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Old 08-02-2017, 03:39 PM
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The new Wilson Combat EDC X9. IF the early reports remain true, 1911 trigger and function, capacity (16), accuracy (1.5" @25 yards), controlled recoil and lift, fit and finish, ridiculously reliable, no plastic, no MIM. We'll see.

Oh yeah, almost $3K, and an 8-10 month wait that seems to get longer each month.
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The new Wilson Combat EDC X9. IF the early reports remain true, 1911 trigger and function, capacity (16), accuracy (1.5" @25 yards), fit and finish, ridiculously reliable, no plastic, no MIM. We'll see.

Oh yeah, almost $3K, and an 8-10 month wait that seems to get longer each month.

LOL, a EDC; no way!!!!!

Remember all those threads here about carrying cheap "fantastic plastic" so you don't put your "good guns" (like a $500 3913) at risk of seizure by the Police if you ever have to use it.................. at 3 grand that baby will never leave the house!!!!!!!

If I go cocked & Locked it will be with a Browning HP w/ a 15rd mec-gar magazine.
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Gotta throw some slo-mo video into the mix.

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Thanks for sharing the video!
Beautiful weapon, and I am sure well worth the cost, but at 3K, I'm sure I will never own one. I will have to rely on my "poor mans" collection.
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Old 08-02-2017, 04:07 PM
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LOL, a EDC; no way!!!!!

Remember all those threads here about carrying cheap "fantastic plastic" so you don't put your "good guns" (like a $500 3913) at risk of seizure by the Police if you ever have to use it.................. at 3 grand that baby will never leave the house!!!!!!!
If I go cocked & Locked it will be with a Browning HP w/ a 15rd mec-gar magazine.
Ridiculous. Yes I remember and it's malarkey. If your gun is seized as evidence after a shooting the least of your problems is that it is a Wilson Combat or Les Baer costing less than a third of your lawyer's retainer fee and 3% of his total bill at trial's end..

The last thing I'm going to do is buy a gun as a premiere carry and not carry it. Plenty of Wilson's and other premium steel on people's sides.

Oh yeah, and this is true. My next door neighbor Joe Schmoe bought a $19,000 Yamaha 250 outboard. But he wisely mounted a 1972 Evinrude 35 on his boat. Because if his boat is in an accident, well he didn't want . . . and as he said, at $19,000 that baby will never leave the house! Just a shame about that tornado though.

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I hate to be a spoil sport, and I'm sure that it's an excellent gun, but I don't like the knurling pattern that reminds me of an old metal nutcracker/pick set we had that was knurly in all kinds of ways.

I'm not a fan over overly engraved guns either, though a simple pattern that isn't overblown can be gorgeous. I"ve seen some revolvers that remind me of the same nutcracker set, with diameter reductions all over. I don't know why anybody would want to carve up a gun like that. And I"d stick to target loads, too.
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Ridiculous. Yes I remember and it's malarkey. If your gun is seized as evidence after a shooting the least of your problems is that it is a Wilson Combat or Les Baer costing less than a third of your lawyer's retainer fee and 3% of his total bill at trial's end..

The last thing I'm going to do is buy a gun as a premiere carry and not carry it. Plenty of Wilson's and other premium steel on people's sides.

My next door neighbor Joe Schmoe bought a $19,000 Yamaha 250 outboard. But he wisely mounted a 1972 Evinrude 35 on his boat. Because if his boat is in an accident, well he didn't want . . . and as he said, at $19,000 that baby will never leave the house!
I'm really rough on clothes, shoes, watches, anything that might be worn on a person. You wouldn't believe what I can do to wear items. A gun that I carry would have to be one that I didn't care if it got beat up pretty bad.
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Gorgeous weapon. Not to be a spoil sport myself but in my world that is way too big as an EDC, never mind my general dislike of single action pistols for defensive purposes in a world of very safe double action and striker fired pistols Anyway, I have a particularly dislike of 1911s so forgive me (yes, yes, I know, that's un-American and blasphemous but even though I love my Browning HP it ain't gettin' carried ever unless we go to war).
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Ridiculous. Yes I remember and it's malarkey. If your gun is seized as evidence after a shooting the least of your problems is that it is a Wilson Combat or Les Baer costing less than a third of your lawyer's retainer fee and 3% of his total bill at trial's end..

The last thing I'm going to do is buy a gun as a premiere carry and not carry it. Plenty of Wilson's and other premium steel on people's sides.

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I agree....there are folks who will and do carry +$2,000 concealed carry guns.........but not most folks................

I've carried a Performance Center Shorty 9 for over 20 years.... which at the time cost 2X as much as a factory 6906;......but I'll bet 90+% of Wilson's guns never go anywhere but the range...............

As I stated; if I was to go cocked and locked I'd send one of my Brownings to Novak so I could have the best carry HP possible!


Damn should have been a criminal lawyer!!!!! Two years of doing intakes at the County Jail for the PD office in law school........left a bad smell ..... literally a really bad smell !!!!

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Just playing the other side of the fence here.

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I hate to be a spoil sport, and I'm sure that it's an excellent gun, but I don't like the knurling pattern that reminds me of an old metal nutcracker/pick set we had that was knurly in all kinds of ways. . . I don't know why anybody would want to carve up a gun like that. And I"d stick to target loads, too.
I have the same patterns on a Wilson Combat X-Tac 9mm pictured that was my primary competition weapon for some time. I ordered the pattern eliminated at the front of the slide as I do not mess around up there. Regardless of appearance, nicely functional for grip and manipulation.

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I've been reading and watching the videos like a lot of folks. Believe it or not it is not a full size 1911, not even a commander size, it is a compact with back strap and trigger length options to fit different hand sizes. It is about identical in size to a G19. I carry a larger higher capacity G34, and on my agency duty belt is a G35.
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I have the same patterns on a Wilson Combat X-Tac 9mm pictured that was my primary competition weapon for some time. Regardless of appearance, nicely functional for grip and manipulation.



I've been reading and watching the videos like a lot of folks. Believe it or not it is not a full size 1911, not even a commander size, it is a compact with back strap and trigger length options to fit different hand sizes.
The Wilson is your "competition weapon"...... wonder what are the Glocks are for?? EDC?????

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Old 08-02-2017, 04:44 PM
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Hey, you know what? If somebody has that kind of money and it gives them that extra confidence and peace of mind, why not?
I would love to carry my favorite and probably most expensive gun as an EDC, but I'm afraid to. That's me, and I may be wrong for doing that.
They are for defense and the big bucks usually buys the most accurate and best functioning guns, so why not?
A pretty gun in your safe is kind of worthless to you if you're six feet under.
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The Wilson is your "competition weapon"...... wonder what are the Glocks are for?? EDC?????
The Glocks are required by my agency (those look to be generation three, so that was a little while ago). My ED carry at that time, a CQB Elite, is below. Having said that, I happily carry a Glock 34 off-duty too.
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The Glocks are required by my agency (those look to be generation three, so that was a little while ago). My ED carry at that time, a CQB Elite, is below. Having said that, I happily carry a Glock 34 off-duty too.
Just jerking your chain ....... a little!

I do like Wilson's Beretta's.......
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I agonized for a short time about this when I got my Colt DS. I wanted that sixth shot and trusted the brand.
Then I heard all the doom and gloom about there being no more Colt smiths and they're being so fragile as to go out of time and no one to fix it.
Oh my! I believed it for a brief period and then resigned myself to the fact, so what?
It's still a six shot .38 that's worked well for many decades and just recently, ( the 80s?) have they been discontinued.
I'll take my chances. I think I will notice if things start to go astray and use a different gun.
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I've been reading and watching the videos like a lot of folks. Believe it or not it is not a full size 1911, not even a commander size, it is a compact with back strap and trigger length options to fit different hand sizes. It is about identical in size to a G19. I carry a larger higher capacity G34, and on my agency duty belt is a G35.
Well, then, that's just doggone fascinating. Impressive, too. Still not my favorite guns but at least that size makes some sense EDC-wise. Still bigger than what I generally carry but at least I understand the concept.

I guess I don't have any guns that cost me $2000 but I also guess that it won't be long before some of my guns are literally worth that much, especially some in demand S&W guns. I'd still carry them if they were part of my carry battalion.
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I had a WC CQB compact 45 that I paid 2 grand for in good condition used 10 years old. I couldn't shoot it any better than my Kimber Ultra Carry II that I paid $800 for. I never carried the WC being afraid of scratching it or getting wear marks on it. A scratched and worn WC loses a lot of resale value. I sold it on consignment and I got $2200 for it. I don't know how much the LGS actually sold it for. The LGS sold it in just 3 days to a guy that buys quality guns.
The gun supposedly could shoot 1.5" at 25 yards but I sure couldn't do it with the gun. A gun can only shoot as well as the shooter can shoot. Don't get me wrong WC are very good quality guns but for the price it didn't make me shoot any more accurately than my Kimber which is also a quality gun but much less expensive.
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When I first saw the edc x9 I read a lot & still think it's a beautiful gun & novel idea of a hybrid gun just too expensive for me. I have a hybrid of sorts a S&W 945 which is hand assembled & lapped & on & on but it cost half what the Wilson does. I do enjoy having something different so I can see the draw to it. If it takes that long to get one as the time passes I would see something else I would have to have & wish I had the money I spent on something I don't have yet.
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Well, to each his own. Personally I'd pass on a fat 9mm Commander at 1/5 the price.

Like the man said, I don't like big guns, just big bullets.
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Well really, people we all have our reasons and justifications. On what we carry and the cars we drive! I was raised to simply believe. That If pushed to use a weapon? He or she has earned the right to be bested by the best I can afford. After all? They have worked for it.
I myself work for a living (20 hr.). I carry Top of the line kimbers to 40 year old j frames. Make no mistake. They all can and will be replaced if need be.
I carry the best I can afford. I think I am worth it? I have been in this gun game since 1978. There is no answers on people's choices in life. Lawyers drive caddy's and carry a RG 38spl to the young deputy making 31 thou. a year with a off duty gun in the upper HK class? Who's to say?
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The gun supposedly could shoot 1.5" at 25 yards but I sure couldn't do it with the gun. A gun can only shoot as well as the shooter can shoot. Don't get me wrong WC are very good quality guns but for the price it didn't make me shoot any more accurately than my Kimber which is also a quality gun but much less expensive.
To each their own. Whatever trips your trigger go for it.
I mimic your thoughts. I sold my Ed Brown Cobra Carry, and carried my very reliable Kimber Ultra CDP II. Sold the Kimber after shooting a $450 Rock Island Armory 1911 in 9mm that had a better trigger out of the box than the Kimber.
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My opinions, for what they're worth...

If someone can afford it and is willing to carry it, I see no problem with that. I, personally, wouldn't, but mostly because I think it's a case of diminishing returns. I'm a decent shot, but definitely not to the point where a $3k gun will give me a significant advantage over a <$1k gun. I'd rather get an affordable, good quality gun that meets my needs.

Now, if I were going to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $3k for a carry 1911, I'd rather have one custom built to my specs by someone like JD Harrison (his retro 1911 is on my bucket list, FYI) or Ted Yost, not because it would give me an advantage but because it would be personalized to me and built with a high degree of craftsmanship.

This is aside from the fact that, while I like 1911s, they wouldn't be my first choice for self defense, though certainly not a bad choice. Also, while I don't consider myself a 1911 purist (I actually prefer external extractors to internal extractors, though not enough to be a dealbreaker), I doubt I would get a 1911 in any caliber other than .45ACP. If I wanted a 9mm SA semi-auto, I'd rather get a Hi-Power.

Again, that's just me.
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I'd love to own one. I'd EDC the F out of it too!!

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Other than capacity and better sights, I don't see what this gun does over a Star BM. Yes, it's very nicely made and extremely accurate at 25 yards from a Ransom rest.

However, let's get a real here, please. A scenario where I would attempt to shoot someone at 25 yards is rather unlikely. If I did kill somebody at that range the local DA would probably put my butt in jail with a stupid high bail. If I made bail it is likely I would return home to find my guns had been seized, even in NV.
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Looks nice but not for me. Even if that $3k is only 3% of lawyer fee to me it's still $3k towards lawyer fee. What other people wear is their problem. And also because I treat guns as tools so scratch, finish wear, lots of steel case....etc..

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Just because it is pretty and expensive does not make it the best EDC. I would rather have reliable.
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I will never consider anything with a thumb safety to be a perfect edc. If I can't draw it from the holster, drop it on cement, and trust it to not go bang, it's not perfect
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I don't judge my carry guns by the price tag. I have some fairly expensive ones and I have some that cost $200. And I would trust the one that cost $200 completely. It's accurate and reliable and it is DA/SA too so no heavy trigger pull to worry about. Yes it's striker fired but so are a lot of guns that work well.

If you want to carry an expensive piece and you can afford it that's great. But I currently carry a pistol I paid $400 for which holds 16+1 of .40 caliber ammo. It's also completely reliable. I don't know what's not to like except the weight. If I want a lighter pistol I carry the $200 Taurus PT-111 G2. It only holds 12+1 but there's always extra mags in my holster. I use shoulder holsters almost exclusively now. I got tired of one side of my pants drooping down when I wasn't paying attention.

I also have a Taurus PT-145 that holds 10+1 of .45 and I can hide it with the palm of my hand. It's very accurate and has never failed even once through about 5000 rounds. I paid about $300 for it. I just don't see any pistol being worth 10X as much as far as the value it has to protect me. Sure there are nice pistols out there but 3 grand is a lot. And I don't particularly like 1911's for carrying. They make good target pistols but I bought a Sig P220 the day I went to buy a 1911. I haven't regretted it for one second.
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I have a few friends who are die-hard M1911 fans. Colt and Kimber. None of them are nearly as reliable as my Glocks. Would this model likely be any different?
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I have a few friends who are die-hard M1911 fans. Colt and Kimber. None of them are nearly as reliable as my Glocks. Would this model likely be any different?
I agree, Glocks are more reliable than 1911's, but not significantly more. My 9mm Wilson Combat 1911 X-Tac had only 3 malf's in the first three thousand five hundred rounds. To be fair, much of that number was fast paced USPSA competition and tactical drills where we do get in a hurry. Thing is, the .40 Glocks our agency uses and the Glock Model 34 9mm I own have had zero malf's in years with multiple generation Glocks (one feed issue on range I believe was my fault via weak wristing).

Now, reportedly the new EDC X9 has innovations such as the 'Enhanced Reliability System' that have some real advances such as extractor design that allegedly places reliability at least on par with Glock service weapons. The weapon has only been released since this March, and we'll be a while knowing if this new compact is the beast some are claiming.

I've seen an X9 broken down, studied the reliability advances, and quickly saw that it naturally aims faster than my Glocks and has superior feel in the hand with the large backstrap. Moreover, I've been able to accomplish more competitively with a 1911 due to getting on target and the trigger. Others are different. Is it worth $2,400 more than a Glock? Depends on who you ask. Not to many folks here. For me to answer that I'd need a few thousand rounds down range. Thank goodness 9mm is cheap.

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Target-grade accuracy is not generally compatible with reliability.
Fortunately, that maxim is becoming occasionally formerly true as increasingly firearm companies innovate and evolve to give both reliability and reasonable accuracy.
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Target-grade accuracy is not generally compatible with reliability, nor necessary for self defense use. Most SD shootings occur at 6" or less, so 1.5" at 25 yards translates to what - button sized

I suspect that any shot taken beyond 7 yards would be hard to justify on the basis of self-defense.

I don't know what effect pocket lint has on the action, except that it collects surprisingly quickly on my EDC, requiring periodic cleaning.
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So now I can buy a $3000 edc so I can practice with cheap ammo. I guess that makes some kind of financial sense.
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I love them, and I still believe 1911's are an anachronism, and take too much attention to keep in tip top shape when compared with modern service pistols.

Understandably some will never get past the price. For those who will look, Wilson Combat may have brought the 1911 in to the 21st Century with the EDC X-9, solving the Achilles heels of capacity and high maintenance while maintaining the features that most love so much. But it is just way too early to tell.

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