Seen this actual homemade 22 rifle online, claimed it was at a garage sale, I am at a loss for words to describe it.

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A good set of elk horn stags would be just the ticket to dress that baby up.

My Mosin M38 carbine:

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My $119.00 10-5, that I did 25+ years ago.

I learned a lot and had fun, The only thing I got help with was the plating. It's still very accurate, but "a bit dated".

No, I did not have a mullet.

Jim

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One of my favorites is nothing more than a dress up kit for the Ruger 10-22
On Halloween put on a pin stripe suite and your best hat and take it to the streets with you

There are many that I built over the years

Some time ago a SxS had it's barrels crushed during a robbery attempt. I bought it cheap and turned it into a nice little coach gun


Using a aftermarket target stock, bolt and trigger group for a Ruger 10-22 This receiver was machined from a billet of aluminium. It has an equipment rail machined into the receiver top. The barrel was turned from a match 22 blank. Unlike a Ruger, I threaded the barrel into the receiver for better accuracy.


Then thanks to inspiration from Bad_Man_one I have my 1014 and 1013 Smith and Wessons

And my Smith and Wesson CS10s


However those were not my first pistols converted to the 10MM Auto cartridge. I must have done this Mauser M2 10 years ago by now
There are more, but I am too tired to try and find the rest of the pictures. You know, Model 940s opened up for 38Super or CZ style pistols changed over to 9x23 Winchester or a Marlin Camp 356 now chambered for the Smith and Wesson 356TSW, etc, etc, etc.

A word of caution to the owner of the coach gun posted above. If those barrels are under 18 " and this gun will take readily available shotgun shells(which it likely will) it is IMO an unregistered sawed off shotgun per BATF regulations.
Jim

Throwing a rock might be safer?

I been buying up surplus military guns that bubba butchered and Turing then back to orginal condition. I have two converted rifles one German 98k and a Chilean 7mm Mauser. Both guns cost under $140 to build. Now there hunting rifles. I changed the barrel in the 98k at the cost of $37. She looks like a sniper 98k.

Here ya go.
A round butt 53 in 22LR

A 3 inch 19-7

A 3 inch 617-1

A 3 inch 17-8

A 3 inch 681

A 3 inch 44 magnum snubby

A 2.5 inch 44 magnum snubby

A 2.5 inch 17/19 Frankengun

A 3.5 inch Pre-War 3844 snubby

I'm gonna' go put a new blade on my hacksaw.

Ned

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Jim,
The barrels of the Coach Gun are 11" and it is chambered for 12 Gauge 3" shells

There is no such thing as a "sawed off shotgun per BATF regulations".

This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934.

Federal Law refers to this firearm as a Short Barreled Shotgun.

Ned,
I think I am seeing the start of a pattern here

Since its overall length appears to be greater than 26", I suspect it falls in the same category as the Shockwave. But I'd hate to try and explain that at the side of the road . . .

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Nice work Nedroe

In my state ANY SHOTGUN BARREL UNDER 19 INCHES is illegal.

I think that is my understanding of the current law.

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It is a sawed off shotgun unless it came from the factory with that barrel length: And then to be legal it would have to be registered as a Short Barreled Shotgun. You sawed the barrels to that length and it will shoot currently available ammunition. Anyway that's my understanding and you might want to check further with the BATF.
Jim

Below is taken directly from the NFA:

Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a shotgun with a barrel length shorter than 18 inches (46 cm) or an overall length shorter than 26 inches (66 cm)) (under U.S.C.

If the above has been rescinded or eliminated i am unaware of it.

My apologies if my post led you to believe that I was referring to the laws of the State or City that you reside in. I have no personal knowledge of what goes on in your municipality

My comments were exclusively directed at the Federal Laws that have been enacted since 1929.

Back on topic:

How about a .455 ELEY converted to .45 Colt and cut down to 3.5". The lanyard ring was removed and the hole plugged

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and here is a 5906 that has a 5" slide, night sights, mag well, and combat mag release added:

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Jim,
You appear to be unaware of a great many things

Quote:

Originally Posted by italiansport Below is taken directly from the NFA:

No it was taken directly from WIKIPEDIA and copied onto numerous other boards.

WIKIPEDIA (a publicly maintained reference) is not a reliable source to quote for what is and is not legal. There is really no need for something reported in WIKIPEDIA to be rescinded

There is no FEDERAL Law that prevents citizens of the United States that do not fall into the Prohibited Persons category from LEGALLY Owning shotguns with barrels under 18" or rifles with barrels under 16" or Sub Machine Guns or Bazookas or Tanks or practically any other "ARM" that we may desire

BTW, where is your contribution to this BUBBA thread? Naturally I mean outside of this thread drift

Really?

I copied that over from Wiki because it was quick and direct. Well maybe you'll understand this better! And Yes a person can legally own a SBR or machine gun in many States provided it is PROPERLY registered.

CHAPTER 2. WHAT ARE “FIREARMS” UNDER THE NFA?
Section 2.1 Types of NFA firearms
The NFA defines the specific types of firearms subject to the provisions of the Act. These definitions
describe the function, design, configuration and/or dimensions that weapons must have to be NFA
firearms. In addition to describing the weapon, some definitions (machinegun, rifle, shotgun, any other
weapon) state that the firearm described also includes a weapon that can be readily restored to fire. A
firearm that can be readily restored to fire is a firearm that in its present condition is incapable of
expelling a projectile by the action of an explosive (or, in the case of a machinegun, will not in its
present condition shoot automatically) but which can be restored to a functional condition by the
replacement of missing or defective component parts. Please be aware that case law is not specific but
courts have held that the “readily restorable” test is satisfied where a firearm can be made capable of
renewed automatic operation, even if it requires some degree of skill and the use of tools and parts.
2.1.1 Shotgun A shotgun is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the
energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of
projectiles or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.10 A shotgun subject to the NFA has a barrel
or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
| 15 inches _ |They show an example here but the picture didn't copy.
The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of
attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and
measured.
10 26

I'd recommend you contact any BATF office if you still don't agree that this is the law.

Oh and as far as "bubbad" firearms go I disassembled an L.C. Smith Shotgun I'd acquired with some other guns several years back. It was in perfect operating condition but the barrels had been cut to 17 3/4" inch by someone who apparently couldn't measure. I sold off the usable parts and destroyed what was left of the barrels.

Jim,
I am not the one that needs to better understand FEDERAL Law

I totally understand the difference between NFA Title I and Title II.

I'm done posting the facts and trying to explain. You of course are entitled to believe whatever you want. I honestly hope you don't get caught with that shotgun in your possession as it is definitely an unregistered and illegal firearm. I wish you good luck!

I have a "restored" Krag carbine that I put together from 2 "bubba'd" Krags. The stock even has cartouches!

He never said it wasn't a proper NFA firearm. You did. He's playing you. Clearly, he has taken the steps necessary to legally possess this firearm. Because if he hasn't . . .

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I'm thinking maybe nedroe mis-read the "bubba" part of the thread header ! ?
I don't see anything resembling a bubba gun in his lot of fine looking mods.

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You should have had the barrels threaded then soldered extended choke tubes into them. Would have made a great grouse gun...

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If you go back to my original post all I did was caution him about "sawed off shotguns". It was my attempt to point out a problem to someone I don't know nor did I know his understanding of the law.
In retrospect Muss I guess you're right and I've been "played". In the future I'll think twice before I try and give some one an honest warning.
Jim

Jim,
I can assure you that what you that what you have cut from other forums and pasted here are not complete FACTs. At least not in the manner that you have presented them.

If you re-read Post #11, I clearly tell you that "This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934"

Do you think I am intentionally lying to you and my Fellow Forum Members? What would I gain by doing that?

Who do you think is going to catch me?

Why do you insist on telling me that this is not a Legal Firearm?

When it comes to FEDERAL Laws regarding "ARMS" there is very little that can not be possed by a Law Abiding American Citizen.

The only person that may have "Played" you is yourself

Now back to BUBBAing things up for yourself.

While not a Firearm, this is the first suppressor I ever designed
It is longer than it needs to be for a handgun. That is because at the time I wanted it to have enough volume and cooling for use on a Sub-Machine Gun.

I have altered the internals three times getting it quieter with each revision

To this day I have still never had the bare metal finished. I think it looks good that way on the nickel plated Walther PPK/s

Clang,
Tell us some more about the origin of that 5" slide and barrel you used.

I love the look and feel of the 5" and 6" double stack Smith and Wessons

And this is why forum members shouldn't try to police other peoples posts. Nice project guns colt_saa.

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Your statement regarding legality is misleading to say the least. I just warned you of the consequences if it wasn't registered. I guess Ill have to re-post the complete BATF set of regulations in the future to make sure everything is clear.
And why do you insist that I'm wrong in stating that if it isn't registered it's illegal to possess.? I personally own multiple NFA firearms and I'm WELL aware of the legality issues. I, and I guess shouldn't have bothered, was just trying to warn you of the consequences of possessing an unregistered NFA firearm IF THAT WAS THE CASE. I'll think twice before I do this in the future.
To whoever suggested lengthening the barrels on the L C Smith. I had checked on doing just that at it wasn't worth the expense.

I would not want that sawed off in my pocession without a tax stamp, for the gun

I had a atf agent pull out a tape one day on a 16 inch marlin mounty, I told him it was at 16 and 1/8 inch but he went to his car and brought in a tape measure to check,

You can buy a new pederosi.howda in 45lc/410
Legaly, but if you are caught in pocession of an unregistered old iticha auto/burglar in 410, it's federal time

How about an otherwise decent Mauser with welded-on scope rings?[IMG][/IMG]

Jim,
It is not misleading in the least, it is 100% factual.

On the other hand, you NEVER made the statement that "if it isn't registered it's illegal to possess" in any of your posts, you simply proclaimed MY firearm as UNREGISTERED and therefore ILLEGAL (more than once). Go re-read your own posts if you doubt me

If your goal was truly a "Friendly Warning", you would have done it as a PM.

You chose to Grand Stand instead

BTW if you want to appear more credible on the facts, the next time at least get the Agency's name correct. It was changed many years ago

One or two people have continued to assume that colt_saa's coach gun is unregistered. Myself, I never did, because he posted a picture of his rather short-barreled shotgun in public. I don't reckon most folk ON THIS BOARD would do that if it weren't registered. Later, he posted the following.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm having trouble understanding how that gun would be 100% legal if it weren't registered.

No radical assumptions here, at least on the part of those understood from the very beginning that the gun was registered. Colt_saa told me so, and that was good enough for me.

P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but is that a $5 device or a $200 device?

Model520Fan,
Thank You

There are actually Three different FEDERAL taxes when discussing Title II firearms A "Making Tax" and a "Transfer Tax" that are not always the same for a particular firearm. These are paid for on Federal Form 5320.1 and 5320.4 respectively. These are commonly referred to simply as Form 1 or Form 4.

The Third possibility is a Special Occupational Taxpayer or SOT. This is an annual fee mostly geared to manufacturers and dealers. The making of a Title II firearm is tax free for an SOT though it is reported on Federal Form 5320.2 as you probably guessed this is more commonly called a Form 2

Since my Title II Coach Gun started life with a full shoulder stock, the National Firearms Act defines it as a Short Barreled Shotgun which is often abbreviated SBS. In regards to an SBS, both the Making Tax and Transfer Tax are $200

If you built one from scratch that had a pistol grip stock as opposed to the shoulder stock, the Making Tax would remain at $200 (it is $200 for any device) however the firearm is now defined as a Smooth Bore Pistol and falls under the Title II category of "Any Other Weapon" which is often abbreviated as AOW. Any subsequent sales of the firearm would incur the Transfer Tax for an AOW, only $5

There are other idiosyncrasies in the law, after all it was written almost 90 years ago and ruled on incorrectly when the Defendant (Miller) failed to appear before SCOTUS in United States v. Miller back in 1939

I have a Performance Center Tactical .40 with a 5" slide and I liked it so much I always wanted a 5" 9mm too. A fellow forum member had a few 5" slides that he sold right here on this forum 10-15 years ago. He had 4 or 5 of them and they weren't exactly inexpensive, but being so rare I jumped on one. I believe they were overruns from S&W for the Super 9 or something similar, but I don't know for sure.

Here is the gun I was trying to make a 9mm version of:

The .40 has a Briley bushing and some cosmetic differences, but close enough

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I have shown this old war horse many times, but it is a really good example of "Bubba". Model 12 military riot gun with all the military proofs and marks. The only changes from original are a Weaver choke, beavertail forearm, checkered stock, pistol grip cap and rubber butt pad. Other than that it's completely original. I got this as is at Montgomery Wards in 1954 for $55.00. Left original it would be quite a prize now, but I wouldn't have had the pleasure of using it all these years.

For any interested it has a legal 20" barrel.









For any military collectors I also have a 1937 K98 Mauser bring back that is equally chopped up. It has all the waffenampts and proper proofs and pipe wrench marks on the barrel.

I have saved so many Bubbas I couldn't begin to list them. But
don't consider most any great achievement. Dozens of shotguns
cut for damaged barrels or just to build slug guns. Repairing
or fitting stocks from one model to another. Hand making small
parts, ect everyday stuff. The gun I really wanted to salvage I
gave up on. I had a Colt SxS 12g hammer gun that some bubba
cut off with a hacksaw. The longest point on it was about 17".
When I say longest point, it was a terrible cut off. I got it off a
Deputy, the Sheriff had given it to him because he thought it
would be considered BP & antique under NFA. The only reason
I fooled with it was it was a club gun. The wood would made
Roy Weatherby cry. Gun was 99% inside and out. I could not
come up with a decent way to save it. After several years of
looking for a set of barrels I traded it to a guy that specialized
in old SXSs. I saved many repeaters cut off illegal buy fitting
them with a Cutts or Poly. Figured a fine old double with duel
Cutts would be weird.

I sawed up this .303 when I was a teenager and still don’t regret it. It is much handier and makes a great truck gun. With a full mag and butt cuff I have 19 rounds of “Rule 303” at my disposal. And Randy likes it.

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A few of my bubba jobs
A 5" pinned and RECESSED 25-5
My Brazilian 45acp/colt revolving carbine
Mt 1917 45acp combat masterpiece
a 529-1 into a 45acp/colt
q 32 topbreak single action belt buckel

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opps here is the carbine

a 75 caliber cannon I made

and another 8 3/8 629-1 that becomes a 5" 45 colt

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Just so there are no misunderstandings among folks who might read your post and not get the significance of what you've said.

Your picture certainly made a blip on my radar and my first thought was "he better have the approved Form 1 or Form 4 and tax stamp to go with that".

"18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(8) provides, “The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches” and Section 921(a)(6) provides, “The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.” Similarly, the National Firearms Act, in essence, defines it the same way in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a), although it is broken down slightly different."

In short, it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a short barreled modern smokeless powder shotgun without proper registration and tax stamp from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Dicking around with the semantics between 'sawed off shotgun' and 'short barreled shotgun' and suggesting there is no such thing as a 'sawed off shotgun' per the BATF could lead to a misinterpretation that could get someone in serious trouble.

If you consider any gun modifed to be bubba'd, this would be one of the ultimate. First model of 91 S&W single shot target pistol modified the the great H M [Harry] Pope, famous gunsmith & marksman. It has added side adjustable rear target sight, crosscut trigger, trigger stop, Olympic chamber 22 short, 10 inch sleeved barrel. The work was done for R H Sayre, longtime officer & founder of the United States Revolver Association., as well as longtime record holder of U.S. M&P revolver competition & Captain of the first four U.S. Olympic pistol & revolver shooting teams.

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I was thinking that Elephant, or Mammoth ivory, would be more suitable to complement the superb, basic, weapon.

Chubbo

I’ve think I’ve posted these before. I like buying bare frames or broken guns and parts kits. My favorite is the smama I’ve definet posted before. 50 years from now someone is going to be real confused

Sorry no pictures........................but


I just built a S&W "6915" 4th Gen auto ....... kind of a S&W CCO

It's a 6906 frame (the "firearm" w/ serial #) and a complete upper (frame and slide) from a 915. Two tone finish,stippled grips and added a 5904 hammer. Got about 100 rounds through it without a hiccup!

Squidsix has also built one...... but at least he has pictures!!!!!!

OK,
Here is this winter's BUBBA

A Marlin lever-action chambered for 45 LC
As is pretty obvious, it is now a Take Down Lever Gun

A stainless block was matched in contour for the barrel half of the rifle.

It threads together and has a ball/detent lockup below the magazine tube.

The magazine tube itself slides into the receiver and locks in place to further prevent separation of the halves, intentionally or otherwise.


I just need to remember where I put the hood for the front sight. It works better that way with the Lyman Tang sight