Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics

Notices

Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics Post Your General Gun Topics and Non-S&W Gun and Blade Topics Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:18 AM
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 8,865
Likes: 10,603
Liked 15,203 Times in 5,250 Posts
Default Browning HP question

What bullet weight was the HP designed for? 115/124 or 147 gr.?
I'm thinking one of the latter two, but not sure and am curious as to which weight it was supposedly registered or calibrated to fire.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:40 AM
BARgunner BARgunner is offline
SWCA Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Kennewick, WA
Posts: 589
Likes: 1,167
Liked 1,095 Times in 228 Posts
Default

I don't know what it's designed for but the C series and MKIII pistols I have prefer the 124 gr. bullets.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:42 AM
Texas Star Texas Star is offline
US Veteran
Absent Comrade
Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 20,361
Likes: 24,260
Liked 16,154 Times in 7,408 Posts
Default

The 147 grain is a latecomer in 9mm ammo, originally for SEALS to use in suppressed SMG's.

Either of the other weights would have been used in 1935.
I think the original spec, 1902, was for 124 grain truncated cone bullet at 1040 FPS.But by WW I, there were varieties.

I owned a couple of HP's and both functioned fine with both 115 and 124 grain bullets. The MK III guns have stronger slides and fare better with heavy use of Plus P ammo. But most people don't need to shoot hot loads a lot.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:42 AM
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 8,865
Likes: 10,603
Liked 15,203 Times in 5,250 Posts
Default

That's my preference in bullet weight for the 9mm.
I don't think the 115 was even used when the HP came out, was it?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:18 PM
BB57's Avatar
BB57 BB57 is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 4,750
Likes: 3,555
Liked 12,658 Times in 3,372 Posts
Default

The Brits and the Canadians load 115 gr rounds at 1200 fps for their Hi Powers during WWII.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:22 PM
505Gibbs's Avatar
505Gibbs 505Gibbs is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Suburban Deeeetroit
Posts: 2,265
Likes: 71
Liked 1,393 Times in 674 Posts
Default

Just based on how long the design has been around I'd say the 115g bullet.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #7  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:25 PM
petepeterson's Avatar
petepeterson petepeterson is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,040
Likes: 6,277
Liked 4,872 Times in 1,883 Posts
Default

Funny you ask this-

I was trying different loads in my MK II the other night. There wasn't a huge difference at 45 ft between the 115 and 147. Less than I expected, anyway.

Off a bench, I can usually see the distinct groupings, but for some reason, with that pistol, the POI was only an inch different at most. Wonder why?
__________________
Because of the metric system?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 08-07-2017, 01:02 PM
OKFC05 OKFC05 is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 8,161
Likes: 3,620
Liked 5,209 Times in 2,174 Posts
Default

The standard 9mm Luger Load in 1935 when the Hi Po came out was 124 gr. Material shortages in WWII brought about the switch to 115 gr.
There is not enough difference between the 115gr and 124g POI at combat ranges to matter.
The 147gr trajectory is different, BUT the added weight and slow speed of the 147gr over the 124gr causes the barrel to rotate upward more as the bullet goes down the barrel, so the POI at 15yds is practically the same.
__________________
Science plus Art
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 08-07-2017, 01:14 PM
ImprovedModel56Fan ImprovedModel56Fan is offline
US Veteran
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MA
Posts: 7,348
Likes: 7,536
Liked 5,590 Times in 2,562 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
Off a bench, I can usually see the distinct groupings, but for some reason, with that pistol, the POI was only an inch different at most. Wonder why?
"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."

Old Trojan saying.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 08-07-2017, 02:33 PM
Valmet's Avatar
Valmet Valmet is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 4,032
Likes: 3,243
Liked 3,859 Times in 1,966 Posts
Default

+1 to what's already been stated regarding timeframes but in my experience with HPs (mostly T and C series, 1964-77ish), see which load works better for you as I have never been able to peg a preferred load between the 115 and 124.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 08-07-2017, 04:42 PM
moralem moralem is offline
Member
Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question Browning HP question  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,456
Likes: 240
Liked 6,214 Times in 1,575 Posts
Default Browning HP question

So my post will be a non-sequitur.....here is a picture of my HPs, one is a 1990 model and the other 1970s I think it has been so long since I got it.

Last edited by moralem; 08-07-2017 at 04:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Browning Hi-Power question ISCS Yoda Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 10 09-28-2016 09:10 PM
Browning Hi-Power Question Watchdog Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 8 12-07-2014 01:22 PM
Browning Hi-Power question (Got it!) sigp220.45 Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 22 04-29-2013 03:09 PM
Question on BROWNING A5 settersonly S&W-Smithing 1 03-22-2012 04:47 PM
Question on Browning HP YogiBear Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 10 04-13-2010 09:54 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:48 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)