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I dug this out, it's from 1960 article. This is the Colt Panco Villa
was carrying when killed by opposing gang in 1923. Grips inset
with Rubies and Gold. I have another article from later, early 70s
I think, that has the mate to this gun found in wall of hotel bath
room in El Paso. Where he is thought to have stashed it to avoid
arrest with weapon by the Feds who were after him at the time
for smuggling and bootlegging on the Tex/ Mex border.
I will post the other article when I find it.
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There are a ton of guns attributed to Pancho, many sold by enterprising family members as such after his death, of questionable provenance.

The most often referenced and apparently photographically supported gun is not a Colt SAA like in the 1960 photo, but a longer-barreled Colt Bisley he reportedly carried when ambushed. Of course, that may have been debunked by now, too
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After Bat Masterson retired as a gunfighter he was approached all the time by those wanting to buy his gun. He'd make periodic trips to the local pawn shops and buy up inexpensive colt 45's then turn around and sell them at a handsome profit.
As a firearms appraiser you ought to hear some of the stories I do when brought firearms for appraisal.
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I think most of the famous gunmen had family members and
Other opportunists dealing in fakes. Bat was one guy that ordered
Colts from factory. So there is docs on the real ones on record.
Hardin, Billy the Kid, Jesse James there are all kind of fakes on
the market. I always ask people how much do they want for the
gun without the story. Never bought a P38 that some ones
uncle hadn't taken off a German officer he had shot.
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Pancho had so many guns he had a special burro to carry all of them.
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We nearly bought a skull that was offered as Francisco Villas, except it was rather small. The seller allowed as how it was Panchos skull “when he was a leetle boy”.
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I have seen many of Pancho's guns during the 35 years of guns shows while in ARIZONA. Also met a many a man who's Grandfather rode with Pancho.
Pancho was very busy.
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Lefty's gun. Bought it from an old man in a Cleveland hotel many year's ago
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My buddies great grandfather was on the mission to get Villa
when Army went into Mexico after him. He was in a newly
formed machine gun platoon. They had the Colt Potatoe diggers.
They never fired a shot at bandits or Villa.
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Pancho had so many guns he had a special burro to carry all of them.
I heard the mules name was Lefty.
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No it was a mule but then he got so many handguns he had to get a box car to tote them in and most of them made their way to gun shows tables.

He had almost as many "wives" as he did pistolas.
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He had almost as many "wives" as he did pistolas.
Now that is a story I believe!

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there was an article in 'Old West' magazine a few years back about Colt clones/look a likes on the frontier....it mentioned that Pancho Villa's widow made a fair living selling Pancho's 'favorite pistol' and she was constantly in the market for cheap handguns!!
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Pancho Villa and Emiliano Zapata had a lot of guns during the Mexican Revolution. And still today emerge revolvers or rifles with their names engraved.

A few years ago a friend of mine aproach with a rifle that belonged to a deceased friend of him, and the widow ask him if the rifle had any value. It was a Winchester Lever action with gold inlays that read "GENERAL EMILIANO ZAPATA" and the Mexican National crest.

By researching the serial number we found out that it was made in 1915.We took the rifle to a gunsmith friend of mine. After examination of the piece. He told us that it was a very common practice by jewelers and gunsmiths in Mexico during the 30's and 40's to engrave rifles, shotguns, revolvers, pistols, machetes, sables and any other thing that you can imagine with the names of Zapata, Pancho Villa and other famous characters of the revolutionary period.

This remind me of the faked LEICA cameras that appear in Rusia a few years ago with nazi simbols.......guess a sucker is born every minute
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There is also a brisk trade in steel stamps to alter guns to
Wells Fargo, USMC and anything that would pump the price due
to historical value. When there is money to be made there are
those that come out of the woodwork to cash in.
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Does anyone remember the Cadillac Bar in Nuevo Laredo? They had Pancho Villa’s saddle on display. (It was heavily worked with silver.)
I first saw it when I was about 7 years old... don’t know if it’s still there...(probably been replaced by some cartel jefe’s gold plated AK.)

There were a few of those saddles sold around the border, too.

Up in San Antonio,at the Briscoe museum, the one made by Joaquin Rodriguez and Alberto Tulancingo Marquez is on display still, I guess.
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It's been almost 50yrs since I was in El Paso or any of the border
towns. What was the name of the Hotel where Villa stayed when
he was in El Paso? It was still there when I was there. It seems
like it was close to the bridge to Wazoo. We went down there
almost every night but I racked my brain and can't remember it.
I even stayed there a couple times.
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It's been almost 50yrs since I was in El Paso or any of the border
towns. What was the name of the Hotel where Villa stayed when
he was in El Paso? It was still there when I was there. It seems
like it was close to the bridge to Wazoo. We went down there
almost every night but I racked my brain and can't remember it.
I even stayed there a couple times.
That would be the old Roma Hotel! Must be gone by now.

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(Yeah, they tore it down and that’s where Burger King is. sigh.)
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My buddies great grandfather was on the mission to get Villa
when Army went into Mexico after him. He was in a newly
formed machine gun platoon. They had the Colt Potatoe diggers.
They never fired a shot at bandits or Villa.
Are you sure about that? At that time the U. S Army was using the Benet-Mercier (AKA the Daylight Gun), the Lewis Gun (in .303), and a few M1904 Maxim guns. I am not sure if any of the M1904s were used by the Punitive Expedition, but the other two were.

"Does anyone remember the Cadillac Bar in Nuevo Laredo? They had Pancho Villa’s saddle on display. (It was heavily worked with silver.)"
I spent lots of time at the NL Cadillac Bar in the late 80s and early 90s while I was living in Laredo, but I don't remember seeing any saddles there. But I do remember stories about Pancho riding his horse inside, true or not I don't know. I think the Cadillac has been closed for a long time due to the Narco violence in Nuevo Laredo, and also the fact that very few Gringos dare to visit NL these days. It used to be a good place to take a walk around the downtown area in the evenings, and I would cross over two or three times a week to do that. And also to watch the Border Patrol search cars at the U. S. side of the bridge. No way would I go to NL (or to any border town on the Mexico side) now. There was also a Cadillac Bar in San Antonio near the River Walk, but from one visit there some years ago it was nothing like the one in NL. I don't know if it is still open.

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there is a hotel in downtown douglas, arizona side of aqua prieta mexico. pauncho took aqua prieta at one time. in the hotel is a fine restaurant and a pretty well known bar. and a big sign pointing to the cracks/chips in a marble staircase leading to the second floor. Supposed pancho did it trying to ride his horse up to the second floor. A lot of famous gunmen use to drink in that bar. Little further along is naco arizona, on the arizona side is the remains of the troops quarters for that expedition into mexico. it's now fenced up, but prowling around in there you could find spent casings for 30government, and various handgun casings. I do believe patton shot a mexican on that expedition, and mounted him on the fender of a car.
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Lefty's gun. Bought it from an old man in a Cleveland hotel many year's ago
You bought it out of kindness I suppose.
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You bought it out of kindness I suppose.
He only did what he had to do.
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That would be the Hotel Gadsden in Douglas, AZ where Pancho Villa rode his horse up the stairway.. I've stayed there.
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Bought this from GT Distributors. Salesman said it was Pancho’s hide out gun, and that he preferred AmeriGlo Bold night sights. I bought it Blue Label and didn't overpay, because I remember reading on the S&W Forum that I should buy the gun and not the story...
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there was an article in 'Old West' magazine a few years back about Colt clones/look a likes on the frontier....it mentioned that Pancho Villa's widow made a fair living selling Pancho's 'favorite pistol' and she was constantly in the market for cheap handguns!!
Apparently many Gringo gun collectors visited her home in Parral, and most of them came back clutching one of Pancho's favorite guns. Pancho had lots of wives, in fact he probably had more of them than he did guns. Except he didn't worry too much about the legalities of getting married.

My favorite character of that period was General Rodolfo Fierro, who was Pancho's right-hand man and also his chief executioner. He was crossing a river while he was loaded down with gold coins and drowned when he fell off his horse because he couldn't bear to drop the coins. He was played by Charles Bronson in the 1968 movie "Villa Rides."

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I thought the post was going to be about the Cisco Kid's sidekick, Leo (Pancho) Carrillo.
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We coulda had him any day.
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Are you sure about that? At that time the U. S Army was using the Benet-Mercier (AKA the Daylight Gun), the Lewis Gun (in .303), and a few M1904 Maxim guns. I am not sure if any of the M1904s were used by the Punitive Expedition, but the other two were.

"Does anyone remember the Cadillac Bar in Nuevo Laredo? They had Pancho Villa’s saddle on display. (It was heavily worked with silver.)"
I spent lots of time at the NL Cadillac Bar in the late 80s and early 90s while I was living in Laredo, but I don't remember seeing any saddles there. But I do remember stories about
Pancho riding his horse inside, true or not I don't know. I think the Cadillac has been closed for a long time due to the Narco violence in Nuevo Laredo, and also the fact that very few Gringos dare to visit NL these days. It used to be a good place to take a walk around the downtown area in the evenings, and I would cross over two or three times a week to do that. And also to watch the Border Patrol search cars at the U. S. side of the bridge. No way would I go to NL (or to any border town on the Mexico side) now. There was also a Cadillac Bar in San Antonio near the River Walk, but from one visit there some years ago it was nothing like the one in NL. I don't know if it is still open.
Yea, I'm sure about PD gun. I think it was a newly formed MG
platoon to use Patatoe Diggers when Army was looking at what
they were going to adopt. Unrelated, there was also some troops
armed with 1895 Wins that they were being considered for a
contract. They were used in some minor engagements. in the
border conflict with bandits. Val Browning was with them to
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After Bat Masterson retired as a gunfighter he was approached all the time by those wanting to buy his gun. He'd make periodic trips to the local pawn shops and buy up inexpensive colt 45's then turn around and sell them at a handsome profit.
As a firearms appraiser you ought to hear some of the stories I do when brought firearms for appraisal.
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Are you sure about that? At that time the U. S Army was using the Benet-Mercier (AKA the Daylight Gun), the Lewis Gun (in .303), and a few M1904 Maxim guns. I am not sure if any of the M1904s were used by the Punitive Expedition, but the other two were.

"Does anyone remember the Cadillac Bar in Nuevo Laredo? They had Pancho Villa’s saddle on display. (It was heavily worked with silver.)"
I spent lots of time at the NL Cadillac Bar in the late 80s and early 90s while I was living in Laredo, but I don't remember seeing any saddles there. But I do remember stories about Pancho riding his horse inside, true or not I don't know. I think the Cadillac has been closed for a long time due to the Narco violence in Nuevo Laredo, and also the fact that very few Gringos dare to visit NL these days. It used to be a good place to take a walk around the downtown area in the evenings, and I would cross over two or three times a week to do that. And also to watch the Border Patrol search cars at the U. S. side of the bridge. No way would I go to NL (or to any border town on the Mexico side) now. There was also a Cadillac Bar in San Antonio near the River Walk, but from one visit there some years ago it was nothing like the one in NL. I don't know if it is still open.
I WAS DOWN IN NL, IN 1964. THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. I SORT OF RECOLLECT, A BAR WITH AN ELABORATE, SILVER SADDLE IN IT--BUT I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE PLACE, OR THE STORY ABOUT THE SADDLE. I WAS IN MY EARLY 20s, AND MY 2 FRIENDS AND I, PROBABLY DRANK IN EVERY BAR AND BROTHEL, IN THE AREA...lol.

THE PEOPLE THAT WE MET IN LAREDO TEXAS, WERE SOME OF THE WARMEST AND KINDEST PEOPLE, THAT I EVER MET, AS A TRAVELLER. THAT AREA ON THE BORDER, IS NOW ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES ON THE PLANET......
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I enjoyed my time in Laredo as it was generally a fairly happy place. It was about as close as one could get to living in Mexico on this side of the Rio Grande. Laredo was over 90% hispanic and virtually everyone in Laredo had family on the other side and probably vice versa. The area of town I lived in was basically (aside from me) an extended Mexican family as just about all of my neighbors within several blocks were related to some degree. In those days, all one needed to do to visit Nuevo Laredo was walk across the bridge. No passports or crossing cards were required for Americans. Not so today.
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My first trip across the river was in ‘59, and several hundred times since then. I still work in Mexico, and when I cross the border, it’s at about 30,000 feet, (unless we clear at Del Rio then it’s a little closer to the ground).
The days of driving across ended for me when I stopped doing citizen repatriation, a few years ago.
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I pulled out my copy of Hatcher's Notebook. Hatcher was doing Army troop machine gun training at an Army school which was set up in Harlingen TX during the Punitive Expedition. He doesn't mention anything specifically about the Colt M1895 being used in Mexico during the campaign, but did say that the Army had earlier purchased about 160 of them for evaluation, and also that the Army never officially adopted the M1895. He mentions the M1904 Maxim gun but doesn't elaborate on it. His discussion is centered mainly on the Benet-Mercier and the Lewis Gun, 350 of which were bought directly from Savage in the .303 British caliber (the Lewis was not made in .30-'06 at that time) for use during the expedition. The Mexican Army had earlier bought some M1895s in 7mm Mauser, so there is no doubt that many of those were used during the Mexican Revolution. The U. S. Navy also had some M1895s in 6mm Lee Navy during the occupation of Vera Cruz. Pictures below show the M1904 on a pack mule, the Benet-Mercier in action in Mexico, a captured Mexican Colt M1895 and a Benet-Mercier (and other guns), a view of the Benet-Mercier, and Lewis Gun training.

Hatcher makes mention of the Army's practice at that time of filling the machine gun companies with soldiers who were disciplinary problems, and such men being difficult to train. I guess it was considered punishment to be in a MG company.
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I pulled out my copy of Hatcher's Notebook. Hatcher was doing Army troop machine gun training at an Army school which was set up in Harlingen TX during the Punitive Expedition. He doesn't mention anything specifically about the Colt M1895 being used in Mexico during the campaign, but did say that the Army had earlier purchased about 160 of them for evaluation, and also that the Army never officially adopted the M1895. He mentions the M1904 Maxim gun but doesn't elaborate on it. His discussion is centered mainly on the Benet-Mercier and the Lewis Gun, 350 of which were bought directly from Savage in the .303 British caliber (the Lewis was not made in .30-'06 at that time) for use during the expedition. The Mexican Army had earlier bought some M1895s in 7mm Mauser, so there is no doubt that many of those were used during the Mexican Revolution. The U. S. Navy also had some M1895s in 6mm Lee Navy during the occupation of Vera Cruz. Pictures below show the M1904 on a pack mule, the Benet-Mercier in action in Mexico, a captured Mexican Colt M1895 and a Benet-Mercier (and other guns), and a view of the Benet-Mercier.

Hatcher makes mention of the Army's practice at that time of filling the machine gun companies with soldiers who were disciplinary problems, and such men being difficult to train. I guess it was considered punishment to be in a MG company.
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How bout that crossdraw 1911?
Probably a lefty - like me!
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A few more pictures from the Punitive Expedition period. The last one shows Pershing's Apache scouts in Mexico with their M1911s.
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My great uncle "Tone" was with Blackjack. Must have been quite a shock for a young man from Iowa.
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There was a 2 gun, buscadero rig on display last Month at the Vegas Antique Arms Show...supposed to belong to Pancho Villa. Didn't take note of any letters, provenance, etc. I simply assumed it was a fake. LOL.
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In 1962 or 1963 My Wife and I, before we were married and two other couples drove from Carthage Mo to the Bagnell Dam on Lake Of The Ozarks close to Rockaway Beach Mo. To go Water Skiing for the weekend. Well We all went to Bagnell Dam to eat at a nice restaurant the way I remember it. And while we were there walking around taking in the sights. We found a Gun Show going on. And us guys finally convinced the girls that we should all go to the Gun Show and look around because none of the Girls had ever been to one of them. And My soon to be wife ((( MARTHA ))) was not to happy about this idea and was pretty vocal about it. However we all decided to go to the Gun Show any way. Almost as soon as we all got in we saw a lite large glass cabinet that was revolving around & around. And in that glass case was the most beautiful Nickel Plated fully engraved Single Action 45 Colt with Ivory Grips that had carved Steer Heads on both side that had big red rubies for the eyes. That they said the Gun had belong to Pancho Villa and was worth $10 Zillion Dollars and that was the most breathtaking Old Colt that I had ever seen in my life. And I looked and drooled over that Old SA Colt for as long as I could befor Martha drug me away. Well we got about 1/2 way thru the Gun Show and all HE## broke loose Alarms were going off and the light were lashing and there were cops all over the place and they close all the doors. Someone had stolen Pancho Villas Colt out of that glass cabinet and the place turned into a madhouse. People were Pushing a Pulling and Cussing and Yelling. And of all thing someone close to where we were all standing said the Cops were Strip Searching everyone before they would let them leave the building. And about that exact time Three Big Missouri Highway Patrols came up to us and told us to come with them. Well it got really ugly real fast when they grabbed Martha and I by the arm and said for us to come with them. Now all they were going to do was lead us out of the building but Martha thought they were really going to Strip Search Her right there. And the fight was on, Martha pulled away from the Missouri HP`s and started to make a run for it knocking over tables and displays as She went. Well every time they even got close to grabbing ahold of her the more tables and displays that were knocked over and I was trying to help the HP`s`s by this time. Finally one of the HP`s asked if i knew Her and I said yes and He said just try to grab Her and push Her out threw the exit. Which I was finally able to do. And when I finally got Martha outside in the alley a HP was yelling at me, to just take that damn crazy woman out of the area. Well our fun water skiing weekend kinda stopped right there. And We got in my car and went home and Martha didn't speak to me once the whole 2 +hour drive back to Carthage. Martha still to this day doesn't care much about Gun Shows.
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One of my first patients I was assigned to when I graduated from nursing school was an elderly black gentleman - a "Mr. Grover". Mr. Grover stood about my height (5'5"),but had the muscular physique of a much younger man. No one knew how old he was, and Mr. Grover said he "didn't have no papers cause he was born in the back of a wagon". He claimed to have been a blacksmith and mule skinner, and he also claimed to have been a Buffalo Soldier. Based on his physique, I had no doubts to his claims of having been a blacksmith. Oh, one other issue that Mr. Grover had was that he was suffering from dementia. If he decided he didn't care for your asking him to take a pill, or allow you to give him an insulin injection, well, let's just say that things could get real interesting. I found that by asking Mr. Grover about his past life, it would calm him down, and you wouldn't have to fight with him. Also, as a history buff, I found his stories fascinating.

One day, I asked Mr. Grover if he could remember any famous battles he had served in during his career in the military. I was surprised when he said he had served in the Pancho Villa "Punitive Expedition": Pancho Villa Expedition - Wikipedia

I was absolutely fascinated by this and asked Mr. Grover for more details such as his unit, his commanding officers, etc. Mr. Grover said his only recollection was that he was a Buffalo Soldier, and that was also his unit. Pressing for more information, I asked him what he was armed with. His answer was "a shovel". No, that couldn't be correct. He probably meant a 1903 Springfield rifle, or a 1911 Colt pistol in .45ACP, or maybe even a Krag Jorgenson rifle, or some other type of firearm in the U.S. Army inventory, but certainly not a shovel.

When I asked Mr. Grover again about his personal weapon, he again replied "a shovel". The look on my face must have spoken volumes to him, and Mr. Grover explained "boy, they wasn't going to let a black man with a gun stand behind no white officers". Oh, that made sense, and also told me that Mr. Grover might have had a problem with his temper, as well as with discipline and/or authority as a younger man.

Thus endeth my Buffalo Soldier and Pancho Villa story.

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Pancho Villa’s gubernatorial palace in Cd. Chihuahua has been turned into a museum. There are a lot of guns on display. Quite a few are said to have belonged to Villa. I would be inclined to believe that many were his, since no one was trying to sell them to me. There are also a lot of military weapons on display.

One of the high points is the Dodge in which Villa was riding when assassins caught up with him in Hidalgo de Parral. Lots of bullet holes in that vehicle. I have photos somewhere that I will post if I can dig them out of my unindexed Imageshack account. I found it interesting that the Dodge logo back then incorporated a Star of David. Dunno if that means the Dodge boys were Jewish, or if it has some other significance.
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I would have liked to have visited Columbus NM, the site of Villa's invasion of the USA, but never got close enough to it to make a side trip. I remember seeing some of the gals in the Juarez Boy's Town who looked old enough to have known him.
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Pancho Villa’s gubernatorial palace in Cd. Chihuahua has been turned into a museum. There are a lot of guns on display. Quite a few are said to have belonged to Villa. I would be inclined to believe that many were his, since no one was trying to sell them to me. There are also a lot of military weapons on display.

One of the high points is the Dodge in which Villa was riding when assassins caught up with him in Hidalgo de Parral. Lots of bullet holes in that vehicle. I have photos somewhere that I will post if I can dig them out of my unindexed Imageshack account. I found it interesting that the Dodge logo back then incorporated a Star of David. Dunno if that means the Dodge boys were Jewish, or if it has some other significance.
In the meantime.

Some photos of the car in which Jose Doroteo Arango was assassinated in 1923.

Edit. His secretary, Trillo apparently carried a double action Smith & Wesson revolver at his right hip. I think he had another handgun on his left.
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I would have liked to have visited Columbus NM, the site of Villa's invasion of the USA, but never got close enough to it to make a side trip. I remember seeing some of the gals in the Juarez Boy's Town who looked old enough to have known him.
Quite a while back, I flew over the town of Columbus, NM in a single engine airplane. I mentioned it in a letter to my father. He replied that I wasn't the first in my family to have been there!
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That burro is now very collectible.
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Some years ago now, I bought this .32 caliber revolver and razor in Chicago from a man named Leroy Brown.
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If I had to come up with a pistol that I’d attribute to a Mexican bandit- it would be that one.
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Uh, wait a second, are you sure they weren't fakes? Was this Leroy Brown a big guy - say about 6 foot 4? Was he hunting trouble? Did he pull the revolver from his pocket? Was the razor in his shoe? You really have to do your homework and ask good questions, check provenance and buy the gun and/or razor, not the story.

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