When I saw the title to this article I almost spit my coffee onto my screen!
I don't hate Glock pistols, but I don't own one either. The grip ergonomics are not for me. But, I was just wondering, are the Glock owners (fanboys) really that upset about Glock not getting the US ARMY contract? Glock is the best selling handgun in the US, probably the world as well. Isn't that good enough?

Glock Fanboys Can Not Get Over Losing to Sig - AllOutdoor.com

I own Glocks and Beretta's, I don't own any SIG's and at this point, I doubt that I ever will. I do not care about the M17 and which handgun the military chose. It really is a huge waste of money when just about any off the shelf 9mm by any of the major manufacturers could have fit the bill. Personally I think that the military should have adopted a PDW in 5.7x28 but that is just because I would love more and cheaper ammo choices for my Five -Seven and my PS90.

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Interesting read. Thanks. Wasn't there an issue with the way the Glock field strips? Having to pull trigger before removing slide? I thought I read somewhere that the military specs required a pistol that could be field stripped without having to pull trigger.

I own a couple of Glocks and the short answer is no, I'm not upset, at all.
Why would I be? It's not my company. It wasn't a design change that I embraced. Now their prices won't go up and Glock will need to keep its current customer base happy.
So, actually, I'm just the opposite of upset.

Have a dozen of them. Couldn't care less if they got the contract. It would be cool but at this point irrelevant.

I'm not sure about the requirements for field stripping but one of the requirements was to have interchangeable sizes with a removable chasis. Basically it was written for Sig! I'm not saying Sig had insider help just that there was no other gun that would meet those specs

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I own several Glocks and they fit me fine. I have competed with them and it works for me.

Losing the contract is not an issue as I probably have all that I need. So if pricing or availability was going to be an issue so be it.

Russ

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I'm not brand loyal. If a company starts to produce a lousy product, I don't buy it any longer. This has happened many times over the last few decades. It's just the way life is. If Glock products fail me, I will find a substitute.So far, they are batting a thousand for me over the last 25 years.I have found them to be truly perfection for a combat weapon.All failures I have seen regarding Glocks are from owner modified weapons or inferior ammunition.
What the government chooses in products is insignificant to me,and most of the time is based more on a political choice rather than a product being superior or inferior.
However..you will always have the fan clubs that cry foul. It is human nature.

Having been around multiple users of multiple Glock firearms for 25 years or so, I've seen some mechanical failures during active use which were not user or ammunition induced. Several broken slide lock springs before the modification (these were fun, because the slide assembly just falls off if the lock manages to escape, and the shooter is left holding a loaded frame and a quizzical look), more than one broken slide rail, several broken recoil spring assemblies (which were probably damaged during reassembly, and failed during fire). Even saw a cracked locking block once. They're good, but like anything else, they're gonna break at some point . . .

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Just picked up a used Glock 19 - reason? - I know they work, it'll be a truck and boat gun. And I won't feel bad about it if something happens to it.
To me, they are as interesting as a good Estwing hammer.

As to the military contract, I'm more interested in the 'been-kept-quiet' issue of supposedly a new military 9mm round. Supposedly a departure from the ball ammo that's been around 100+ years and will provide much better field performance while still adhering to Hague rules, etc.

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Glocks are ugly, ugly, ugly but.............
1. Pull the trigger and they go bang.
2. They shoot where pointed.

Every time (except for modification caused malfunctions/shooter error)=all I can ask for!

Did I say they are ugly?

Besides, the military went from the 1911 to the beretta===what do they know?

Have owned Glocks in the past.
They are good handguns..
Not what you call a fanboy..but give credit where credit due..they make a good gun. and yes there are better handguns than Glock and worse.......

Government contracts filled with insider maneuvering, lobbyist and bottom dollar considerations......Glock lost the contract, no big thingy, nothing changes, life goes on...........

But the bigger questions is WHO CARES....AND WHY?

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Same premise for Smith fan boys when the FBI selected glocks. Personally I like diversity in my handguns.

To a certain extent some of us do. Although, regarding Glocks, at this point I don't. But to answer why I would care is Im a fan of thoroughly tested firearms. We can scream favoritism and back room deals all we want, in the end they are still tested. Which is why at this point I don't care if Glock wins the Military contact or not. They've proven themselves over and over. If you look in my safe you..... aside from a hunting rifle and an old Llama you won't find any gun that is from any company that isn't on several Military lists. Now that I think about it, my SW 642 and G43 technically are not. But that's it. Everything else is Colt, HK, Glock and German Sigs


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Since my only Glock is out on long term loan,
I guess I don't have to read and heed!
I'll mention it to my Son, doubt if he'll read it.

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I own three Glocks. No not perfect. They work for me.

I used to hate Glocks. Then I figured that it wasn't the guns I hated but the Glock Nazis that proclaimed that Glock was perfection and it's the only gun you will ever need. I resent being put in the same category as them. After seeing my Glock a man said that I must be a Glock fan boy. I politely but sternly told him that no, I'm a gun guy. Period.

The last proclamation I heard from a Glock Nazi was that if John Browning had design and built a plastic gun, it would have been exactly like a Glock.

I worked part time at an indoor range for a couple years. I have seen every major brand break or malfunction. Some brands more than others.

Over the years I have found that with some people Glock pistols are easy to learn. They don't have to make a commitment to learn the double action pull of a revolver or the manipulation of a 1911 safety. So some of them proclaim that Glock is the best. But it could mean that they are too lazy to learn how to use other types of guns.

As far as the government contract, I don't care either way. But it shouldn't have taken so long. And I'm not convinced that our military got the best gun. Only time will tell.

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I see a lot of internet traffic talking about "Glock Fanboys Fill In The Blank".

What I don't ever see is any traffic posted by the elusive and mystical "Glock Fanboy". Kinda of funny.

Remember the busted Beretta that I recently saw?
A chunk of metal broke off inside the slide while target shooting in Afghanistan by an Army Ranger.
I asked his Dad who showed it to me -
What's he carrying now?
Glock!

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I own and compete with an unmodified (except for the sights) Glock 19, which I occasionally carry in the winter. I use it to compete because it goes bang every time, has no safety and I shoot it well and naturally from an OWB holster. I also have a Glock 26 that I'm going sell. You may see it listed on this forum if I don't sell it in the "neighborhood". It is a fine pistol, but too blocky to carry every day for me, and I just don't need it.

When the Shield 9 came out I was an early buyer. I love it and have carried almost every day since except when I carry a newer Shield 45 which I love even more.

I also own a fine shooting and looking Beretta 92FS, but carrying it would be like carrying a brick and competing with it introduces the external safety into my head. My head is already full.

In short, I like Glock for some purposes, but for what I do most (daily carry) I'm a Shield fan, and I don't give a hoot what the military buys.

By the way, my son is CG and has a Sig P226 in 9mm, because it lets him practice with the pistol the CG uses in .40. It too is a beautiful and terrific shooting pistol but cost him over $1000 with his military discount and is also, like the 92FS, a brick to carry, unless you're in tactical gear.

My motto: To each his own!

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I am with you 100% not a Glock hater but never ( as of yet) found one to fit my hand. I am not loyal to one and only brand. Smiths, Rugers, Springfields , and others are in my line up

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I've never noticed glock owners being "fanboys" or irrationally brand loyal anymore than owners of other manufacturers.

I own several glocks. If someone doesn't like glocks, I'm not offended in the least. They are merely self-defense tools to me. If something I determine to be better for my perceived needs comes along, I'll switch. Politics have nothing to do with my choices.

I do think it is with good reason why the Glock is so prevelant in military/police use and is so often recommended by reputable instructors. It simply affirms that it's a reliable, quality and affordable tool.

The Beretta APX also has the removable chassis and yes, I thought that was a requirement. Don't know about the other entrants but it makes you wonder how the Glock got that far. Following the fair disclosure act I own and like Glocks.

It's obvious the latest handgun buy was a crock because they didn't revive and select the Steyr GB. Then again I might be biased. OK, OK, if it has to be polymer with a safety then bring back the original Steyr M9.

I understand that Sig and Steyr are engaged in a lawsuit regarding the modular chassis design. The Steyr M9 design had one in the late 90s.

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Hard to say. Never know what those fanboys are thinking. I was just wondering if all those Smith & Wesson M&P fanboys are upset because S&W didn't get the Army contract.

You just never can tell.

Smith Fanboy here - if the Penrgon calls and says Boot Up! Suit Up!
Your going to the Sand Box.
Who me? I can't go!
Too Old! Too Ugly!
We are waiving the old and the ugly is not a valid disqualification.
I would go out and buy a single stack mag Glock in 9mm.
The Ugly Glock is the most reliable- it will shoot when you really need it to - handgun on the Planet!
And that's from a Smithboy!
Did I mention how much I like my Smith Revolvers?

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I own a couple, all .40S&W, and they really came into their own when I started riding ATV's. I mean, if you loose it, who cares?

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The only Glock I have is a Gen 3 G17 I keep for LEOSA qualification, 98.7% last month. I carried a Gen 2 G23 before I retired but liked the 17 better, especially since I no longer need a heavy caliber like the .40. My EDC is a 340PD which I also qualify with annually (85.8%). I could care less about military contracts and have tried other Glocks but did not like them much.

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Having shot both many times I find the Sig to be the better gun, at least in my hands. The trigger, grip, sights and takedown procedure are all improved over the Glock, not to mention the modular design.

I hope Glock improves some of these in the next generation (although it seems the takedown procedure is unlikely to ever change).

Glocks are like golf and U.T. football. It isn't the product I can't stand as much as the fans of said product. I steer clear of all of them in order to avoid the crowd that comes with it.

That must severely limit your training opportunities.

I looked into the 320. Everyone I saw had the M size rear panel which is a bit awkward.

I was int in the modular design until I priced all the parts. Not much more than buying another used gun.

Trigger is definitely better!

Take down. Don't know but im least concerned with that.

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I have completed the Glock L.E. armorers course twice over the years. As our department armorer, I attended the course to support the many members of our agency that chose to purchase Glocks as off duty firearms. I have serious experience with Glocks but have never purchased one for myself. Why? Can't really say. My agency issued HK USP's and I completed the HK armorers course twice as well. I owned one but sold it. Just didn't make the cut. Chunky and hard to conceal. If I could identify one thing that I don't like about the Glock, it is the Glock trigger "safety" and lack of a manual safety to backup that trigger. Yes, I am a 1911/BHP/3rd Gen fan. Glock fans will say that proper training will prohibit accidental discharges. The same can be said for weapons with positive manual safeties. Draw the weapon, sweep the safety off. Just my humble opinion.

What does one have to do with the other (guns). I own two Rugers and as far as I know I never met another Ruger owner. Same with my HK. Even all my Glocks....I only know one Glock owner. I used to frequent the 1911 forum, those guys can be worse than Glock fan boys. I got ridiculed for doing a range comparison of my Springfield TRP, S&W 4566, and Sig 220. To paraphrase.....why would I talk about those none JMB guns on a 1911 forum. Im not going to sell my 1911 because of that nor will it stop me from buying another.

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I wasn't aware that owning a Glock made you a "fanboy". I own two and I think they're good guns, but I also own S&W, Colt, Ruger, Browning, etc. So I'm not sure what that makes me. But I could care less that they didn't get the contract, as most owners probably feel the same. Since when did we start letting a few "fans" represent all owners? I do find it convenient that Glock is about 10 miles away and if I take one of their guns by the shop they will upgrade it for free and give you new magazines.

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I own two Glocks. I do not care even slightly that the government chose another brand. I don't take it personally, and I do not own any stock in the Glock company.

BTW: I saw a photo of the Glock entry. It was a G19 with a thumb safety in the usual location. Too bad they don't offer this variant to the general public.

It doesn't. I'm personally sick of the term. Far as I'm concerned, it's somewhat offensive, slightly derogatory. I've owned several Glocks and still have two. It's an okay pistol. But I'm not a "fan" of them any more than I'm a fan of my .45 Shield, and I'm damn sure nobody's "boy".

Seems like every time I see someone use the term, they're poking fun at someone or someone's choice of pistol.

There's a pistol for everyone, whether it's a Smith, Glock, Sig, Ruger, whatever. Folks who don't like Glocks, that's fine. Buy and shoot whatever you wish, but grow up and stop making fun of people who do like them.

Is there such an animal, a S&W fanboy? Just from my readings, and the small talk at the gun ranges, Glock is the only title fanboy gun that I know of.
But, they have a very good reason to be; a Glock goes "BANG" every time the trigger is pulled (when loaded with ammo, of course).

Man, if Glock were to change the grip ergonomics, I would be all over Glock firearms like white on rice! And, I wouldn't care if anyone called me a GLOCK FANBOY then.

If you(general) get upset because some people prefer another gun than yours, you might be a fanboy.

If you cry because your gun was not chosen for a contract, you might be a fanboy.

If every piece of clothing is trademarked from a gun manufacturer, you might be a fanboy.

If you repeat the gun manufacturers advertising, you might be a fanboy.

I hope no good guys die and no bad guys live should a P320 not work.

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My one and only a 1st generation Glock 17 marked "MPDC" for the Metropolitan Police Department District of Columbia. Given the extreme distaste the authorities there have for guns in the hands mere citizens I can't help but hope that clown, Mayor Adrian Fenty, had to sell them to help pay Alan Gura's legal fees from the Heller case?

Calling someone a "fanboy" (or "fanboi"), is just a way of saying: "I don't have to respect your opinions or discuss them rationally with you, using facts. I can just call you a name."

I have one Glock: an early Gen 1 17L. It points itself, the trigger's fine (once I learned it) and the long slide and barrel get good performance out of the ammunition.

As long as the military got a decent handgun system, that's fine with me. I AM curious about the new ammo.

Me either. I had it in my head to buy a Glock a few years ago. After going to 4 or 5 LGS's and trying nearly every model they had on the market and finding not a single one that fit my hand I was pretty discouraged. That's when the closest LGS to me offered me an insane deal on a Taurus. It fit my hand perfectly. It was about half of the price of a similar Glock and the owner of that LGS gave me a month to try it out to get past my doubts about Taurus. He knew I would never bring it back.

At any rate I took the bait and fell in love with that Taurus. It is crazy accurate and has yet to have a single failure through 5000 rounds or so. It replaced my Sig P220 which I had carried about a decade. The size and capacity were just too good to pass up.

I really don't have a lot of interest in the choice of a Sig over a Glock for the military. Both make great guns but I would have to say Sig makes better guns and that is a good thing for our soldiers. I won't likely be buying either now that I have a collection of pistols to choose from to carry.

I don't agree. Fanboys are the ones that don't use logic. Using that name just refers to people who will swear gun x is the best in the world when it is a budget, entry level gun that has far superior competition. For example I've seen lots of fanboys declare that a 10/22 is the best .22 rifle made. I guess they aren't familiar with Anschutz. Ruger makes fine rifles but they are not the best in the world. It might be the best semi-auto but out of the box I think Marlins are better. When someone says something irrational about a gun like the 10/22 being the best made that makes them a fanboy IMO. They are the ones being illogical and unreasonable. I don't count everyone that likes a Glock in that category but some are. It is a brand that has rabid followers. They are fine guns but they aren't for everyone (like me only because they don't make one that fits me). And there are several brands of equal quality IMO. I don't see how anyone could claim any pistol is a lot better than my Taurus really. Maybe in terms of lasting a long time. And I don't think that's irrational because I do think Sig makes a better pistol. They are more consistently good and they make few lemons. But my Taurus has knocked down empty .45 casings at 20 yards (2 with just 2 shots) and barely missed one at 25 yards. And it's completely reliable so far. There is an issue with the safety though so that makes it not the best pistol. Mine doesn't seem to have the problem but some examples of the same model do. But I've since switched to a Springfield XDm .40. Again I don't see one brand as "the best". Guns have good points and bad points and finding the "best" gun is a hard thing to do.

I try to be rational when I judge any gun. I buy what I find to be quality guns so I may come off as being biased but the truth is I buy what I have found to be a good firearm. I don't buy solely on reputation. Fan boys do those things. They talk about their gun having no equals. I just don't buy that about any gun and anyone that claims their gun is the best period is generally a fanboy.

For many, many years I carrie a S&W Model 10 or Model 15 and was quite content. Why, I knew that if it hit the fan I was going to grab a rifle....if you're shooting the enemy with a pistol you are already in trouble.

I carry a Glock 23 quite often, I like it, reliable, fits me fine, simple to use and the price was right...but it don't bother me they didn't get the contract...there are so many variables on what gets picked it mind boggling.

I did not like the Beretta at all and generally opted to just get an M4.

Often when down in the woods on my farm I carry one of my K-Frames with 125 grain +P+ ammo...I feel very confident with it.

The Air Force was contemplating going to the S&W 686 to replace our 38 Specials when the whole Beretta thing came up...I would have liked the Smith on my side. A 357 is a great round..

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Amen. It's not like we're short of choices.

I was shooting a Glock 19 (borrowed, admittedly) side-by-side with my Browning last night. At 25 feet, there's very little difference. At 50, I start to see it. The Glock sights leave a little more to "interpret" and the Browning trigger is a little more forgiving in my hands.

I think the Glock is a great gun. It's kind of like the AK of pistols. For the masses.

I don't own one, or carry one. It's nothing I really need, and is a little chunky for me personally to hump around. Not saying I won't own one in the future. I'm a 10mm fan to some extent, and those 29s look like a nice outdoor packin' gun.

That being said, like mentioned above, if you told me to show up somewhere, and there was going to be shooting, I'd be borrowing a Glock 17.

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I hear the "lack of manual safety" thing quoted a lot. I was issued and carried a 5906 for many years that had no external manual safety.......and at that time I never heard a peep about the "lack of manual safety" nor was I ever concerned about an "accidental discharge". Now days I am issued and carry a G17, and carry it as confidently as I did the 5906. Just an opposing opinion, nothing more.

As an owner and shooter of several Glocks, I couldn't care less if any firearm I own is popular with the U.S. Army, or anyone else.

On the other hand, the only SIGs that I own and care about are real ones; Swiss SIG P210s.

You own a P210? I've thought about selling every other pistol I own to buy one. Is it worth it?

I have a P210-6 left after giving my P210-4 to my oldest son. I have bought and sold guns for decades and am left with way too many. Three very large safes full.
If you love great quality, finish, and a gun that is accurate and will last a lifetime; yes, the P210 is an option.

I am a gun addict and avid shooter and to be honest, I have a few semi autos that cost much less and are as accurate. In the end, there isn't a perfect gun, as there isn't a perfect marksman. I have owned or borrowed and shot most handguns that are out there and my consensus is that, while there is personal preference, there are many quality handguns that can do the job.

My Glock 17 with a Vanek trigger and aftermarket barrel is every bit as accurate as my P210. I shot one of my best scores for accuracy with a Star 30M. Go figure.

Incorrect. The term fanboy, per my definition, is given to someone that is overzealous about something but has no real knowledge or experience to substantiate it.

It's true, people use the term too often and usually incorrectly with the intent of meaning similar to your statement. However, there are many fanboys when it comes to guns, and they match the definition I hold.

There's nothing worse than a firearms fanboy when all you want to do is have an open discussion about guns without bias. One of the reason why I don't really participate on a certain forum anymore. I don't see too many fanboys here. Some, but not as bad as other places.