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I have a fondness for 16's. Stopped in a lgs last Friday and the first thing I see are a couple boxes of Rem 16ga shells on the miscellaneous table they have set up there. Looked further up the table and see 5 more boxes of Herters brand. They are all marked 5 bucks a box so I say how much if I take all 7? He says 20 bucks and I say sold. He rings them up and tells me it came to 18.95, didn't want to fool with figuring out the price and what the tax would be to get to 20. He bags them up and while he's doing that I ask "say, was there a shotgun that came in with those shells" and he says yessir. He reaches over and grabs a double barrel, hands it to me, it is a Stevens 5100 in pretty decent condition. Price tag says $199, I say what's the best price and he comes back with $149. Ring her up!












The date code indicates that it was made in 1951, probably carried a lot and shot very little. Some case color remaning in protected areas, the 2 ivory beads are missing, it locks up tight and seems to be pretty stiff opening and closing. It has a few specks of paint that I will have to remove, shouldn't be a problem. I ran a few shells through it for function testing and passed, killed several horse apples in the process. For under 2 Benjamins I think I got a deal.

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In the last two pictures--There is a Luger in the woodpile!
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For under 2 Benjamins I think I got a deal.
Boy! I'll say you got a good deal! What a sweet little gun! I had an old Fox B 16 gauge side-by-side that one of my sons has now. I love the sixteens! Congrats on your find!
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16 ga. IMO the finest bird hunting gauge ever. Too bad it isn't in modern "vogue".
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Well done! I have a twin to that one. I am a life long fan of the 16 ga. And it was my primary gauge for forty years of bird hunting. I put five big fox squirrels in the crock pot Monday with a old Belgium Browning A5 16 ga., it was my primary birdgun when living in S. Cal, and AZ., back in the 70's. It shoots the old 2 9/16" shell.
I have a SxS 16 that I hunted with the last ten years of my bird hunting career that I have downed dozens of birds with. I concur about the 16 being the best choice for bird hunting. It's strong suit is when it is built on a 20 gauge frame rather than the heavier 12. A 6 - 6.5 lb 16 is a joy to hunt with.

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Nothing wrong with the 16 ga, except that ammo is a little difficult to find. The local Academy store usually has a few boxes on the shelf, but there's not much choice in shot size. Several years ago I ran across a plastic grocery bag with over 100 loose 16 ga shells in it at a garage sale for $5. The 16 ga has always been very popular in Europe, and it also was in the USA until the 20 ga-3" shell arrived on the scene. You got a great buy on the double.
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$149 for the gun, less than $20 for 7 boxes of ammo! On the way home did you buy a lottery ticket?
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Very nice buy. Verah nice in fact.
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I certainly wouldn't have passed that up either.
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Nice! My first gun was a Stevens 311 in 16 ga when I was 12.
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You done good. As Grannie would say, "I would rather have some peoples luck than have a license to steal". Larry
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I would have gone for that deal as well.

My 16s are a Winchester Model 12 and a
Marlin 90. The Model 12 has accounted for squirrel,
grouse, geese and one small whitetail buck. I also
hunted turkeys with it but never got a shot.

The 90 has been carried and fired at grouse but
the operator failed to connect.
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Nice! I have it's twin in a 60's flavor. Gave $175 for it at a LGS as the owner figured it would have a birthday there. Something about shooting those purple shells brings back memories!
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Sweet !
Man you did extremely well on that deal.
The 16 was my Daddy's favorite. He hunted everything from deer to birds (quail) with it.
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Oh, HELL yes! I haven't been able to hunt for years, but I always wanted (but never acquired) a sixteen gauge.

I've long liked the Stevens side-by-sides. My all-time favorite shotgun, long gone now, was a 311 in twenty gauge, 28" full and modified.
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Nice deal!!!

I used to shoot a 16 gauge in cowboy action - I still would if I ever get back to match shooting. I cannot recall if I have two or three, it's been so long, but my main match gun was a 16 gauge Model 97 Winchester - tricked out - even I could run it fairly fast!

My other 16s are long barreled goose guns, fun for CAS, too, but very slow. Early 1900s or late 1800s manufacture. An Ithaca and an LC Smith successor company, I think it is a "Fulton" model by Hunter Arms.

Due to the difficulty in obtaining 16 gauge ammunition I bought a ton of it when I could. If you come to Dallas (you're not that far!!!) let me know and I'll give you a box!

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My 16 ga is a J. C. Higgins (Sears) bolt action (tubular magazine) that I got back in the 1950s. It has one of those adjustable choke things on it. I never did use it much, and haven't fired it in at least 10 -15 years, but nothing wrong with it except it is sort of crude-looking and oddly proportioned. I don't know who made it originally for Sears. A bolt-action shotgun always seemed like a strange creature to me but it is a cheaper and simpler way to make a repeating shotgun.
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Nice

Just saw an ad for the new Browning "Sweet Sixteen" Looks really nice Perhaps 16 gauge is returning in popularity?

American Rifleman | Gun Review: Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen Shotgun

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So, are you going to tell us about that Luger?

You got a good deal on the shotgun. If it was a 12 or 20 ga., he'd have probably wanted more.

Just think of what the dealer must have paid to let you have the gun for $149!
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Oh, HELL yes! I haven't been able to hunt for years, but I always wanted (but never acquired) a sixteen gauge.

I've long liked the Stevens side-by-sides. My all-time favorite shotgun, long gone now, was a 311 in twenty gauge, 28" full and modified.
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That's a sharp looking SxS and a great buy at that price. Great condition.


The '5100' designation is actually the action style. Stevens went to 2 new styles in the mid 1930's,,the 5000 and the 5100.
The 5100 was used on the Stevens No. 530,,which the OP's shotgun is.

(The 5000 was the (Stevens)Springfield No. 515 SxS. Action is the same, just contoured slightly different on the outside ).

Before WW2, the 530 had a capped pistol grip, the 515 did not, both had walnut stocks with checkering.
In '40,,the 530T came out,,this was the Tenite stocked model.

After WW2, reorganization of Savage/Stevens/Fox back to the ChicopeeFalls Stevens plant and the Tenite stocked 5100 actioned Sxs was now called the Springfield No.311.
By '48 the Tenite stocked Springfield No.311 was now the Stevens No.311,,still the 5100 style action.

By 50/'51,,,the Tenite Stevens No311 was gone, replaced with a plain uncheckered wood stocked model still called the 311;

,,the wood stocked Stevens 530 had lost it's pistol grip cap after War time production had resumed but retained it's checkered walnut stocks.
The Stevens No.530 stayed in the line till '54.
These were all '5100' action sxs's. Many so marked on the frame, Some not and are marked with the '530' No, or Model designation.

These are coil spring/internal hammer actions. They replaced the Lewis patent coil spring/in-line striker type actions Stevens was using before that.

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Congratulations on your new 16. My first pheasant gun was a 16ga. Monkey Wards double.
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I am not sure that 16 ga shotguns ever went away. I have a friend with a Remington 1100 in 16 ga, and another friend with a 16 ga Mossberg 500 pump. He reloaded for it, and used it for trap shooting.
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You are correct, the 16 still lives and has been sustained by a cult of dedicated hard heads like myself over the decades, pretty much like the 41 mag and 10mm. With the advent of the web, all of us hard heads can now network. Actually, nowadays I can find everything I need to reload the 16 for anything from clays to deer, and there are still factory loads out there for most applications.

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I had a Stevens 16ga in the '70s that was lost in a home burglary. I always have missed it. I have a nice 311 in 20ga but that deal the OP got was really sweet.
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16 gauge is my favorite .....period! I have a Stevens 311 from '59 that will hold its' own in the field with any SxS ever built.

You may FANTASTIC deal!!! Congratulations! Let's go take some quail sometime.

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I have a 16 Ga Iver Johnson single barrel too.

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The current 16 gauge. There have been a few others to experiment with.
These have shot a few birds and a couple of clay targets.
1. Remington 1100
2. Browning BPS middle gun
3. Winchester Model 12, 4th down, my Dad's gun, mine when I turned 12
4. Winchester Model 97, redone with a vent rib
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My 16 ga is a J. C. Higgins (Sears) bolt action (tubular magazine) that I got back in the 1950s. It has one of those adjustable choke things on it. I never did use it much, and haven't fired it in at least 10 -15 years, but nothing wrong with it except it is sort of crude-looking and oddly proportioned. I don't know who made it originally for Sears. A bolt-action shotgun always seemed like a strange creature to me but it is a cheaper and simpler way to make a repeating shotgun.
So was my Dad's. He got it after WWII (Navy Veteran) not much was available at Sears then and always said he had intended to buy a "better" shotgun (pump) but the bolt J.C. Higgins took care of everything from quail to deer and now my brother has it. Still hunting with it.
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This thread is getting a lot of attention. You bought a real nice gun for a great price. It looks well taken care of. The Savage-Stevens SxS didn't get a lot of fitting like some SxS's did but they were strong guns. Being a cheaper gun, they were hunted hard but had a good reputation of taking the abuse.

Are you going to hunt with it?? Enjoy your new gun, Larry
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I been thinking about buying me a 16 ga. shotgun.I never see them in my LGS,they do carry shotguns.
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My favorite gauge to hunt with since I bought my first one in 1979 (Stevens 94) from my uncle for $35. Long gone now but have a Ithaca NID with 26 inch barrels choke cylinder and cylinder. This is my brush grouse gun. Also a 1988 vintage Citori Lightning 26 inch barrels. Citori is my pheasant gun. Nice Stevens and I would bought that in a heart beat at my dealer.

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My 16 ga is a J. C. Higgins (Sears) bolt action (tubular magazine) that I got back in the
1950s. It has one of those adjustable choke things on it. I never did use it much, and haven't fired it in at least
10 -15 years, but nothing wrong with it except it is sort of crude-looking and oddly proportioned. I don't know who
made it originally for Sears. A bolt-action shotgun always seemed like a strange creature to me but it is a cheaper
and simpler way to make a repeating shotgun.
My first shotgun was a Mossberg bolt action model 485B 20 ga. Those are the ones with a 2 rnd detachable magazine, Santa brought it when I was around 10 yrs old.
Anything flying was safe, I couldn't hit squat with it. That changed later on..



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Just saw an ad for the new Browning "Sweet Sixteen" Looks really nice Perhaps 16 gauge is returning in popularity?
I hope they sell a bunch, this is the first that I've heard about them. Unfortunately that probably won't happen and they'll end up at CDNN or similar outlet.


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So, are you going to tell us about that Luger?
It's a mismatched 1906 commercial that I picked up a few months ago. 1906 upper and the lower is an old model frame, probably from a Swiss contract. I had
been looking for a good 30 cal shooter, I was just getting around to giving it a good cleaning and taking some pics.



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That's a sharp looking SxS and a great buy at that price. Great condition.


The '5100' designation is actually the action style. Stevens went to 2 new styles in the mid 1930's,,the 5000 and the 5100.
The 5100 was used on the Stevens No. 530,,which the OP's shotgun is.

(The 5000 was the (Stevens)Springfield No. 515 SxS. Action is the same, just contoured slightly different on the outside ).

Before WW2, the 530 had a capped pistol grip, the 515 did not, both had walnut stocks with checkering.
In '40,,the 530T came out,,this was the Tenite stocked model.

After WW2, reorganization of Savage/Stevens/Fox back to the ChicopeeFalls Stevens plant and the Tenite stocked 5100
actioned Sxs was now called the Springfield No.311.
By '48 the Tenite stocked Springfield No.311 was now the Stevens No.311,,still the 5100 style action.

By 50/'51,,,the Tenite Stevens No311 was gone, replaced with a plain uncheckered wood stocked model still called the 311;

,,the wood stocked Stevens 530 had lost it's pistol grip cap after War time production had resumed but retained it's checkered walnut stocks.
The Stevens No.530 stayed in the line till '54.
These were all '5100' action sxs's. Many so marked on the frame, Some not and are marked with the '530' No, or Model
designation.

These are coil spring/internal hammer actions. They replaced the Lewis patent coil spring/in-line striker typeactions Stevens was using before that.
Thanks for all of the information, I somewhat suspected that it may have been something like this with the frame designations, reason being that I had looked at
a Tenite stocked marked Springfield that was marked the same, 5100 on right receiver. That one had been rode hard and put up wet several times. I didn't know what to call mine so I just stuck with 5100, that's all that I could find anywhere on the gun itsself.

I looked everywhere for info on these shotguns, your post has provided the most information. Is this somewhere on the 'net, a book, or is it just what you've picked up over the years?


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I am not sure that 16 ga shotguns ever went away.
They haven't, those of us that really like the 16 are always on the lookout for another shotgun. We know that they are usually priced lower than the 12's and 20's so it's good for us. We already have a good supply of shells so that is not a problem.


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...the 16 still lives and has been sustained by a cult of hard heads like myself over the decades...
I'm one of those, was hooked on my Dad's Sweet 16 at about the age of 13-14.


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This thread is getting a lot of attention. You bought a real nice gun for a great price. It looks well taken care of. The Savage-Stevens SxS didn't get a lot of fitting like some SxS's did but they were strong guns. Being a cheaper gun, they were hunted hard but had a good reputation of taking the abuse.

Are you going to hunt with it?? Enjoy your new gun, Larry
I think this thread has gotten the attention because 16ga is in the title. Everyone, or most everyone, knows that if it's about a 16ga it's going to be vintage and all of us old/older guys love vintage guns. I have always wanted a Stevens DB but never really found one to take home, I feel lucky to have gotten this one and would've paid the asking price if he didn't accept my offer. Hopefully I'll be able to try it out on some Dove before the season is out.
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My neighbor Gave me a nice 311A, well used barrels are now a brown patina, but the receiver has nice case coloring.
Not at home now so pix available.
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