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Old 08-09-2017, 10:01 AM
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I like having a .22 semi pistol in the stable because, not only is it fun, I think it's a great training tool to help identify and eliminate flinching.

I have a Browning Buckmark and, although it pains me to say it because I have a deep love and loyalty to Browning (and S&W ) - I really dislike the Buckmark. Mine is incredibly picky with ammo.

With the Ruger MK IV being released MK IIIs can be had *really* inexpensively. A LGS has one for something like $240 right now.

Can anyone comment on the MK III takedown issue? People talk about it being a real pain. And what is peoples' experiences with how the MK IIIs do with different ammo?

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At best, it can be fiddly to take down. It would go easier if I had to do it often enough to remember the drill, but as it is, I won't attempt it without the manual in front of me.

Nevertheless, I love the gun. It is easy to shoot well, and I shoot it better than anything else I own.

The takedown has not troubled me enough to make any of the mods to make it easier.
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I've been shooting Mark III pistols for several years and have no interest in a IV. There are a ton of vids on the Net about field stripping that will walk you right through it. Don't fret over it. The good ole boy in the below vid is as good as any and he ain't no expert.

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I had one for a number of years and it wasn't picky about ammo,though it shot it's tightest groups with cci sv.I replaced the mag disconnect with an after market hammer bushing which simplified reassembly.The trigger wasn't the greatest so that and the sear were replaced with VQ parts.The only flaw the gun really had was the factory grip not being tight enough against the hammer pin which would let it back out just enough to bind the hammer and tie up the gun.I still have a couple of mark Is and I think those triggers are better than a mark III trigger.At that price I'd grab one and start shooting.All the mods I did (if you do them) including after market grips only cost about $100
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I've owned a couple of Mk III's, and never understood all the hoopla over the takedown "problem." Just read and follow the directions. It also doesn't hurt to practice it.

But on the other hand, another reason I never had any problem with it is that I just never really did it all that often. A can of Gunscrubber, a couple of Q-tips, and a few drops of oil here and there were about all I ever used for routine cleaning.
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After you have performed the Ruger takedown a time or two (doing it the right way, according to instructions), there's not much to it. The main thing to remember is that the hammer must be down during disassembly and reassembly. However, unless you shoot a great deal, it's not really necessary to disassemble it very often. I have an earlier Standard Model from ca. 1955, and it is my favorite .22 pistol. And it still looks (almost) like new. There's something about the earlier SMs that just isn't there with the later Marks. They look and feel much the same, but there is an intangible but definite difference. There are many off-the-shelf improvements you can add, but I have never felt the need for any.

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I bought a Mark III brand new in 2012 to replace my 1986 slab-side Buckmark that was very finiky about ammo plus extra magazines were impossible to find and the aftermarket replacements would load and fire OK but would NOT lock open on last round.

The Mark III immediately became the family favorite with sons, daughters and wife alike for training, plinking and all around plain fun.

When it was brand new the take-down was really troublesome for me, even with the Manual. Just the step to pull out the back strap lever was tough, and the rest was equally troublesome in that I felt I had to have precision micrometers and special tools and skills to get it back together. With many rounds downrange and my solution of not taking it apart for routine cleaning (from the muzzle) little lube jobs on exposed points, I found after a year or so that the whole takedown was much easier because of wearing in I suppose, but it was simply no longer the aggravating issues when new.

Sold the Buckmark and never looked back.
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Old 08-09-2017, 12:48 PM
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I nearly bought a Browning Buckmark at a pretty good price ($200) a few months back, but remembered reading so many unflattering things about them, I decided to pass. But I really wish I had one of my old Colt Woodsmans back. I once had two of them, which I foolishly sold.
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I have the Buckmark, the Mark III and the Standard model Ruger. The Buckmark we have is not picky at all with ammo and it is the go to gun when teaching a new shooter. I got a good deal on the Mark III as I bundled it with a High Standard that I really wanted.

The trigger on our Buckmark is quite superior to the stock Mark III trigger and it really bugged me. So I got the VQ parts and get rid of the magazine disconnect and replaced the sear parts which has improved the trigger quite a bit. Still not up to the Buckmark trigger though.

However, the standard model Ruger has an outstanding trigger. I have heard that some people don't like the two stage trigger, but it was my first handgun when I was 14 or so and I had nothing to compare it to at the time. So yeah .. I got spoiled right out of the box.
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My SM trigger is not that great, but I've gotten used to it. It's not bad enough for me to want to change it in any way.
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I have two MKIII's. One has all Volquartsen insides and the othr has a full VQ 22/45 alloy frame. Between the two they have hundreds of thousands or founds fired by me and my students. Takedown videos are available and helpful.
My thirteen year old grandson took almost ten minutes to learn the proper fieldstrip procedure.


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I prefer the MK II due to the fact there is no loaded chamber indicator (left side of barrel). Those have been known to cause problems such as failure to eject. A lot of folks just disable them, and it seems to help.
So, that said, I have a MK II competition target (slabside), one 22/45 Lite MK III, a Volquartsen Custom based on MK III frame, and a 22/45 Lite MK IV, and Hunter MK IV.
Breakdown on the MK IV is incredibly simple and fast. It has a much harder trigger pull than my MK II, and I've added the Volquartsen accurizing kit (over $100) which remedies a couple of nits with the gun, to both the MK III Lite, and MK IV Hunter.
You can find really good deals on older Rugers now, as many prefer the easier takedown. In reality, you rarely have to break it down. Just clean the barrel and anything you can reach without a breakdown. I've read of shooter's going years without a breakdown necessary. You'll know when you need it, as performance will deteriate after many thousands of rounds.
Watch the video and you'll eventually get it back together. The first time is the hardest and most frustrating. I've only done it once or twice, so not a big deal.
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I had a MK III. Takedown was (and is) a pain. I disassembled it a couple of times. That was enough for me. I fired thousands of rounds through it and only cleaned the bore and whatever parts I could get to without taking it apart. Ran like a charm until the day I sold it. Great pistol. Don't clean it and you'll enjoy it a lot more.
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I've been shooting Ruger 22 autos since 1964 when I bought a used Ruger Standard made sometime in the 1950s. The gun is still my varmint gun and has never been disassembled. Get a Boresnake and a tooth brush and clean what you can reach. Disassembly is highly over-rated and a pain.
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I like having a .22 semi pistol in the stable because, not only is it fun, I think it's a great training tool to help identify and eliminate flinching.

I have a Browning Buckmark and, although it pains me to say it because I have a deep love and loyalty to Browning (and S&W ) - I really dislike the Buckmark. Mine is incredibly picky with ammo.

With the Ruger MK IV being released MK IIIs can be had *really* inexpensively. A LGS has one for something like $240 right now.

Can anyone comment on the MK III takedown issue? People talk about it being a real pain. And what is peoples' experiences with how the MK IIIs do with different ammo?

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I'll bite. I have 7 MK II/III/IV's so know a bit about this.
The takedown issue (IMHO) is way over blown. To take it down /put it together, you just need to understand where the hammer and strut are/need to be. There are plenty of Utube vids on how to figure that out.
The problem arises: a) when people try to clean the gun once a year without reference , b) don't have a clue where the hammer/strut is in the process, c) all of the above.

The other thing to note is that a Ruger MK II/III/IV should only need to be taken apart every 7500K rounds or so. Between that, just spray her down with some gun scrubber and finish a couple drops of lube to the bolt here and there. Taking the gun apart really doesn't get you to much more than can be cleaned via this method.
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I love my Buckmark. It shoots great and has no trouble with ammo it's designed to use (subsonic isn't a good idea). I taught my wife to shoot with that pistol.

But I would trade it in a heartbeat for the right MkII. There isn't a lot of difference between it and the MkIII when it comes to the way they shoot. A MkII with a 10" barrel and a competition trigger is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot. It's crazy accurate out to about 60 yards. It shoots better than a lot of .22 rifles I've seen.
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Wow - excellent perspectives. It's kind of why I asked: One of the things I've learned is that the internet emboldens some to amplify their voices and make them think they're experts.

"OMG - breaking down a MK III is absolutely *HORRIFIC*. I mean - defusing a nuclear bomb is much much MUCH easier than breaking down that bad MK III. You're an absolute fool to buy one!"



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I have a MkII Slabside Target (looks like a twin to the bottom far right pic a few posts up). The first time I took it apart it took me an hour or so to get it back together. The second time took about 6-7 minutes. I never got faster than that because I only take it down every 3-4 years.
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This MKIII is over 10 years old with many thousands of rounds of enjoyment, and a few little goodies added over the years. In more than 50 years of owning and enjoying Ruger MKI-MKIIIs, I've stripped ( field strip and detail strip) them so many times that is no issue at all. Get one and enjoy it.

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Not to hijack this thread but any opinions on the MK1? Would the 3 or 4 be a better option? Thanks for any info on this.
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Been an excellent shooter since day 1 with no complaints (MKII). You can't go wrong with any of them although I believe the IV has some sort of a recall.
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Not to hijack this thread but any opinions on the MK1? Would the 3 or 4 be a better option? Thanks for any info on this.
For those wanting to mount a rail and scope, many of the early MK I and MK II aren't drilled/tapped for it. I do know the MK II
Competition Targets are both drilled/tapped, and I think the Gov't. model is also. Maybe some others, but keep it in mind because many of us guys with old eyes are using some type of scope.
As I mentioned earlier, the MK III has a loaded chamber indicator, which not only causes problems, but detracts from the looks. So, if you're asking III or IV, my vote is for the IV. As mentioned above, there is a recall on all MK IV's for the safety fix. Not a big deal, and the ones built after June 1 already have the new safety.
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The MK1 would likely be a good shooter "as is". However it does lack the changes made in the MK II (and some would agre the MK III as well.)
-Mags- The MK1 uses a different mag. They can be harder to find and more costly when you do.
- Sights-The MK 1 does not come drilled and tapped. The sights are what they are.
-Grips- They use a different grip than the latter models. Option can be limited.
-Action- The MK 1 does not have the last round hold open feature.
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"-Mags- The MK1 uses a different mag. They can be harder to find and more costly when you do"

Nope. They are easily found. The SM, MK I, and MK II can all use the same magazine with the slot on both sides. And I think Mk III mags will work fine in any of the earlier Rugers. You just need to swap the follower stud side, about a 30 second job. The Mec-Gar mags work fine, about $15. I have an original SM mag, a MK II mag (Mec-Gar), and a MK III mag. They are all OK in my SM.
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I've been shooting Ruger 22 autos since 1964 when I bought a used Ruger Standard made sometime in the 1950s. The gun is still my varmint gun and has never been disassembled. Get a Boresnake and a tooth brush and clean what you can reach. Disassembly is highly over-rated and a pain.
I have three mk3 pistols two of which were hammer' guns.
The barrel bedding rings are distorted from the welding process requiring a hammer for takedown/reassembly.
After some hand fitting they work like they should have from the factory...smooth as butter!
Takedown: less than a minute
Reassembly: less than two minutes
Don't need cleaning... That's pure BS!
Even with the magazine disconnect installed, the hammer positioned at haif-cock will allow reassembly without doing the mk3 dance.

And I need to grow a pair? REALLY??
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You might want to look at the S&W SW22. Was released about 2 years ago. It was my first pistol and I wanted something that I could clean with ease.
The only ammo that I found problematic was Remington 22 Thunderbolt.
But that ammo was sometimes problematic with my bolt action rifle!
I currently am using Federal Automatch without any problems.
It is a very accurate pistol and heaver than my M&P Pro but my groups at 50' are much better with the SW22. I still have a lot to learn with both pistols.
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I have several Ruger Mark II’s and Mark III’s, my favorite semi auto rimfire is my Mark II Govt. Model. I have never really thought of the take down and reassembly as an issue. It is funny though, over the years as the range master for our regional police academy I have had a dozen or so brought to me in a plastic zip lock baggie. Guys would take them apart and not be able to get them back together again. Several of those were where the owners decided to start knocking out pins though.

When I first heard of the Mark IV I was excited and planned to pick one up when they first came out. I haven’t done so yet as I really don’t like the looks of the extras on the gun. I think the pinnacle of the Ruger line is the Mark III. Just the upgrade from the heel clip magazine release to the magazine release button makes a world of difference.

We used an old Mark I target model as a training gun on the range for 15 years and replaced it with a 22/45 Mark III about ten years or so ago. That gun has had probably 50 thousand plus rounds through it over the years and has been completely taken down and cleaned only 3 or 4 times.

Regardless of the version of Ruger .22 semi auto you use, install a red dot sight on top of it and face off against a bank of steel plates, spinner targets or plain tin cans. Its impossible to pull the trigger more than a dozen times without a big smile on your face.
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I grew up with an old used MK I 6", and shot the daylights out of it.
Bear in mind this was LONG before the internet and no access to any info on disassembly/reassembly.
Will always recall that first time - wow. Yes, I eventually learned the drill, but until then, grips off, and an overnight soak in kerosene with the bolt held open worked great. Tiny bit of lube here and there and she was ready for another year.

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Not to hijack this thread but any opinions on the MK1? Would the 3 or 4 be a better option? Thanks for any info on this.
I like the MKII's because they have no Mag disconnect which is something I immediately remove on my MKIII's.

In an ideal world, regardless of model, you will have a better shooting gun if you install a Volquartsen trigger kit in your gun. It is not mandatory, but your enjoyment of that firearm will improve exponentially.
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" I think the pinnacle of the Ruger line is the Mark III. Just the upgrade from the heel clip magazine release to the magazine release button makes a world of difference."

One worthwhile addition to the earlier Ruger .22s is a replacement magazine release catch on the butt. The standard catch is small and is difficult to manipulate. There is one available which is larger and much more easily released, and it's fairly inexpensive.

Speaking of older Rugers with the butt magazine catch, another recommendation is to file a small bevel on the back surface of the magazine body just above the floorplate. Remove the floorplate and spring first. It makes it far easier to withdraw as the magazine catch will not hang up on it. It takes maybe a minute to do.

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I love my MK4 Hunter,Only issue was the Factory Trigger....Somehow they went backwards between the MK3 and MK4 in the Trigger department.I installed a Volquartsen accurizing kit and now it's a nice crisp 1.5-2lb trigger.
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I like having a .22 semi pistol in the stable because, not only is it fun, I think it's a great training tool to help identify and eliminate flinching.

I have a Browning Buckmark and, although it pains me to say it because I have a deep love and loyalty to Browning (and S&W ) - I really dislike the Buckmark. Mine is incredibly picky with ammo.

With the Ruger MK IV being released MK IIIs can be had *really* inexpensively. A LGS has one for something like $240 right now.

Can anyone comment on the MK III takedown issue? People talk about it being a real pain. And what is peoples' experiences with how the MK IIIs do with different ammo?

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Just to relay a small factoid.... Bought an old, had not recently been fired buckmark micro... It ate all ammo expediently..... Noticed It had no buffer installed.. …promptly installed the buffer and guess what...Stoppages!
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Not to hijack this thread but any opinions on the MK1? Would the 3 or 4 be a better option? Thanks for any info on this.
I bought a couple of mark Is after my Mark III and ended up selling it.My standard is totally stock and the trigger was easy to get used to.The target has large grips and a trigger job and is a great shooter too.The only negative is the bolt not locking open after the last round,but I prefer them over the modern versions.
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I have three MKII's, a MKIII, and a new MKIV. I got my first MKII over 30 years ago and have never found any of them overly difficult to field strip, although I admit the MKIV is a piece of cake.

Although I didn't find the MKIII difficult to field strip, I did add a Majestic Speed Strip kit to it which made it downright simple. I would not hesitate to recommend a MKIII if you don't have one.

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