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Old 08-09-2017, 09:13 PM
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In the past I never thought about buying a new gun that I consider a collectible at the time of purchase nor in the future. Let's say in 1976. My ruger police service six with the the bi centinal inscription. Fast forward to now 40 years later I seen one gf32 a 1977 without the bi centinal inscription sell for $750. I'm thinking with me being the orginal owner with box and papers it's worth about $1,000 to a ruger collector. This police service six is a fixed rear sight, 357 mag with a 2 3/4" battalion in stainless. This is a example to make my point what might not be collectible when we bought it, in time it becomes a collectible. Any gun can become a collectible and sought after. Some do and some don't.
Just look at the older H&R 22cal revolvers. I think that H&R exploited the 22 cal revolver market by offering so many different models. Yet there still affordable. Why hasn't their prices gone up? IDK. There old enough. They were used by plinkers, hunters, trappers? I see the colts and s&w 22cal revolvers soaring pricewise. There all from the same era?

Another point is to take care of what you own someday it might be a collectible.

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Kids today don't want grandpa's old gun. They want the latest and greatest tacitcool gun available. So grandpas old gun gets sold or taken to the pawn shop.

The market is flooded with old hand me downs.
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When Winchester did make their commerative editions of their 1894 winchester rifles and carbines everyone thought they'd be collectable. Problem was they made so many of them in each edition that even now they can be had for a decent price. I bought a Canadian Centennial carbine years back for $400 and liked it so much that when I turned 65 I got the rifle version with 26" barrel NIB for $600. Course now that Winchester is no longer making 1894 rifles (Made in Japan now) maybe prices will go up. Not holding my breath on that one. Bought them because I liked them not to collect. Frank
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I read somewhere in here that the Model 12 isn't very collectible due to the ware and tear on the aluminium frame. Not sure how true that is.
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I read somewhere in here that the Model 12 isn't very collectible due to the ware and tear on the aluminium frame. Not sure how true that is.
Your comment nicely illustrates the confusion that frequently arises: what exactly do we mean by collectible?

There are really two kinds of people who call themselves collectors: collectors who are interested in owning the guns for technical or historical reasons and investors who buy guns hoping they will increase in value (of course there are "hybrid" collectors with feet in both categories too ).

For the first kind, let's say someone who is building a representative collection of fixed-sight K-frames, the Model 12 is very collectible, and the early all-aluminum guns with the aluminum cylinder that you shouldn't shoot at all are the most collectible, since they're not that easy to find. Whether they'd be a good investment for the second type of value collector is a different question.

So whether a gun is collectible depends entirely on your collecting mission.
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My Ford Pinto was a rust bucket. If it was still around I guess it would be collectable too.
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I don't like to own "collectible" guns but I like to collect guns. I am fascinated by the history and different functions of guns. I'm a younger guy and still working on my "collection". But I want guns that I can shoot every now and then without worrying about their worth depreciating. But I like to be able to feel the history of old SA and DA revolvers, 1911's, and have guns with unique designs of some sort. I'm really getting the urge to get a Colt Pocket Hammerless in .380 and a Colt Vest Pocket in 25 ACP because I think they're beautiful guns and wouldn't mind firing a few rounds through them every once in a while
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I can relate it to muscle cars. Cars that were desirable back in the day, are very desireable $$$$ now. As an example, 1960s Ford GT-350 Mustangs. Desireable then, super desirable to buyers now. The same year Mustang with inline-6 engine, 3 speed manual transmission, 4-bolt wheels etc, not desirable then or now. Sort of like S&Ws then and now, as opposed to H&Rs. Yes, I understand there will always be exceptions.
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Like coins, and many other collectibles their value is in large part driven by how many were made or the survivability rate, compounded by things like condition and provenance.
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[QUOTE=Glashaus;139700972]Everything is collectible to someone, the trick is finding that someone to sell them the junk that you own[/QUOTE

I didn't start out to be a collector and don't consider myself to be a "collector" now, even though Mrs Lobo keeps asking why I need so many guns. It's just that I have never sold a firearm that I bought or inherited. I have only one firearm that is over 100 yrs old and it's not considered a collectible. Another that, to me, has a special significance, a pre-victory, but not considered a collectible by the "collectors". At 23 firearms I guess it's not considered much of a collection but thats OK by me cause it's my own collection and all are worth keeping.
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Back when I ran ads and bought some guns -
A lady called me.
She had just moved here and had some inherited family 'collector' guns that she wanted to sell.
They were in the trunk of her car and all long guns.
And they were Hardware store models, rusty and ugly.
Like the ones you see on restaurant walls.
When I told her that they had little value and I didn't want them, she started to cry.
I recommended that she take them to a local GS for a second opinion and beat a hasty retreat.
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Kids today don't want grandpa's old gun. They want the latest and greatest tacitcool gun available. So grandpas old gun gets sold or taken to the pawn shop.

The market is flooded with old hand me downs.
And I picked up a few and have them in my safe.

I saw a 1990s Sig P228 box manual and test target sell for $1,775.00 on GB, that got my attention. I've got two and a P220, in similar shape I'm holding onto for a bit longer.
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When Winchester did make their commerative editions of their 1894 winchester rifles and carbines everyone thought they'd be collectable. Problem was they made so many of them in each edition that even now they can be had for a decent price. I bought a Canadian Centennial carbine years back for $400 and liked it so much that when I turned 65 I got the rifle version with 26" barrel NIB for $600. Course now that Winchester is no longer making 1894 rifles (Made in Japan now) maybe prices will go up. Not holding my breath on that one. Bought them because I liked them not to collect. Frank
Well said Frank! Too many is correct. Plus the fact they were not period correct. Should have been made on the 1873 or 76 versions! Friend bought the Oliver Winchester Edition for around $600 in 38-55. Be lucky to get what he paid for it now.
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Your comment nicely illustrates the confusion that frequently arises: what exactly do we mean by collectible?

There are really two kinds of people who call themselves collectors: collectors who are interested in owning the guns for technical or historical reasons and investors who buy guns hoping they will increase in value (of course there are "hybrid" collectors with feet in both categories too ).

For the first kind, let's say someone who is building a representative collection of fixed-sight K-frames, the Model 12 is very collectible, and the early all-aluminum guns with the aluminum cylinder that you shouldn't shoot at all are the most collectible, since they're not that easy to find. Whether they'd be a good investment for the second type of value collector is a different question.

So whether a gun is collectible depends entirely on your collecting mission.
When it comes to collectable to me it means the object is expensive because everyone wants one (example model 19 2.5in or P&R K frame 3in) Anything can be a collectable if it's meant to fit into a certain spot. Like your example of the fixed sight K frame. The H&R 22cal revolver can be collectable to someone trying to fill a collection of all 22cal revolvers from XYZ date even though the gun itself is not a collectable.

Of course there are the other kinds as well

Some common guns while not exactly collectable are becoming desirable. Take a look at the early Glock 17 & 19, gen1. I know....it's still a Glock and nothing much has changed. They grew some rails and finger groves. However, I never see them at gun stores. I see tons of used Glocks of all calibers, nothing unusual there but it rare to find a gen 1. I managed to buy one a few months back. With all paperwork and box. Barely been used. Now I didn't buy it because of it's rarity, I bought it for they're reputation but as I was doing the paperwork I was talking to the salesman about it and what he said was very interesting. These guns come in all the time but they rarely last an hour on the shelf. Soon as someone sees a gen1 G17/19 they buy it on the spot. So while they're not valuable they seem to have a collector like following


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I can relate it to muscle cars. Cars that were desirable back in the day, are very desireable $$$$ now. As an example, 1960s Ford GT-350 Mustangs. Desireable then, super desirable to buyers now. The same year Mustang with inline-6 engine, 3 speed manual transmission, 4-bolt wheels etc, not desirable then or now. Sort of like S&Ws then and now, as opposed to H&Rs. Yes, I understand there will always be exceptions.
Then there's always cars like the Edsel. Not desirable then, desirable today.

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If I buy a collectible I wouldn't shoot it. What fun is that?

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Your comment nicely illustrates the confusion that frequently arises: what exactly do we mean by collectible?

There are really two kinds of people who call themselves collectors: collectors who are interested in owning the guns for technical or historical reasons and investors who buy guns hoping they will increase in value (of course there are "hybrid" collectors with feet in both categories too ).

For the first kind, let's say someone who is building a representative collection of fixed-sight K-frames, the Model 12 is very collectible, and the early all-aluminum guns with the aluminum cylinder that you shouldn't shoot at all are the most collectible, since they're not that easy to find. Whether they'd be a good investment for the second type of value collector is a different question.

So whether a gun is collectible depends entirely on your collecting mission.
Absalom, I think you "nailed it" with this!

For me, when I started buying handguns in 1985, I bought mostly semi-auto pistols (and of course a few AR's) with a few revolvers (J frames mostly), but about 10-15 years ago I began buying older revolvers (K frames, L frames, Ruger Security Six series, Colts, and now starting into N frames), much like the revolvers that friends of my father, etc. had, and would let me shoot, as my father was not much into handguns (he was a rifle and shotgun man).

Next thing I knew my collection was increasing, as I would find and hold a revolver while remembering an old friend, acquaintance, friend of my father, etc. that had one, and I would be back in the early/mid 70's (at least in my mind), no doubt I bought them.

So while most of what I've bought/collected are "shooters" and probably have little "collector" value to anyone else, to me they bring a smile to my face, are priceless, and take me back to a simpler time, my childhood.
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I have noticed too that many regular models have increased in value than the commemorative editions they made too many of. But stuff I have has proved a better investment than the Nascar Diecast my son and I sunk money into. Made way too many of them. I should have know better!
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I try and buy quality. Case in point, the pre-27 I got last spring. Pics on gunbroker were poor.
But in researching it I decided to bite. Ended up being a nightstand gun with little use or wear.
Paid about$700.00, worth about 1100.00. In that way, the price goes up (A little). It's
sorta collectible.

Lately I've been buying SIG police trade in guns. I could not justify buying one at the "new"
price but can do it with the "surplus" price.And they are SIG'S. They shoot better than I can,
and once they have been reabsorbed into the national market the price will again climb.

The reference I use for that is the Model 64's. They are still being sold off as surplus
correctional facility guns so the price is still low. Once that source dries up they will climb.
That is due to demand for a simple, reliable weapon and the material they are made of.

But since I'm a shooter and not a "pure" collector, my stuff is used and not totally pristine.

The only one I bought I really feel bad about was a Bakal 12ga Single shot that Kmart sold
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Yes it would. Good condition Pinto's are bringing more money now than what they sold for new in the early 70's. Especially the station wagons, they regularly sell for $5-6,000, sometimes more if relatively low miles. I owned a pinto wagon in the day. It makes me sick what I could get for it today. And do not get me started on the Mustang II's that nobody wanted because "they are not real Mustangs". I had one of those also. The fastback's are bringing very good money now.
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My Ford Pinto was a rust bucket. If it was still around I guess it would be collectable too.
In 2015 my friend and I found a '65 Mustang Fastback V8 code. Total survivor, needed no body work original paint. When these were built they were done cheaply(bend and spot weld)

Cost us $3500 to buy(owner told us he knew its value, he was low).. sold it for lots more...

I also remember my friends in the '70s with '70s muscle cars wadding them up on a regular basis. If we only knew then.
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I believe your right and I think it's up to us older folks to change that. My 8 year old grandson, thanks to me, has become a huge WWII buff, watching documentaries and WWII movies with me when he's here at our house. And he's the one requesting to watch these when he gets here, favoring these over cartoons or other kids shows. If I offered him my Larue AR or my WWII era M1 Garand he would take the M1 in a heartbeat. It's up to us to change the mindset of this future generation.
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The market is flooded with old hand me downs.
I don't think it's any different than previous generations. Did kids in the 50s want an old musket or a cool Garand or 1911?.


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I believe your right and I think it's up to us older folks to change that. My 8 year old grandson, thanks to me, has become a huge WWII buff, watching documentaries and WWII movies with me when he's here at our house. And he's the one requesting to watch these when he gets here, favoring these over cartoons or other kids shows. If I offered him my Larue AR or my WWII era M1 Garand he would take the M1 in a heartbeat. It's up to us to change the mindset of this future generation.
My 19 year old cousin has always been a history buff. Watches History/Discovery channels...etc.. His birthday was just in March and I gave him my 120 year old free mason encyclopedia. Since then he's read most of it and looked up what he didn't know!

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When Winchester did make their commerative editions of their 1894 winchester rifles and carbines everyone thought they'd be collectable. Problem was they made so many of them in each edition that even now they can be had for a decent price. I bought a Canadian Centennial carbine years back for $400 and liked it so much that when I turned 65 I got the rifle version with 26" barrel NIB for $600. Course now that Winchester is no longer making 1894 rifles (Made in Japan now) maybe prices will go up. Not holding my breath on that one. Bought them because I liked them not to collect. Frank
Hope so!
I have a model 94 NRA centennial rifle (not musket) (1871-1971) like new in box given to me by dad in 1992. Beautiful firearm. Can't believe they are only valued at around $700. Will keep it.
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Everything is collectible to someone, the trick is finding that someone to sell them the junk that you own
A man at an antique mall once told me:
"I buy junk and sell antiques"...............that's how they make their money.
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My advice to new collectors is buy the real stuff.
Avoid commeratives!
Buy what you like.
If you change your mind, sell -trade off what you got for what you want.
If you like commeratives, then by all means buy them.
Just remember they are usually over priced and can be difficult to sell.
Commeratives are kind of like timeshares.
They are overhyped, over priced and hard to sell when you own them!
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I was into the surplus military guns first, back when they were affordable and available. But about the last two decades I seen prices on some of them soar in a short time. As time went on the surplus ammo dried up first. Then the surplus military rifles started to dry up. Your Turkish m38/8mm Mauser isn't $39.99 anymore it's $400 now. Talk about the m41 Johnson these were $1,000 at one gun show, every gun show after they were up a $1,000 more that year. I think they leveled off at $7,000 the last time I seen them. The German 98k sniper rifles were the same way they were $1,000 at the time and went up slowly. Recently the Swedish mausers just went up price wise these were long over due. A hobby of collecting and shooting these old war horses just became expensive.

I once went to a black powder gun show by accident. Talk about prices?
My misses came with me. At the time she was complaining about what the surplus military guns were costing. The blackpowder guns were $3,000 plus there. Things got really quiet when I told her I might collect a few blackpowder guns next. I got the evil eye while I was laughing inside. But they are awesome to look at.

I wonder where the older s&w guns will be in the next decade price wise. The colt Python is proof the prices are going to explode across the board. The s&w n frames are proof it's starting. I've seen these prices getting close to $2k online. The average seems to be hitting $1,500.

I don't buy to collect I buy to shoot and enjoy them but I also take care of them. We never know what they will be worth in the future.
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I use to run people down that collected Beanie Babies, Franklin
Mint and like junk. Look how these items ended up worthless!
They never had any value or use. I look at guns the same way
and always have since I was a little kid. There are some guns that were low quality and had very little practical value or use.
People are free to collect what they want but are in for a rude
awakening when they go to "cash in" their collections. I have
seen reactions ranging from indignant to tears. True collectors
items are a safe bet, manufactured collectors items will turn out
to be a dead loss. Fad drives the prices of most of these collectibles, when fad fades so do the prices. Billy Beer anyone?
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Billy Beer???

Put it back in the horse!!!
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Mauser9 and VaTom, saw a listing way back when and it gave the numbers of each edition. Think the most of anyone edition was 10,000 rifles or carbines. I could see doing the Canadian Centennial rifle and carbine either separately or in a set which they did, but doing a Dale Ernhart racing driver was a bit much. Cherry's Fine Guns still has a bunch for sale if interested. Most calibers were 30-30, 32-40 John Wayne I think and 38-55 as far as I can remember. As far as doing them on the 1873 and 1876 frames winchester hadn't made either of those frames in decades. Would have probably cost a bit more if done on the 1873 or 1876 frames. The 1873 was mostly pistol calibers while the 1876 were rifle calibers. Now if they had done a bunch of 1892's in 25-20 or 32-20, 44 special then they might have had something. But we'll never know. Frank
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My furry collection are worth $100 each now. I gave most of them to my friends kids and relatives. I wanted them to have them.
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