Helanbak HB 15 with 60 rounds through it has Wylde barrel whatever that is. (from what I can see this is a build from a group in Columbia MS)
1000+ rounds of .223 and 5.56
a Nikon p-223 1.5-3.5 scope

one (1) Yugo SKS with spigot launcher and bayonet. Has both stock & extra capacity mag. What the hell is a spigot launcher?????

One Mosin Nagant with trigger upgrade. Good condition. Tight bolt. Not floppy.

He is willing to swap the entire package for a 9.5" Ruger Super Redhawk and Simmons Scope.

On the face of it a three for one always intrigues me but is there anything about the above description that jumps out and says "Run Forest Run"? Help me oh forum members-should I make this swap or not. Have absolutely no use for the Ruger-I bought it on a whim after seeing Men in Black-when the tow truck operator pulled it out Oh and I didn't pay $900 for the Ruger wither Instead of having a clunky Ruger for which I have no use, it would be neat to have three long guns for which I have no use for either. But the thing with Sigp220.45 getting that $50 Mosin Nagant got me to thinking. AND the one I would be trading for HAS a barrel band and has no body tissue on it!!!
I really need to get some answers from my black gun/military gun experts on this one.

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Do the trade.

Easy choice, assuming what you’re not getting stolen merchandise, seems like a no brainer.

+1 to that

Do the deal. I’m not very good at arithmetic, but I’m good enough to figure out that the numbers are all in your favor here. Besides, Moisins and Yugos are fun to play with and you just can’t have to many AR’s.

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Wylde is a chamber design of 223. All my friends are WILD about them!!! Usually on 1:8 and 1:7 twist barrels. When Stoner started AR 15 design he used Wylde chambers for heavy bullets, then Colt went with a different chamber. Usually high grade and expensive!

Ivan

Wylde chambers are good for both 223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. A true 223 chamber has insufficient leade for heavy 5.56 loads like 69 gr and definitely 77 gr.

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I can’t speak to the dollar value of any of the guns, but I like your reasoning. An easy way to elevate the fun quotient substantially.

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CajunLawyer Here is the answer to your question What the hell is a spigot launcher?????


From Wikipedia

Spigot-type[edit]

The 22mm type rifle grenade launcher was developed prior to World War II. This type of launcher is attached to a rifle's muzzle and allows for the use of a wide range of rifle grenades.

from powerful anti-tank rounds to simple finned tubes with a fragmentation hand-grenade attached to the end.

These rifle grenades come in "standard" type, which are propelled by a blank cartridge inserted into the chamber of the rifle; or, "bullet trap" and "shoot through" types, which allow the use of live ammunition.

All modern 22mm rifle grenades explode on impact. All Standard issue NATO rifles are capable of launching STANAG type 22mm rifle grenades from their integral flash hiders without the use of an adapter.

Modern bullet-trap rifle grenades such as the French APAV40 can be fired as fast as a soldier can place a grenade on an FAMAS rifle's muzzle and pull the trigger.

The mosin and sks both sound to be modified. If all of the original parts are not there the value is significantly decreased

If the original parts are there then returning those two to "as imported" condition would bring:

Sks $350-400
Mosin $200-225

I would be very concerned that the finish has been altered without seeing pics as bubba has no limits. If modified they are worth

Sks $300
Mosin $150

We really need photos of all three firearms

Would need to see pics. Butchered rifles are only worth how bad you want it. While original actually have a value.

SKS
Spigot is a permanent attached grenade launcher.....Illegal in some states. Has a gas shut off valve, can be used as a single shot.
Original condition $400 +/-

Mosin
Floppy bolt doesn't make sense. Upgraded trigger? What does that mean? Bubba with a file?
Original condition price will vary $200 - $500 depending on when it was made and who had it. 1944 91/30 ...$200 +/-. An ex Dragoon? Fin? m91? ....etc... price goes up.

Personally I wouldn't have any interest in the AR unless it's factory from a select few manufacturers.

On the face of it sounds like a good deal but pics are worth a 1000 words

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Thank you Arik that is what I was looking to hear-I was hoping you would respond. Pictures indicate fairly clean SKS one of those Yugos with the grenade launcher and the Mosin looks pretty clean as well I like you am a bit worried about the trigger upgrade as well as the fact that the SKS might be modified regarding the magazine. I'm gonna take bore light with me and if the bores are good and the guns aren't bubba'ed will probably make the deal. I've only got $600 in the Ruger so I really can't get hurt as I can sell the AR for $500 in a heart beat around here.

Have a few photos and nothing really jumps out-but I don't know how to post them here. But Arik you've given me some questions to ask him.

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Those Yugo SKS could have clean or slightly frosted bores depending on what import batch it came from. If it was one from the last big batch in around 2007 or so it should be clean.

Mosin is most likely at the very least frosted barrel but probably dark. Rifles have been in just about every military and every conflict in the last 70+ years. Most likely it'll also be a mix of parts. It's is what it is

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Sounds like a decent trade. That's four bills worth of ammo and scope alone.

You ain't gettin' tactical on us are ya?

Tell him you will keep the Simmons if he throws in some boot.

Funny. An unfogged low end Simmons scope is almost as rare as a Penn spinning reel with an unbroken anti-reverse. Joe

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Some M-Ns are rarer and more desirable than others, especially the several Finnish versions. Several years ago I had a Finnish M-N I sold for $450, and it wasn't anything I could describe as being in anywhere close to collectible condition. The purchaser was delighted to get it.

$300 for the Ar and $100 for the scope. Your ruger with scope and rings probibly $700

If the long guns arnt bubba'd up your close to even but your gun takes up a whole lot less room.

ARs are cheap right now. The Wylde chambering isn't that unique anymore. Mosin ammo isn't dirt cheap any more. Sks used to $99 so the 10 round box was easy to over look. Today the Ak has it beat as the prices are close and Ak mags are cheap.

I wouldn't do the trade. Just my humble opinion. Your ruger was the deal at $600. You just got to like big fat heavy revolvers.

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First off. I dont trade or sell any firearms. BUT I would ask if he would sell outright first. Now if i didn't care for the Ruger at all THEN i would more than likely trade. I am not a revolver guy but the long rifles tickle my fancy. Even the lowly 22 rimfire single shots. But that is me. If you do trade PICS please.
Charlie

Yea but a 1000+ rounds of 556/223 is around $300 - $400 depending on the manufacturer and how much more the + is. So just the ammo is close to half the price of the Ruger and rings

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Mosins are kinda like old luggage with stickers from around the world! Unlike other rifles that are collected for their matching numbers and excellent condition, Mosins are collected for their rare good condition as much as they are for their battle damage and travel history! I've had some unusual ones. WW1 Austrian capture, rechambered to 8x56, sent to Finland and rechambered back to 7.62x54, re captured by the Russians and sold/traded/or re captured again and made it's way to Bulgaria! Or my very rare 1895 M91 Kazak (only a few thousand of those) that made it's way to Czechoslovakia and cut down to M38 configuration.

The massive amount of European battle history in those old work horses is staggering

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I just picked up a case of Federal 5.56 XM193 for $249 delivered after Federal rebates. That price has been available for several months.

Used ARs aren't in great demand. Palmetto is just about giving new rifles away. Expectations of getting $500 might be a bit optimistic.

Well, it would be my first AR, so I really know enough to know how inferior it may be to others. I figure if it goes bang and hits a 6" pie plate at 100 yards, that's good enough for my sniping. Besides, the Ruger has been sitting around unfired for 5-6 years-it's time to get some new guns to let sit around unfired for the next 5-6 years Plus that SKS is calling to me-great gun to throw in the boat when I'm sloshing around in the basin-plus if I can ever get some grenades...............
Now if anyone out there wants to give me $700 plus shipping for the Ruger.......Naw, I'd just blow the money on something useless. Pretty much made up my mind to do the deal unless the guns really look like ****-but having seen the pictures, I really don't think I'm getting the wrong wnd of this deal. Plus I still have the Ruger 99 deerfield and the 629-4 mountain gun for my .44's.
Phil I'm glad you and Arik chimed in-I value tour opinions-I know the AR is a **** shoot regarding the quality of the build but I'm not quite to the level you guys re with black rifles.

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RUN FORREST, RUN

I read that wrong. I thought he was saying the gun had 1000 rounds run through it. My bad.

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If you get some grenades you can go fishing!!!🤣

I'd look for something else to throw in the boat. Especially if that sks is in good condition. It's just crazy what these surplus rifles are going for lately. 6 - 10 years ago they were $150 all day long in like new condition. In the $400 range now. Today there's very few exceptions to the price increases in the surplus market. Tokarevs, Nagant revolvers, Russian captured Mausers, Mosins, K98s, all SKS, Mausers in general, Swiss rifles, Sweds, Enfields, you name it and it has been going up in price for the last 10 years. That silly Yugo SKS can someday be thousand dollar rifle. It's happening with Russian SKSs. The most expensive Mosin sold for $12,000!!!

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grenade launcher....what could possibly go wrong?

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Ok Ok Caj have you made the trade yet? If so then why are there not pictures up here yet. I have had way to muh time on my hands for a few weeks and I am on the forum way to much. Sorry but I am tired of being broken. I gots things to do.

Christmas got in the way-we're gonna meet next week

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Made the trade!
SKS was a disappointment-mismatched numbers and in fair shape. Came with around 60 rounds and a bunch of stripper clips. Also came with a 30 round magazine if I wanted to change out the original. Guy says he has not shot it so we'll see. Anyway I would consider it a solid $150-200 gun. Keep it for trade possibilities.
Next up of the AR build. Looks brand new. Has one of those picatinny front hand guards which I do NOT like but WTH. Has a Nikon TACTICAL 223 scope 1.5 x 4.5 power with big knobs on the side so I can adjust windage and elevation with my fingers rther than a scewdriver. It also comes with 6 mag pull magazines and around 900 rounds of Federal ammo. Fire-sale value of gun/scope and 6 mags $500.
I figure the ammo at $200.
Finally is the Mosin.
I LIKE THIS GUN!!!!
I would rate it very good. Barrel is a little dark but no pitting that I can see and the rifling looks very sharp. I suspect that with a good cleaning it will look even better. All numbers match and the bayonet point can be used as a #2 slotted screwdriver in a pinch. If is alas missing the cleaning rod, however I have the other cleaning tools that it came with. GUn also has two pouches each containing 3 5 round stripper clips of 7.62x54R ammo, five more 5 round stripper packs 5 loose stripper clips and around 30 additional rounds of ammo. About half of the ammo appears to be corrosive because it has copper colored cases (also because the guy who sold it to me said it was corrosive ) The remaining ammo looks to be of modern manufacture but until I but my own, I'm gonna assume it is all corrosive and clean accordingly.
I can't be more please with the condition of the gun. The gun DOES need a detained strip and clean as the bolt innards are still coated heavily with cosmoline.
A cursory examination of the marks on it shows a hammer and sickle crest indicating Soviet manufacture as well as an Izhensk Arsenal mark. There is a "1942" stamped in the receiver which I am going to guess indicates a 1942 manufacture date which means it was built during the war!!
The 7.62x54R looks like a wicked round-can't wait to see how she shoots.
I must also make apologies to Phil for all the razzing I used to do over on the M&P15 forums. I think I've been bit by the AR bug
Looks like I have also been bit by the milsurp bug.
Will try to get pictures up as soon as I can figure out how to do it.

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Sounds like you are happy with the trade. And that’s what matters. Trading is fun. Most trades are good, some not so good. Locally I buy, sell and trade so frequently I view most of my guns as loaners. Except for a core few, they come and they go.

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Mosins and SKSs are like sledge hammers and handy man jacks. If you tear one up, I'd like to hear how you did it.

Well....if you shoot the SKS with the Mosin....that would do it!

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CAJ,

The Mosin is easy to take apart. 1) Remove the two barrel band by pushing on the little spring like metal and pulling the band off. Could be a little pia if it's tight. One band is bigger than the other so you can't confuse which goes where but just in case the bigger one is towards the back. 2) unscrew the top screw on the back behind the bolt. 3) unscrew the bottom screw where the trigger guard is and remove the mag assembly by pulling it out. 3) remove the metal from the wood.

Now, the true date of manufacturer will be on the bottom of the tang (where you removed the top screw). That's the receiver date. The top date is just the barrel

Also, bolt comes off by ....when the bolt is open pull the trigger and hold it back while pulling the bolt out
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1942 and Izhevsk manufacturer puts it at one of the most common Mosins you could have purchased but still a great one. Whatever you do, do NOT strip/sand the stock and redo it in an attempt to make it better. You will destroy half of its value alone doing that.

The sks is still worth $300 even mismatched as they are fun shooters