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Old 08-12-2017, 09:48 PM
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I've been reading about CZ pistols and think I want to try one.
Buds has some surplus 75 B's that may be an option. I've also seen one online locally that has the omega trigger.
What would you recommend? I'm mostly wanting a hammer fired metal CZ as I have a couple poly striker guns already.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:38 PM
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I'm not an Omega owner, but the consensus is that the standard non-Omega action can be made better than the Omega. That is why the Competition models like the Tactical Sport, Shadow Series, TS Czechmate, etc. are not Omega.

This recent thread has many comments about CZ's, and might be of interest. Wanting a really accurate 9m/m.

If it might be a carry choice, and you'd prefer not to carry cocked-and-locked, then a decocker model saves you from having to manually lower the hammer on a loaded chamber.

They are good shooters and odds are you'll like one, or more than one.


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Old 08-12-2017, 10:54 PM
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I've owned a few CZ's (no omega) and the triggers can be a **** shoot. Spent some money with Cajun gun works to improve a stainless 75B, then bought a SP-01 with as good a trigger out of the box. Dry fire it before you buy and make your decision. Money can fix anything!
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Standard CAN be made better but that whole thing is one of the reasons why I do not own a CZ. Not in "can be" and gunsmithing, either by me or someone else. It either works for me when new in box or doesn't. For that reason I like Omega. It's a smoother DA pull.

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I had wanted a CZ 75 off and on since I first learned about them through the writings of Jeff Cooper way back when. But with one thing and another, I didn't get around to it until earlier this year, when I saw some of the early (what I wanted) pre B model 75s that were being imported from Israel by CDI. Very good buy, the one I got is like new, except for some storage dings in the finish. I know that there are many variations available now, compact, with and without the de cocker, etc. Cooper liked the original because it was capable of being carried "cocked and locked", and that is still one of its strong points, and perhaps, as BWZ points out, one of its weaknesses as well. I really like mine.



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Old 08-13-2017, 01:32 AM
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I've been reading about CZ pistols and think I want to try one.
Buds has some surplus 75 B's that may be an option. I've also seen one online locally that has the omega trigger.
What would you recommend?
Reading carefully into what you said, and the comments I've read here and elsewhere (particularly the CZ forums)...

the two biggest things the Omega trigger has going for it is the quick change from safety to decock, and back again, and the trigger is smoother than a random brand new 75B trigger.

The ability to swap back and forth from safety to decock is interesting, but just in a rhetorical way. The truth is that you will decide very early what configuration you want, and leave it that way.

As for the trigger itself- CZ's smooth in famously with use.

You're mentioning a surplus CZ, the odds are decent that the pistol is close to 20 years old. That doesn't mean bad, the guns are reliable and made of steel, and the most you should need are some new recoil springs, if that. I have a couple, a 91 and an 88.
What you DO get with an old CZ is a smooth, silky trigger (even better if you get the pre B). Those guns have polished themselves in all the right places.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:32 AM
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My reason to love CZ's...... Paid for he black one(cz75b).....got home and had the stainless...what's not to love?? .... Bullseye....
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I've been wondering the same thing and thinking about getting one. My go to defensive gun for over 20 years was a cheap, EAA Witness .40 clone and I loved that gun but traded it and several other for a Yamaha Grizzly four wheeler. I fired a 3 round group off the bench once that was 3/4" and I would love to have that gun back. I did own a CZ 75 Omega a couple of years ago and it was very accurate and had a great single action trigger pull but the D/A trigger pull was VERY heavy. If I had my choice I would probably get the regular 75b but the Omega guns are sometimes cheaper, I paid $419 shipped and if I could find one again at that price I would snatch it quickly. I guess it really doesn't matter both guns can have springs swapped or a little polishing and have excellent triggers. One thing to know, if you are thinking about a concealed carry gun that you wear all day long those guns are HEAVY when fully loaded.

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Old 08-13-2017, 10:50 AM
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I have a 75 BD Police (decocker model) with the standard trigger. It had a great trigger out of the box, but as others have said, sometimes the new ones are a little stiff and gritty. They all smooth in though and the guns are super accurate. Another plus with the CZ 75s is there are a ton of less expensive magazines out there (not branded CZ, but the Mecgar ones and all the clones).
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The primary question on whether or not to purchase a CZ with an Omega trigger v.s. Standard comes down to one question. Are you the type of firearms enthusiast that does not want to spend time and $$$ to modify triggers? Some take pride in modifying everything. Some people just want something that is as good as the factory can make it within a price point.

If you're one who wants to tinker and modify, purchase a standard CZ75. You can swap in and out springs, sears, etc to adjust double action trigger pull, single action trigger feel, etc. Quality parts can cost $$$.

If you want a nice all-round trigger, go for the Omega. It has a smoother double action trigger pull.

Lately, I've found myself to be less than motivated or inclined to modify a factory trigger. I've finally accrued enough trigger time to discover my preferences. If the pistol doesn't fit my hand or trigger feels odd out of the box, I don't buy it. Consequently, my firearms buying has slowed down. Given this background, I confess to owning three CZ's:
  • A 75B high polish stainless, 2016 new.
  • A lightly used 2013 75B.
  • A CZ 75D PCR 2016 new.

One BBQ gun. One range shooter. One carry gun. I find the triggers on all to be acceptable as they are, no tinkering. The double action trigger pull on all three feel the same to me, producing similar results on paper. The single action on the regular 75B is a touch nicer via wear in. I shoot the regular 75B more than the BBQ gun. The single action on the decock only PCR is a little less nice than either of the two safety only models. I suspect it would be very difficult for a new to intermediate firearms enthusiast to be able to discern the small difference.

Why did I not choose an Omega? The "improved" double action trigger pull does not provide me any real practical improvement on target. I prefer the standard SA trigger feel on the pistols I own.
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:28 AM
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The Omega trigger system is simpler and cheaper to produce from the manufacturers stand point. Out of the box the trigger pull weights are a little lighter than a 75B model. More so the SA often being a pound or more lighter than a new 75B model. Both will break in nicely after dry fire/rounds, but the 75B will end up better. I own two Omega CZ'S (P-07 and P-09) and numerous 75 models (2 Pre-B's, Sp-01, P-01, and Rami). My P-01 was a Israeli surplus gun and it had a very smooth 7.6 pound DA and a 3.5 pound SA. My stock P-09 or 07 after a lot of dry firing and about 500 rounds the DA was 8.5-9 pounds. The SA was decent at about 4 pounds. But, the one horrible part of the Omega system to me is the mile of pre travel take up in SA and the long SA reset distance. Both my 09/07 now have CGW parts and it's better, but no where near my 75B models. If upgrades were in the future for either than it is no contest as the trigger in a upgraded 75B is much better than an upgraded Omega.

If you want the best trigger in a CZ buy one of the surplus pistols. They will be nicely broken in with some to a lot of finish wear. Maybe replace a few springs and it should be ready to rock. If you want the absolute best get a Pre-B. But, there are some downsides to the Pre-B's as well. Most can only take the more expensive Pre-B magazines, can't replace the front sight, and there is a spring and detent hiding in the safety that isn't fun to deal with, and is worse if you loose it. The absolutely best models of the surplus guns are the transitional Pre-B that were made around the '94-'96 time frame. They have the updated cosmetics of the 75B's, can accept cheap Mec-Gar 75B mags and do not have a firing pin block for the best trigger.

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I bought a CZ75B Omega new a couple years ago(think the gun is dated 2014 manufacture)

Nice pistol...good trigger single and double action. They come with a test fire target...and my guns target was awful!...I was scared to try it the test fire target was so bad. But no issues as the pistol is perfectly accurate and well regulated right from the box.

My best guess on the bad test target is that the Czechs just shoot to assure function and don't care how good they place the grouping...
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I've had the 75B Omega for several years. It's a joy to shoot and has given me zero problems.

I won't say the trigger is the best in the world, but it's quite good and had gotten better over the years.
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Just get the surplus pre B and don't look back. It is the best CZ ever made.
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Thank you for all of the responses. I ended up ordering a 75 B from Buds.
Most of the reviewers actually received a BD, which seems pretty cool.
It should be in next week. I can't wait to check it out.
Again, I appreciate all the information and opinions.
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My only experience with this type of platform was a Tanfoglio TZ-75. It felt very good in my hand, and fed everything I ever put into the magazine, FMJ, RNL, HP, JFP. Trouble was, it eventually started giving me light strikes, requiring a second pull on the trigger - major no-no in a defensive piece. Ammo made no diff, primers made no diff, it simply would not fire every time ! I've not yet had the opportunity to try a CZ, but heck, I'm only 70, there's time.

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It should be in next week. I can't wait to check it out.
Don't forget to post a range report with your first impressions. And of course we like pictures also.
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Thank you for all of the responses. I ended up ordering a 75 B from Buds.
Most of the reviewers actually received a BD, which seems pretty cool.
It should be in next week. I can't wait to check it out.
Again, I appreciate all the information and opinions.
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Good luck I personally would not want a BD if I was expecting a B. Different manuals of operation. The BD is a DA/SA gun while the B can operate as a DA/SA or SAO gun.

Post a range report when it comes in.
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... the B can operate as a DA/SA ...
Only if you manually lower the hammer on a loaded chamber. I bought a 75B, but now wish it was a BD for that reason.
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No omega here either. I have both a CZ 75B 9mm Luger and a CZ 85 Combat in 9mm Luger for full size CZ:s and can recommend both.
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I waited many decades to join the 9mm pistol gang. I picked up a used, unshot cz85db. It's a amberdexterious cz75. I wanted a pistol for my left hand I'm right handed but I am amberdexterious anyway. What a awesome 9mm pistol it is I like the double action first shot. Seeing the quality of the cz pistols I looked at the cz83/cz82 too. Same cz quality. With a 19rd magazine load on Sunday shoot all week.
Someday I'll get a cz75db too.

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