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Old 09-16-2017, 10:39 AM
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This IS NOT a real gun. It's a made in Japan toy that does everything but shoot. It cannot fire by any means. It is very heavy and probably ther same as a real one. My dad bought it at a flea market for $15 around 1987. As soon as he showed it to me I slapped $15 in his hand and it was mine. Finally I had a gun like my hero Sgt. Saunders (Vic Morrow) of Combat used. It's just a grown up toy version of the Mattel Tommy Gun I had as a kid.


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And just like Sgt Saunders you'll never run out of ammo
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And just like Sgt Saunders you'll never run out of ammo
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If it can't shoot then what is everything else it can do?
It looks real enough you don't even want to walk around outside with it.

Years ago one of my neighbors actually fired off a machine gun outside of his house. BRRRRRRRIT BRRRRRRRRRIT. I never saw the gun but there was no doubt what I heard.
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Cool.

Somebody local has a Detonics? brand non-firing reproduction for sale. It looks pretty realistic too, even slightly more than yours.

Wouldn't mind owning the real deal, or at least shooting the real deal.
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Owning and shooting the real deal is actually a lot of fun!



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Yes, the "real deal" is lots of fun. We had one from our Sheriffs dept whenever we were teaching a new class of deputies for orientation.
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If it can't shoot then what is everything else it can do?
It looks real enough you don't even want to walk around outside with it.

Years ago one of my neighbors actually fired off a machine gun outside of his house. BRRRRRRRIT BRRRRRRRRRIT. I never saw the gun but there was no doubt what I heard.
You can load the clip with real .45 ACP rounds (OOOO!!!) and work the action but of course it doesn't chamber because there is no chamber. I think it dry fires. The safety and I think the selector go on and off. In another words it's not just a one piece molded piece of metal. I found a real Thompson wood buttstock at the flea market for five bucks but I need the metal hardware to put it on.

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I see them in my LGS all the time,but have never asked to see and hole one in my hand.I will the next time in there.
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A Thompson sub machine gun is still a formidable weapon today. The biggest drawbacks are the weight and firing from an open bolt (causes climbing). I wouldn't feel outgunned in a firefight with one of these today.
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The best thing about firing the NYPD Thompsons was I wasn't paying for the ammo.
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That's neat, Matt. When I was a kid we had somewhat 'cheesy' Colt SAA with a tape roll full of--heck, I dont even know--snaps that went off. My friends and I were watching 'Transformers'. I collected 'big rigs', the semi's from movie - hero fame. Gi Joes. Masters of the Universe. Ya, I was an 80s kid. Simpler life.

Found my dad's toy guns that grandma didnt throw out when I was about 16. Neat stuff. Old tin and metal toys (motorcycles and fire trucks) i'm guessing pre-1950s. Good memories.
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That's neat, Matt. When I was a kid we had somewhat 'cheesy' Colt SAA with a tape roll full of--heck, I dont even know--snaps that went off. My friends and I were watching 'Transformers'. I collected 'big rigs', the semi's from movie - hero fame. Gi Joes. Masters of the Universe. Ya, I was an 80s kid. Simpler life.

Found my dad's toy guns that grandma didnt throw out when I was about 16. Neat stuff. Old tin and metal toys (motorcycles and fire trucks) i'm guessing pre-1950s. Good memories.
Caps, dammit, you young whippersnappers need to pay attention.
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When I was young, a neighborhood friend of mine had two surplus ww2 bolt action rifle his dad had removed the firing pins from. We used to play outside all around the neighborhood with them. No orange tips. Nobody ever looked twice.

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I had 1928A1 but sold it to do resto work on an old Chevelle. Oops!
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The LGS has a couple of 1921's for sale. They were $50,000 before they took the price tags!

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Probably someplace that few know about.

The NYPD received the first shipping Thompsons,I believe they were the Model 1919 and the lowest serial numbers.

Around 1968 they were removed from service in the Emergency Service Squads and replaced with the S&W Model 76(IMO,an awful weapon).At about the same time the Winchester M94 saddle ring carbines were retired.

Added to the squads were the mini 14 and Rem Model 700 in 223 with scope;then some years later the AR16 came alone.Other fire power available were M1 Carbines and Ithica Model 37 12 ga
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Finally I had a gun like my hero Sgt. Saunders (Vic Morrow) of Combat used. It's just a grown up toy version of the Mattel Tommy Gun I had as a kid.
I also had the Mattel Thompson. I loved the show and wanted to be Sergeant Saunders.

I've read that the Thompson was first offered to Rick Jason (Lt. Hanley), who didn't want to carry it - too heavy. Vic Morrow was stuck with it. Later, a lighter wooden one made for him to carry when shooting wasn't called for.
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"cOMBAT" IS ON yOUtUBE. i MISSED MANY EPISODES WHILE AWAY IN THE USAF AND IT'S BEEN FUN CATCHING UP.

jASON TOLD INTERVIEWERS THAT MORROW DISLIKED GUNS, ALTHOUGH LIKE MANY ACTORS, HE UseD THEM IN HIS ROLE. jASON DID OWN GUNS.

i DON'T THINK HE TURNED DOWN THE tHOMPSON. i THINK THEY GAVE HIM A .30 CARBiNE BECAUSE THAT'S WhAT LIEUTENANTS CARRiED.

thERE SEEMS TO BE JUST THE ONE tHOMPSON. mAYBE THE SET CULD AFFORD ONLY ONE OR IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE sAUNDERS'S SoRT OF SIgNATURE OR CHARACER id gUN?

jASON'S CARBINE iS TOO LATE FoR THE 1944 TimE PERIOD OF THE SHoW, HAS A BAYONET moUNT AND PROBABLY,THE iMProVED REAR SIGHT. He CARRiES A BAYONET, NOT USED YET on carbines.

oNE THING THAT BAFFLES mE IS THAT NOnE OF The SOLDIERS hAS A KNifE AND THEY NEvER CAPTuRE EnEMY WEApONS as souvenirs or to carry. Mainly pistols, in that latter role. Vets I talked to said that German pistols were highly prized. Well, so were Berettas and Jap Nambus.

thiS post is messed up and I haven't time to edit. Just figure it out . Mainly, I wanted to let you know that,"Combat" is on YouTube. The final season, 1967, is in color.

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My grandson would love a toy Thompson like that! I finally recently found him an M1 Garand toy gun, and you can load the clip and then load the clip in the gun, fire with real sound, and on the eighth shot you get to hear the ping. He loves it! Got it at Dollar General but they're hard to find. I'm hoping to come across some more to pick up for his collection
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i DON'T THINK HE TURNED DOWN THE tHOMPSON. i THINK THEY GAVE HIM A .30 CARBiNE BECAUSE THAT'S WhAT LIEUTENANTS CARRiED.
I know we're drifting here, but, for what it's worth, I read that in the Combat trivia on Internet Movie Database.
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Now I'd like to have one of those, for the same reason as the OP. Same hero even.

I'm also a child of "Combat." I've got the entire series, all six seasons I think it is on DVD. Unlike most TV shows from my childhood, it holds up quite well. Of course they seem to never run out of ammo, and if they got a Purple Heart for ever wound they'd sink the boat on the way home. No problem. They'd be back next week just as good as new.

I've also got the full set of "12 O'Clock High." That one IMHO didn't hold up as well. The year (with Robert Lansing as General Savage) or two did, but the plots quickly went downhill towards the end. Still worth watching however.
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I've been afraid.to.watch it. My all time childhood favorite " Rat Patrol" was disappointing when revivsited
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That is one cool toy! I have a buddy who has the real thing and I've shot it a few times. It is pretty easy to hit man sized targets accurately at 50 yards or so when shooting short bursts. I hate to burst your bubble, but Vic Morrow used a wooden Thompson in many scenes because he thought the real thing was too heavy to lug around. I wonder what some WWII vets would think about that?

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My childhood Hero was faster than a speeding bullet, and another had a side kick named Patrick Alewishus (SP?) and a wife named Dale Evans, then there was "who was that masked man?" with sidekick Tonto. All were a long time before Combat and such.
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Now I'd like to have one of those, for the same reason as the OP. Same hero even.

I'm also a child of "Combat." I've got the entire series, all six seasons I think it is on DVD. Unlike most TV shows from my childhood, it holds up quite well. Of course they seem to never run out of ammo, and if they got a Purple Heart for ever wound they'd sink the boat on the way home. No problem. They'd be back next week just as good as new.

I've also got the full set of "12 O'Clock High." That one IMHO didn't hold up as well. The year (with Robert Lansing as General Savage) or two did, but the plots quickly went downhill towards the end. Still worth watching however.
I watched one episode on You Tube yesterday hoping it wouldn't seem lame to me now. It was excellent. Here it is below. Because the show was in b&w at first, mixing actual German WW2 action footage blended in well here.
I bought the entire series box set of The Wild Wild West. This held real well because it was so campy in the first place. For those who haven't seen Combat!, here's a taste of it...

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A gunshop in a nearby town runs events for shooting full auto weapons every so often.There's a small fee plus ammo.

The plus ammo is the thing to watch out for.

I figured 1 minute on the 50cal BMG would drain my bank account quicker than a card skimmer at a gas station.
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My dad was a WWII vet, in the Wehrmacht, captured by the Americans, October 1944. Combat was strictly verboten in our house as was Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, 12 O Clock High, etc.
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I had a "1903" type rifle, with a bayonet, as a kid, that was made in TN. There was one company that made a nice looking "Luger" that used the green cap rolls and I wore two of those out. My cousin had a "1911" type toy pistol and when the trigger was pulled, the slide actually moved to the rear. It too, accepted the green cap rolls.

I didn't have a toy Thompson but, did have an "M14" and when the batteries were in the "magazine" it produced a thumping sound for semi and full auto modes.

I finally acquired my "Thompson", an Auto Ordinance, semi automatic version and it filled the desire that I had to own one. My Dad carried one during his tenure with the 32nd Inf. Div. in the So. Pacific.

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Back when I was a kid, one of my favorite toys was a Thompson squirt gun. It was plastic and about half-scale (no buttstock though), but the molding was very detailed. It held a lot of water, far more than a squirt pistol, and put out a powerful stream. I have fired many full auto weapons, but a Thompson is not one of them.

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My dad was a WWII vet, in the Wehrmacht, captured by the Americans, October 1944. Combat was strictly verboten in our house as was Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, 12 O Clock High, etc.
My now deceased Viet Nam Vet friend's father (also deceased) was a POW. He was held captive in a Nazi camp. Hogan's Heroes wasn't watched in that household because his father felt it belittled the experiences of POW's held by the Nazis.
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I got to hold and shoot one at a training class. I loved that it was .45 as we were were carrying new model 645 at the time.
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Long ago, I worked with a vet who had been a POW in a German camp. As a result of that experience he had a bitter hatred for all Germans and wasn't bashful about letting the world know his feelings.
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Shot the old grease guns back in the day they were fun but a lot to hold onto
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My now deceased Viet Nam Vet friend's father (also deceased) was a POW. He was held captive in a Nazi camp. Hogan's Heroes wasn't watched in that household because his father felt it belittled the experiences of POW's held by the Nazis.
I just thought it strange that Shultz carried a Krag rifle.
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I've never had the chance to shoot a real Thompson, but when I worked in a gun store, we traded for a Volunteer Arms copy. They have a trigger on them that looks like it was made by Mattel. The gun was reliable, but not terribly accurate. You can burn through alot of .45 with one of those. They are expensive toys. And, yes, I did have flashbacks of every WWII movie I've ever seen while shooting it. Also every 1930's gangster movie I've ever seen.
That is a cool toy. I wonder if any store today would carry something like that, or ban it because it would offend the snowflakes.
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I had a "1903" type rifle, with a bayonet, as a kid, that was made in TN. There was one company that made a nice looking "Luger" that used the green cap rolls and I wore two of those out. My cousin had a "1911" type toy pistol and when the trigger was pulled, the slide actually moved to the rear. It too, accepted the green cap rolls.

I didn't have a toy Thompson but, did have an "M14" and when the batteries were in the "magazine" it produced a thumping sound for semi and full auto modes.

I finally acquired my "Thompson", an Auto Ordinance, semi automatic version and it filled the desire that I had to own one. My Dad carried one during his tenure with the 32nd Inf. Div. in the So. Pacific.

A photo of my daughter shooting our semi auto version is attached. The target she is shooting at is not in the photo. The accuracy of this firearm is quite impressive with the "issue" sights.
I had a 1903 toy rifle as a kid.It had a genuine web sling and M1 carbine sight on it.The sling eventually went on an old .22,and the sight was given decades later to a friend that owned a few carbines.
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My now deceased Viet Nam Vet friend's father (also deceased) was a POW. He was held captive in a Nazi camp. Hogan's Heroes wasn't watched in that household because his father felt it belittled the experiences of POW's held by the Nazis.
My dad thought it belittled Germans, he absolutely despised Col. Klink. I can hear him now, "That fool wouldn't have lasted 30 minutes in the Luftwaffe." "He be busted to private and put on the next train for Russia if he was lucky."

Fortunately my father was treated very well by the Americans.
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I remember as a kid watching Combat with my Dad. As I recall the only shows he watched regularly were Combat and Gunsmoke.
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Back when I was a kid, one of my favorite toys was a Thompson squirt gun. It was plastic and about half-scale (no buttstock though), but the molding was very detailed. It held a lot of water, far more than a squirt pistol, and put out a powerful stream. I have fired many full auto weapons, but a Thompson is not one of them.
I had a plastic squirt gun Thompson in the mid-1950s that came with a butt stock. It was the neighborhood terror because of the volume of water it held. I got it for two Wheaties box tops and 50 . It lasted about 1 full summer before a seam cracked and water leaked out.
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My dad thought it belittled Germans, he absolutely despised Col. Klink. I can hear him now, "That fool wouldn't have lasted 30 minutes in the Luftwaffe." "He be busted to private and put on the next train for Russia if he was lucky."

Fortunately my father was treated very well by the Americans.
I remember my mother, who was a teen during the war, speaking of German and Italian POW's working on the farms in the area where she grew up. She said the word was that they were captured in North Africa for the most part, and almost none of them spoke any English. She did say with a wink and smile, that those German and Italian's were fine looking young men.

To keep this sort of on topic, I too had one of those Mattel Thompson's when I was a kid. I kept the Germans from overrunning eastern Hanover County, Virginia for years with it.
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Had a M1A1 while in Vietnam, traded for it from a ARVN sergeant. That one was made by Savage, WW2 vintage (also saw variations by Colt and Auto Ordnance). Relatively crude construction, compared to the 1921 and 1928 models. No compensator, stamped sheet metal rear sight, 20-round stick magazines only (would not accept the drums). Reasonably accurate to about 75 yards or so, not great at longer ranges even on semi-auto. Heavy to carry, but the weight provided pretty good control on full-auto.

Couple of years later I was on a city police department with 6 Model 1921's sitting in the armory. Apparently it had been quite some time since there was anyone who knew how to properly field-strip and clean them. I spent a few days doing that, then test-firing at the range, re-cleaning and putting them back in the vault. Shortly thereafter some genius arranged to trade them in on Colt AR-15's; IIRC the department got $300 each in trade allowance. We had a small mountain of surplus GI ammo including WW1 (1917 and 1918 headstamps) and WW2 (both brass and steel cased). I was able to liberate as much as I wanted for $0.05 per round, which I used for several years and continue to reload the brass cases now over 40 years later.

Shortly before I retired (1995) I saw Century International Arms flyers offering M1 and M1A1 Thompsons to law enforcement agencies only, priced at $250 each. Tempting, but no way to ever transfer for private ownership.
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"I remember my mother, who was a teen during the war, speaking of German and Italian POW's working on the farms in the area where she grew up. She said the word was that they were captured in North Africa for the most part, and almost none of them spoke any English."

That is true. There were huge numbers of Germans and Italians captured in North Africa, and it was easier to send them back to the US in empty boats (no shortage of those) than it was to bring in all the food and supplies that would be necessary to sustain them in POW camps located in North Africa. I guess had I been a German POW, I would have far rather sat out the war in some Texas POW camp doing menial labor than being on the eastern front fighting Russians. On the whole, the German POWs were a docile lot, they knew they had it good here, far better than Allied POWs in German camps. There were always some die-hard Nazi troublemakers in the US POW camps, but they were kept segregated from the average Feldgrau grunts who weren't really Nazis. Most of the US POW camps were located in relatively remote areas so there weren't any nearby larger cities they could easily run to and hide if they escaped.

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I shot a full Auto Thompson and a full Auto m14. The barrel rise was bad on the m14 the LGS owner didn't warn me. I held it down once I felt it.

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I remember my mother, who was a teen during the war, speaking of German and Italian POW's working on the farms in the area where she grew up. She said the word was that they were captured in North Africa for the most part, and almost none of them spoke any English.
My German-speaking uncle had German prisoners working on his Idaho farm.
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I was in Las Vegas about 12 years ago while on a Motorcycle trip. We stopped by one of the places that rents machine guns and I rented a Thompson. I still grin ear to ear when ever I look at the picture one of my bud's took while I was shooting it. Lots of fun and easy to keep on target once you get the hang of it. Unfortunately for me, my State forbids them.
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I have one of the TSMG plug fire replica made by Hudson Model Co/Japan. Don't remember where I picked it up.

Blank firing using a special cartridge that is reloadable. Fires full or semi and from an open bolt, takes down as orig, ect.
These were made in the 80's and early 90's.
The plug fire cartridge (PFC) blow back system was used on several different 'model' guns by Hudson and another mfg'r (MGC ?) at the time. Handguns as well as other SMG like the MP40, M3, ect.

Often used for screen and theatrical use as no licenses were required.
Lots of noise, flash, smoke and brass ejecting. A pain 'reloading' the 3 piece cartridges though!
I'll see if I can find it and post a pic or two.
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