Among 9x19 mm semiautomatic pistols, which are the thinnest and smallest - that is, those most easily concealed in an IWB holster - that have the mechanism to second strike a chambered cartridge that does not fire upon firing pin's first impact?

While I anticipate I refer to pistols having exposed hammers, I know so little about semiautos that I asked for information about results I seek rather than about types of semiautomatic pistols.

I honestly can't think of any small sub compact or even a compact 9mm that has second strike capability. However I can name a handful of very good 380's that do....

Bersa Thunder 380.

Beretta 84fs cheeta

S&W M&P Bodyguard 380.

I'm sure there's others as these are the only ones that come to mind right now...

Can't think of anything in the "pocket gun" category.

All traditional DA guns have a second strike capability and a few striker fired guns

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The Sig P250sc is a DAO, double stack, hammer fired, polymer fame pistol with repeat pull. Here are my two, a 9mm and a .40 S&W.



The discontinued S&W 3914 was also offered with a repeat pull.

SCCY..CPX2

Sig P290RS.

If you want to go a little bigger the Sig P239 might do.

I guess you should define "thinnest and smallest". The guns some people are listening I wouldn't consider in that category. They are just shorter versions of the full size ones

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Walthers P99 and the P99 Compact are 9mm, striker fired, and each have true DA/SA and second strike capability.

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A prettier version of the Kel-Tec P11, circa 1995.
Not particularly thin, but you get that with a
double-stack magazine.

There's at least one Taurus striker-fired pocket 9mm
that has striker re-cocking via trigger pull. Not sure why
that hasn't been taken up in other striker designs.

Sig P 290RS.

The Keltec P11 is 1" wide, which is 0.02" thinner than the single stack Glock 43. 12 bullets vs 6 and it's thinner... if only they were made a bit better. I had one and deeply regret selling it. That said, I had to do the "fluff and buff" and replace mag springs for it to be reliable, so they aren't for everyone.

Taurus PT111 G2. I've owned it and the P11, and while the P11 is a bit smaller, mine was a bit problematic. Meanwhile that Taurus PT111 was perfect with many different brands of ammo until I traded it to a pal who really wanted it. I plan to buy another PT111 G2. For $200, they are epic.

BTW, the reason the restrike capability hasn't been more common is the PT111 is a true single action pistol, unlike most strikers, which are a modified double action. The PT111 is single action, but if the slide doesn't move when the trigger is pulled (i.e. the gun misfires), the striker drops to a decocked position and trigger changes to a double action pull. It's pretty brilliant actually.

Cue the Taurus bashers... (paging Arik)

The Springfield XDE & Sig Sauer P938 would fit your criteria.

I have a 2nd gen 469 that has 2nd strike capability.

I don't know enough about sizing a semiautomatic pistol to furnish "numbers." My assumption is that those who own, use, and EDC-CW do know. For me "numbers" have less meaning than some sort of consensus among EDC-CW users, even if users prefer more cartridges at the cost of larger pistols. While they may sacrifice size for more capacity, they almost certainly know those smaller pistols that they chose not to use.

I further assume that any of those small, concealable 9x19 mm pistols will have a cartridge capacity of at least five - that is, the same or greater capacity than my revolvers. So I have no preference for double stack magazines over single stack.

S&W's 3rd generation traditional double action (TDA) pistols have second strike capability. The TDA compact single stack 9 MMs are the Models 3913 and 3914.

Why is double strike an important consideration? In my mind it's one of the last things I would consider in a long list of criterion, simply because centerfire primers are extremely reliable, in my experience.

I've shot many thousands of factory and handloaded centerfire cartridges and I think I can remember ONE time the primer didn't fire and that was in a rifle. That was a handload and mostly likely I didn't seat the primer correctly.

The Remington R380 is a true double action with second strike capability. It is also a nice pocket gun.

Smith's chopped "Chief's Specials" ....... all the 39xx guns

Compact frame with double-strike from CZ:
CZ75 Compact
CZ75 D PCR (my EDC)
CZ P-01
CZ P-01 (omega) Convertible
CZ P-01 (omega) Convertible, suppressor-ready
CZ Compact SDP

Sub-Compact frame with double-strike from CZ:
CZ 2075 RAMI
CZ 2075 RAMI BD

KelTec . . .

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The Taurus 709 has restrike capability as well. One of my favorite small 9mm guns.

Walther PP or PPK, 32 or 380acp. If 9mm para is your first choice, the H&K P7 is too large for the pocket, although it is a rather small in size for a 9mm para, and several holster makers provide holsters that will help conceal the pistol.

Seems like a nice feature but leads me to ask, what is the frequency/ratio of the second strike making the cartridge go boom?
I've only had a few FTF in my lifetime and on the occasion that I tried to "second strike" the cartridge it never fired.

As someone also mentioned the P-290rs. It comes in 9mm & 380. Also the P250sc 9mm but it's a double stack and not as easy to conceal. The one in the picture is the 380 I own. I also have a P250sc but don't have a picture of it yet since I just bought it and haven't cleaned it up yet.

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I thought you meant the one you use when out of ammo & bash em over the head with the butt. For head bashing a 640 stainless has the wt & a nice sharp/hard edge. Just don't hit em in the mouth, you don't want teeth marks in your nice presentation rosewood grips.

I bought my P11 second hand, out of curiousity--and great price.
It's been stone reliable with everything from Blazer aluminum, Tula steel,
9BP & XM9001, Gold Dot, etc...shoots about 8" low at 25 yards and that's
my only gripe with it.

I took a look at a gal's Taurus at range, a year or two back,
and saw that mechanism. Thought it was pretty darn slick!

Arik's a nice young fella. He just needs to get out more.

There's some really good suggestions but everyone has a different understanding of thin and small. To me it means something like a Walther PPS, Shield, G43, Kahr CW 9, S&W 39 series, Ruger LC9. These are more often than not belt carried but can be pocket guns depending on how you dress. Then there are actual pocket guns like the Kahr PM9, Sig 938, G42, S&W Bodyguard 380, Ruger LCP 380. These guns are even smaller and can easily fit into most pockets. They all hold at least 5-6 rounds.

What many are listening are more of a compact derivative of the full size gun. They are essentially cut down versions. They are overall the same size as something like the Shield but have wider grips to hold more ammo, often at least 10 rounds. Gun like the M&Pc, G26, CZ Rami. They are a little heavier than their single stack counterparts and are rarely pocket carried

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Sig P6 or P225

S&W 539(?) or 39-2

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Any hammer fired DAO should have second strike capability. Several have been mentioned.

BUT, WHY?

I can think of several reasons for a bottom feeder to fail to go bang. By category, broken gun parts put you out if action. Gun slightly OOB, taping may or may not work, why not clear. Defective ammo*, isn't it better to clear the offending round and try the next one.

A defensive encounter is not a place to be fooling around with your means of self-defence.

My J may only have half the rounds of a S*** or K***** but I know each time I squeeze a new charge hole with a fresh cartridge lines up ready to go.

* May be other reasons, but only scenario I could think of where second strike is meaningful is very rare with quality SD ammo, a less than fully seated primer.

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While tap-rack-bang is the proper basic response to a malfunction, it's pretty common to see folks pull the trigger again a time or two after experiencing a failure during a rapid string of fire in Force-on-Force training. Restrike capability could potentially be a lifesaver in certain rare instances, but if you are using high quality 9mm defensive ammunition in a high quality modern firearm, I think a TRB is most likely necessary to correct the cause of the malfunction in the vast majority of cases. I myself would prefer to have restrike capability since I like true DAO handguns, but when I consider all factors and compare the various guns in 9mm, the best choices(IMO) do not have it. I want a proven and reliable weapon so that neither TRB nor restrike capability is likely to ever have to be utilized. For me, if I was looking for a small single-stack 9mm to carry IWB, I would be looking real hard at a Glock 43 or maybe even a Shield.

Yep! 100%

Tap, rack, bang! Simple solution

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If you're looking at striker fired pistols you have described the Taurus 709 almost perfectly. The only thing is the low capacity but that sorta comes with the turf for small pistols. At only 1" wide it is thin but it only holds 7+1 rounds. Personally I prefer the PT-145 which is a .45 that holds 10+1 and is only 1.25" wide. That's small. Obviously the weight will be more when you add a few more rounds. The PT-145 is a double stack pistol. There's also the double stack 9 in the same series. And like many Taurus pistols these two guns both have second strike capability. The first strike is in single action mode and the second is double action. At least that's how it is on my PT-145. I have a G2 but I bought it for the wife (she never carries it) but it's fell back to me. I just haven't really learned the details about it because I carry other guns.

It should be said the older models in the PT series have a flaw that caused Taurus to offer to buy them back or replace them. Mine has never had the problem and it's one heck of a nice pistol (never failed to feed or eject and is crazy accurate) so I'm holding onto it. I just use it as a night stand pistol so I don't have to worry about dropping it (the problem is they sometimes fire even with the safety engaged when they are dropped). Again I don't see how a person could find a better pistol for any amount of money except for that problem. It just works like I want it to work. 5000 rounds with zero feeding issues and accuracy that has to be seen to be believed.

My 1911 has second strike capability. Just cock the hammer again.

That gun has been talking to me for a while. Hammer fired DAO, double stack, small, light, inexpensive, and gets a lot of great reviews. Last night my wife said she just ordered a new coat, so if I want the Sccy, go for it. Ain't love grand?

And if I don't like it, not much lost.

The only time double strike capability would matter to me is if I were being lowered into a pool teeming with robot zombie sharks and I only had one round left. I certainly wouldn't want it to drop into the water... ��

When it goes click it, goes airborne and another chance for greatness is ushered into its former abode.

Dry fire practice would be the only actual positive I could place on this ability.

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The Sig 938 was mentioned. Even though it’s a single action 1911 style, it’s worthy of a look. I have one and carry iwb, and while a tad on the heavy side, the weight helps with recoil, and it’s still a small package. So if cocking the hammer would fit your requirement of double strike, I’d suggest shooting one.

I am surprised no-one else has mentioned CZs. Seems like a good option unless the double stack is too thick. 1.25" width, 26 oz on the RAMI.

For perspective, my Ruger LCR 357 Magnum's widest point is 1.285 inches. This point, at the cylinder, is but a smidgeon larger than the widest point on the grip I use.

What is your reason for wanting 2nd strike capability?

And the curves of a revolver blend into the curves of the human body more easily than the angles of an auto-loader, making it more consealable.

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My wife carries a Witness Pavona, the grip almost feels like a single stack. She carries cocked, and locked, but she still has the option of DA for second strike on the primer.

When he said "thinnest and smallest 9mm", that took CZ and most double stack guns off the table IMO. That said, I think people obsess over a super thin gun when 99% of the time they could easily conceal a standard double stack pistol, or even larger! I also think CZ makes outstanding weapons and would recommend a CZ-75 over pretty much every other DA/SA gun except maybe a SIG P229 with SRT.

Then again, I carry a 4" M29 as my CCW most days while wearing shorts and a untucked button up shirt, so like I said I think people worry too much over a super thin gun.

BTW, for the OP, a Springfield XD-E is another option.

You might be correct. I'll have a more nearly accurate judgment when I've tried some of the suggestions and recommendations of this thread.

There are trade offs for everything, but I don't think that the Glock 43 or the M&P Shield is more reliable than the Walther P99c. However, the P99c is about a quarter of an inch thicker.

I have never understood choosing most single stacks over a Glock 26, though, which is only a bit more than a tenth of an inch thicker than the Glock 43, for example, yet doubles your ammunition load. If the extra weight is a consideration, you could always short load the Glock 26.

I carried a Beretta Nano for a long time, though, because I could pocket carry it, unlike most other single stack 9x19s.

The smallest auto I own is actually a G26. I don't carry IWB, but a lot people who do much prefer the the slimmer G43. I have no experience with the Walther P99 or how it compares to a Glock, but I imagine it's a fine weapon. They used to make a true DAO version of the P99 and maybe still do for certain markets, but I don't think they are available here.