have steel checkered butt plates, later production have plastic plates. Stock shape changed a little from pre-war to post war. Collectors can quickly spot the differences. On a shooter grade rifle to a hunter/plinker it would make little difference but the value would go down to a collector if the correct parts weren't there.

Great rifles.
Keep it in as nice & original condition as you can. Shooting it certainly won't hurt it at all. Enjoy it. It's $$ value will do nothing but go up.
It's sentimental value will always be priceless.
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Keep that win 61. it is an excellent shooter. in my opinion it is better than some on the market today. i started out with a WIN Model 69 back in the late 1930s.
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A truly high condition and matching ser# (upper & lower) can easily bring $1000 these days. More if it's an early production & high condition or one of the smaller production editions like the oct bbl, LR only or 22short only guns, or a 22LR shot model.
22WRF and 22Mag caliber rifles command premiums.\

Ser#/yr of production can be found here:
Winchester Dates of Manufacture
click on Winchester 61 and enter the ser#

There are several other online and book sources of the data. They can vary a little from source to source sometimes depending on which data is used.

The rifles w/the grooved top rcv'r are very sought after (later models) as you can easily mount a scope w/a tip-off mount on them.
Most everyone seems to like a scope on a rifle and there's no drill&tap required. The one you have is probably like that.
Earlier production is the so called smooth top rec'vr. Just iron sights on the bbl. Many of those you find with aftermarket drill&tap holes for scope and rear peep sights.

Early rifles have steel checkered butt plates, later production have plastic plates. Stock shape changed a little from pre-war to post war. Collectors can quickly spot the differences. On a shooter grade rifle to a hunter/plinker it would make little difference but the value would go down to a collector if the correct parts weren't there.

Great rifles.
Keep it in as nice & original condition as you can. Shooting it certainly won't hurt it at all. Enjoy it. It's $$ value will do nothing but go up.
It's sentimental value will always be priceless.

Wow! Thanks for all the info! I'll be honest I'm relatively newer to firearms. Only other gun I have is the m&p9c, this is my first rifle. What exactly are tip offs? I don't plan to make any changes to it all to be honest! I imagine the gun is okay I just wanted to have it looked at by a gun smith who is familiar with older firearms. I called a couple places, some by recommendation, the one I settled on sold me since they told me they will completely disassemble and ultrasonic clean everything. Seems petty but I liked it. I spoke with the gentleman when I dropped it off and he seemed well versed.
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"What exactly are tip offs?"

They are rings that clamp onto both sides of two milled grooves on the top of the receiver. In theory you loosen the bolt/screw that attaches them, and this creates enough play to tilt them to the opposite side and remove them.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:24 AM
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I have related this story previously, but I'll repeat it. About a year ago, one of my wife's friend's son had a Model 61. He is not a shooter, and he had never fired it. It came to him through the family. While at his house one day, he showed it to me. It showed a lot of neglect, was dirty, and the metal had a fine coating of rust all over it. He mentioned something about being interested in selling it as he never used it. I offered to take it home and clean it up for him. I did the usual Chore Boy/light oil treatment on the barrel to clean off the rust and went over the wood with mineral spirits to remove the dirt, followed by waxing all of the metal and wood with Johnson's Paste Wax. I also cleaned the bore, no damage there. Except for a few small dings in the wood fore-end, it looked like new. When I returned it, he was so impressed by its looks he decided he wanted to keep it. So I actually worked myself out of getting a very nice Model 61, probably cheaply. But that's fine.
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If you plan to shoot it quite a bit, I would consider replacing that scope. The little vintage scopes with 7/8" tubes are usually very dim and not very good clarity. O.K. for occasional plinking use, but for any hunting or more serious target shooting I'd look for something better. That's a very nice one, will have some decent value, so follow the directions for keeping it in good condition so you can pass on to your children.
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If you plan to shoot it quite a bit, I would consider replacing that scope. The little vintage scopes with 7/8" tubes are usually very dim and not very good clarity. O.K. for occasional plinking use, but for any hunting or more serious target shooting I'd look for something better. That's a very nice one, will have some decent value, so follow the directions for keeping it in good condition so you can pass on to your children.
I won't use it all the time, just here and there. My father said it was a cheaper scope. I don't hunt, so I'll just be plinking or shooting paper. I'll probably just leave it as is. It just sat in his closet this whole time. No rust, wood looks good. I went and bought a case for it to keep it in.
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When I get it back I'll provide better pictures of it!
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:20 PM
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Keep the scope. Some of the vintage 'cheap' scopes are not so cheap anymore. The 61 is one of the most accurate 22's Winchester ever made and is by far and away the most accurate slide action. the grooved receiver 61's are bringing $1000 to $1250 around here if in good shape. Pristine they bring almost double that. I like Your idea of handing it down.
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Very nice . . . I'm very fond of the model 61. My best friend growing up had one that I shot a lot. Seems I recall it is a John Browning design.
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Well I have this old 62A my dad had as long as I can remember. Not sure exactly when he bought it but Im 1961 and remember it as a boy so it was in 50s sometime. Love this gun one of best shooting most accurate 22 rifles.



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Old 07-29-2017, 05:55 PM
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I've got a older 61 with non grooved reciever, about 95%r. One
of my favorites for plinking. When I thinned down the 22 rifles
to a couple dozen, I kept 61-62-63 Winchesters 3 of the best 22
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My favorite .22 would be either a Model 61 or a Remington 550-1. I don't have either at present, but I do have a Taurus knockoff of the Winchester Model 63 - a very respectable copy which I really like. I can't say enough good things about it. A shame it is no longer made.
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I am not up on the model numbers but those pics appear to be semi autos correct?

The 61 is a pump.

Ejects out the top

Or do the pictures just not do the action justice on the other models.




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61-hammerless pump, ejection port on the right side. tube feed under the bbl
62 & 62A- hammer pump (the former used a flat mainspring,,the latter a coil mainspring) top ejection. Tube feed under the bbl
63- semiauto Tube feed but loads through the butt stock instead of being under the bbl as the above models, ejection port on the right side.
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Evidently 61A is hammered and top ejection.
Cause that what it is.
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The picture shown in #20 is definitely a Model 61 and ejects to the side. It is very similar to the earlier Remington Model 12, also an excellent slide-action .22

"Keep the scope. Some of the vintage 'cheap' scopes are not so cheap anymore. "

Just take a look on GunBroker and eBay for what some of the earlier 3/4" tube Weaver scopes from the 1950s are bringing today. A lot more than the original $10. Most everything today is made in China, and not nearly the quality of the "Made-in-USA" Weaver/El Paso scopes.

Not too long ago I sold a 1950's era 2-3/4X Weaver scope (1" tube) in no better than fair condition for $75 on eBay. At least the optics were OK. Guys with 1950s guns all want 1950s scopes to go with them.
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So I picked up the gun last night and it looks great! I ran the SN and it appears it was produced in 1958, so it was almost 4 years old when my father got it new!

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It's in really nice shape, and it does have the tip-off scope mount with a vintage scope. Take really good care of it and you can pass it down to your grandkids, and they can do likewise .
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It's in really nice shape, and it does have the tip-off scope mount with a vintage scope. Take really good care of it and you can pass it down to your grandkids, and they can do likewise .
Yeah I thought so as well. He had it just sitting on a shelf in his closet for as long as I could remember. I have it a rifle bag now, may throw some silica gel packets in there to play it safe.
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I would get a silicone gun "sock" for it. A lot of guns have developed rust in the case over the years. Pretty gun like that deserves correct protection.
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I would get a silicone gun "sock" for it. A lot of guns have developed rust in the case over the years. Pretty gun like that deserves correct protection.
Had no idea that was a thing, I'll see if the store has one when I go in later!
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I bought several rifles and shotguns in a lot about twenty years ago. In with them was a 61 from the late '40s. I had never seen one before but it was in great shape. I'm not a fan of pump rifles, but this one shot so accurately, I had to keep it. A very well-built .22.
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I won't use it all the time, just here and there. My father said it was a cheaper scope. I don't hunt, so I'll just be plinking or shooting paper. I'll probably just leave it as is. It just sat in his closet this whole time. No rust, wood looks good. I went and bought a case for it to keep it in.
BIG MISTAKE!!! Do NOT keep it in a case.Cases are for transport only NOT for storage as they WILL hold what little moisture there is and your gun WILL rust! Don't ask me how I know this
Buy a treated gun sock. It will keep the dust off which is all you really want. If yer too cheap to spend the $6 or so then use a couple of yer wife's pillow cases or wrap it loosely in a sheet Put it in the case when you transport it out to wherever you are going to shoot it.
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So I picked up the gun last night and it looks great! I ran the SN and it appears it was produced in 1958, so it was almost 4 years old when my father got it new!

Attached are links to a couple more pictures showing what optic, and the condition of the wood!

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NICE!!! Shoot the heck out of it and enjoy it. I've never seen a 22 that has been well cared for wear out. Take it out and shoot it, clean and lube as needed,store it in dry environment, repeat.
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I just had the guy at the store tell me not to leave it in the case, I had no idea! I'll pull it out soon as I get home tomorrow. Gun sock it is! I can't wait to get it out!
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