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I have purchased as many as I can......I have a feeling they will be listed on the NFA soon.


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Old 10-02-2017, 04:49 PM
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START HOARDING .22 LR AMMO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:58 PM
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I have purchased as many as I can......I have a feeling they will be listed on the NFA soon.


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I think that if you are correct you're going to end up with a bunch of NFA weapons you have to register ($200 tax stamp each right?) and that you won't be able to sell unless the buyer also gets permission from the BATF to buy it from you.

Or maybe I have a misunderstanding of how the whole NFA thing works.
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How many is that? And what do you plan on doing with them?

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A pointless enterprise. But it's your money, not mine (thank goodness).

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I say this as I did the same with open bolts and street sweepers. I made some 500% on them.

Didn't know if any of you all had done that before.

NO im discussing how many I have purchased. LOL
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I'm pretty well set for rimfires... DID order an extra K of 5.56 this morning though.
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Old 10-02-2017, 05:19 PM
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I do not see the point of the Mossberg Shockwave.

A shotgun needs a shoulder stock in order to fire it properly and accurately.

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Old 10-02-2017, 05:27 PM
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I do not see the point of the Mossberg Shockwave.

A shotgun needs a shoulder stock in order to fire it properly and accurately.

Just my opinion.
I have a lot of useless items that I have collected along the way, but the Shockwave is in the pile simply because I can own one here in Texas. Remington also has their version as well which may just wind up in the pile too......maybe in 20 gauge just to be different. I donít really need a reason although it is fun to chap my friend in California that canít own a single thing I own.....we have been competing since high school and now we are 60 plus year old men still competing......keeps us young.
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Old 10-02-2017, 05:58 PM
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For anyone that does not understand the place for the shockwave, please go to YouTube and look up Clint Smith and the Shockwave. All us gun folks need to understand as many platforms as we can. After viewing this you will have a complete understanding of what this firearm is for.
Please, don't go another day saying something about something without having the straight skinny on it. This is something you need to understand so you can have a real conversation about whether or not it is for you.
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I once saw a person put a pistol grip on one of the Mossbergs that has the bayonet lug. Three heavy loads and he put the shoulder stock back on. A shoulder stock helps control even when shooting from the hip. Larry
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Mind you these types of shorter-than-normal-barreled, not-a-shotguns have been around for many years, it's just that now we have them being sold by a major manufacturer. I spoze it's possible that now that they're getting more exposure and popularity, the bureaucrats may deem they need to be restricted even though they've been sold openly previously.

Not to mention the Black Aces jobbies.

Lil' Nottashotguns

What with the loosening of pistol brace restrictions and the climate at the ATF, congress and the White House, I think they're safe. Then again I thought Glocks were ugly plastic novelties that would never get popular.



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A shotgun needs a shoulder stock in order to fire it properly and accurately.

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This isn't a shotgun...
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I love mine. It shoots great and is quite controllable. It is a short-range weapon, so accuracy is irrelevant. Even so, Hickok45 can smack a steel gong at 100+ yards with a slug out of one. It's great home-invader medicine, too.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:24 PM
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I have purchased as many as I can......I have a feeling they will be listed on the NFA soon.

Whats your opinion?

I don't think the Shockwave will require a tax stamp. But if that comes to pass how will it increase the value of a Shockwave? You can buy SBR AR15s and others for the same price as a standard 16in. How will the Shockwave be any different if the Feds put them in a SBS category? What's your plan?

Now if the Feds ban new manufacture of all short barrel rifles/shotguns for transfer to civilian use like they did with automatics that would make the Shockwave more valuable. If you're betting on that... good luck.

The Remington 870 Tac-14 is about the same price as the Shockwave. Remington has a $50 rebate on all 870s through 10-15. That'd put the price around $300.



I'm quite pleased with my Shockwave.


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Old 10-02-2017, 06:25 PM
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Might as well stock up on the Remlington 870 Tac 14 while you are at it.

I also have no need for either of them.
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I don't think the Shockwave will require a tax stamp. But if that comes to pass how will it increase the value of a Shockwave? You can buy SBR AR15s and others for the same price as a standard 16in AR. How will the Shockwave be any different? What's your plan?

Now if the Feds ban manufacture of all short barrel rifles/shotguns like they did with automatics that would make the Shockwave more valuable. If you're betting on that... good luck.

The Remington 870 Tac-14 is about the same price as the Shockwave and Remington has a $50 rebate on all 870s through 10-15. That'd put the price around $300.



I'm quite pleased with my Shockwave.

Phil, may not matter to some but the 870 holds one less round.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:46 PM
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If I want an NFA shotgun I want it done right with stock and all. That being said I don't see the value of that shotgun at all let alone with extra $200

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For anyone that does not understand the place for the shockwave, please go to YouTube and look up Clint Smith and the Shockwave. All us gun folks need to understand as many platforms as we can. After viewing this you will have a complete understanding of what this firearm is for.
Please, don't go another day saying something about something without having the straight skinny on it. This is something you need to understand so you can have a real conversation about whether or not it is for you.
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All these comments against the Shockwave sound a lot like comments we all get from anti-gun people. "What do you need one of those for? I don't need one, so neither do you." No need to knock other people's choices in firearms. Now, how about a group hug?

I smell a thread closure comin'.

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For anyone that does not understand the place for the shockwave, please go to YouTube and look up Clint Smith and the Shockwave. All us gun folks need to understand as many platforms as we can. After viewing this you will have a complete understanding of what this firearm is for.
Please, don't go another day saying something about something without having the straight skinny on it. This is something you need to understand so you can have a real conversation about whether or not it is for you.
Do we really need to have Clint Smith show us what a defensive shotgun is for? Other than don't bust yourself in the face with it or have you hand go over the muzzle?
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All these comments against the Shockwave sound a lot like comments we all get from anti-gun people. "What do you need one of those for? I don't need one, so neither do you." No need to knock other people's choices in firearms. Now, how about a group hug?

I smell a thread closure comin'.
The original question was "what's your opinion". In my opinion it's a toy. I have no interest in it. You on the other hand can buy all the toys you want!

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For anyone who wants to discuss the practicality and usefulness (or not) of the Shockwave in greater detail, there is a quite lengthy thread elsewhere devoted to that issue.

As for the OP's question, I'm not sure that, once the novelty has worn off, it's going to be attractive enough to bank on it becoming an object of high desirability if it becomes an NFA item, and therefore suitable for speculation.

Based on a one-time try-out of someone else's Shockwave, plus watching the most often referenced YT videos, I think it's a lot of fun to shoot, but also a solution in search of a problem. It does nothing particularly well that a good full-size handgun on the one hand or a short-barreled stocked shotgun on the other don't do better.
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Phil, may not matter to some but the 870 holds one less round.
Right. And I don't care for the safety position nor absence of a hand strap on the Remington. That said, I don't think any of that is a consideration for the OP who is thinking he can turn a profit based on future Fed legislation.
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I'm not sure of the future value of the Shockwave but I'm definitely ordering a few AR15 binary triggers.
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If, and that's a bif IF, the yput the Shockwave on NFA, it would be an AOW, not a SBS (no shoulder stock), so only a five dollar tax.
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yeah I just have a pretty good feeling it will be listed. Once that happens tis going to go up. with the initial investment of 300-320 for both AND the rem rebate. it makes for a pretty good investment. I cannot get that good of a return on 4000.00 anywhere right now so YEAH its a gamble and in the mean time I can up armor my neighbors when the zombies come after us.
I have pretty good knowledge on some the (IIC) idiots in charge and they really don't like it when some smart atty goes and makes them look like an idiot. PLUS if they leave it like this it means the industry will have plenty of "ammo" to de-reg other shotguns, SBS and AOW's.



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I don't think the Shockwave will require a tax stamp. But if that comes to pass how will it increase the value of a Shockwave? You can buy SBR AR15s and others for the same price as a standard 16in. How will the Shockwave be any different if the Feds put them in a SBS category? What's your plan?

Now if the Feds ban new manufacture of all short barrel rifles/shotguns for transfer to civilian use like they did with automatics that would make the Shockwave more valuable. If you're betting on that... good luck.

The Remington 870 Tac-14 is about the same price as the Shockwave. Remington has a $50 rebate on all 870s through 10-15. That'd put the price around $300.



I'm quite pleased with my Shockwave.

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I don't intend to buy one

But the marketing person who decided to call it a Shockwave should get a bonus.

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Well, just for the record (if anyone's keeping a record), I was probably one of the first people in town to get a Shockwave. There were zero Shockwaves here, but I found one, and only one, NIB at a gun show.

And now gun shops here have stopped selling the things because they're afraid they'll be breaking some obscure little North Carolina law. One LGS has about 20 in stock, but won't put 'em out for sale. Go figure.

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While I may question the purpose or reasons for "buying all I can", I'm not making fun of anyone's choice of the Shockwave as a personal/home defense weapon. Any gun that throws multiple projectiles from a cylinder bore barrel is going to be deadly at close range.

Thread closure? You just never know when a thread's gonna take a nosedive. This one could be losing altitude.

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It may be a good investment, it may be a bust....but it's a hell of a lot more fun than a regular savings account.
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There's only one reason to "buy all you can". So you can gouge those later that weren't fortunate enough to find one earlier. Not a big fan of that kind of dealing.

But I'm urging you to buy all you can because nothing good will come of it.
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I am shocked, shocked that there is a big market for these
Sawed off Shotgun Pistols. The only advantage they have is
concealment. A stock makes them a lot more controlable
especially with full power and magnum loads. But as I read the
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I am not sure why there is such polarization around this, maybe it is the weapon, maybe it is the OP’s attitude toward acquiring all he can, or his mercenary motives........it doesn’t bother me that folks may have feelings about both, but what I don’t understand is assumptions about the functionality of the gun. If you have not shot it, find one and give it a try. It is really pretty easy to shoot accurately and safely at least for me. I had my doubts but bought one to try and low and behold it was really no big deal. It rides with me in the truck and on the tractor and will dispatch the errant rodent and snake with aplomb......we all have different reason for collecting and differ in our likes and dislikes but I just can’t figure why such hate for the thing or reasons why someone would own one.....I was set to be a hater of it until I tried it......it is a nifty little tool.
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I'm still waiting for mine, I had to special order it, to each their own...


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This is a twofer - it attracts people that hate the Shockwave and people that hate speculation. A perfect thread...
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Just me thinking....Isn't buying a bunch of these, holding and then selling for a profit considered a bid'ness and thusly requiring an FFL. I mean if this is what I was planning to so I sure as HELL would not be posting my intentions on an internet forum nor bragging on the markup I made on street sweepers. the word "Dumb ***" comes to mind.
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Last time I checked the aguila short shells were OOS everywhere. Is that still the case? Otherwise I'm not sure I would personally find use for one of these. I did plunk down some 20usd or whatever to get get one of these grips on my normal mossberg 500. I couldn't stand the stock pistol grip mossberg shipped with it.

As for running a business? Doubt that. He's just a collector.

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Nothing I'm interested in at any price.
But it's still the USA so people can pretty much do with their cash as they want to and speculate with it.
If you want to buy a bunch with the idea of the price going up in the future,,go for it.
Buying stock,,AR's, primers or 22 ammo is/was the same thing.
Sometimes it works out,,sometimes not so much.
Timing and a few other uncontrollable factors are everything.

The initial purchases keeps the gun companys afloat and a lot of people working,,that's a good thing.
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Just think of how many MORE Mossberg could sell if they had named it:

TACTICAL Shockwave!!


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it would match my tactical socks and undies!



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This topic was making the rounds quite some time ago in my home state of Ohio. IIRC Mossberg has gone through all the proper channels and submitted the design to the NFA for approval prior to marketing and distributing it. Maybe I misunderstood the OP, but believe me, the ATF isn't going to suddenly "discover" the Shockwave nor suddenly "decide" it is a SBS or DD. Having said that, the public misperception of the Shockwave as being a "naughty" weapon is, although unintentional, a great marketing tool for Mossberg.
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They're a real "pleasure" to shoot LOL! Not a fan.
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Now if we all do as the OP is doing, guess what? We'll be back right where we were a few years ago, with hard to get ammo and sky high AR and magazine prices. Use the extra money to become a Lifetime member of the NRA. And since the OP has admitted doing this to make a profit, hopefully he has an FFL license. Instead of trying to stick it to other guns owner, we need to come together during times like this and support each other. We have a battle ahead of us.
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Moralem and Lee's Landing Billy's posts above make a lot of sense to me. If you do not want one or see the need for one just don't buy one. I have used many different short barreled shotguns in the last 50+ years and quite frankly these "civilian legal" witness protection shotguns most certainly have a place in the "tool box". You just need to practice the same way you do with any firearm you have for serious reasons. To each his own opinion but don't make light of someone else's just because you don't happen to see the need. As I said before ,it is just another tool in the box and just as I have multiple hammers, saws , screw drivers and one hell of a lot of wrenches, I also have a couple of shockwaves, both Mossberg and Remington, and I will be adding one of the new 20 Ga. Remingtons , and yes they are not hard to shoot effectively.

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All these comments against the Shockwave sound a lot like comments we all get from anti-gun people. "What do you need one of those for? I don't need one, so neither do you."
If a guy starts a thread wanting to show off his new gun most folks here are pretty good about not raining on the guy's parade. But for general discussion and asking for opinion... any OP should expect a wide variety, including less than flattering opinion on whatever it might be. There aren't many guns or firearm accessories that I haven't seen folks say they have no use for or offer derogatory comment. Quite often it's useful comment, but other times it says more about the author than the topic. It's all part of discussion forums.

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Well said Phil , well said!
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[QUOTE=ChattanoogaPhil;139767725]If a guy starts a thread wanting to show off his new gun most folks here are pretty good about not raining on the guy's parade. But for general discussion and asking for opinion... any OP should expect a wide variety, including less than flattering opinion on whatever it might be. There aren't many guns or firearm accessories that I haven't seen folks say they have no use for or offer derogatory comment. Quite often it's useful comment, but other times it says more about the author than the topic. It's all part of discussion forums.

Yeah, I get your point but I donít think his openended question about what do you think or what is your opinion was about him. I think it was more about what do you think of his strategy and the possible changing landscape of firearm regulation......I took it to mean also, what do you think of the firearm........just one of those threads with lots of emotion and opinion.
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IF I ever bought one,it would be ONE to throw under the seat of my vehicle.
I wouldn't like to shoot it, but would like to have it handy.
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...I hope they stay unregulated...that said...I bought a Mossberg 500 with pistol grip...shot it a few times...and then put a shoulder stock on it...and I am a guy that owns three 44 magnums and enjoys shooting them...am I in the market for a Shockwave?...no...but never say never...

...P. S. ... if they do become NFA...why would you jump through the hoops to own one...when the same process would get you a real short barrel shotgun?...
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ParadiseRoad and others have a valid point about the recoil of conventional pistol grip shotguns, they do seem to have enhanced recoil. I have used them since putting one of the Remington factory folding stock on one of my 870's many many years ago. I also have a pistol gripped Ithaca 20 Ga. model 37. Both of those have more perceived recoil than the shockwave Mossberg or the Remington. The shape of the "tear drop" grip does work. As I said above these are just additional tools in the box and no way would I suggest that these be your only shotgun. The conventional 870 or 11/87 Police guns are still my mainstays in my shotgun battery. My thoughts and a couple of $1.00 will get you coffee in most places. All my best, Joe.
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