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Old 04-12-2018, 08:20 PM
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I have been reading and watching the threads and reports on the 365 and here are my thoughts. I would not buy one until it has been out for at least 6 months without reports of issues.
I have not had a single failure from my Shield and have lots of confidence in it, especially for my CC weapon. With that said, a reliable, higher capacity and smaller CC weapon that my Shield....I will be interested down the road. However, I would be even more interested if it were a Shield version of the 365!


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Old 04-13-2018, 12:41 AM
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There are a lot of videos on YouTube covering the P365. Some match Shield vs P369.
My lgs does not have any in stock but it sells for $499.00 when they get more in.
I will keep my Shield 9mm, but I have a 3904 with 4 stainless 8 round mags that has about 100 rounds through it I can sell for that price. (where the trigger guard meets the grip it has sharp edges and with big hands,it hurts to shoot it).
Like most post hear,I will wait a couple of months before I look at one. They have already made changes to the first production run. They upgraded to a top quality night sight and added 1 pound to the recoil spring for starters.
One major issue I have seen on YouTube is that it has very little space to rest your thumb if you use the standard 2 thumbs along the frame. I don’t,so it would not be a problem for me.
I have always liked Sigs so I will give it serious thought.
For now though I will still carry my 2” 38 Special with 2 speed strips.

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Old 04-13-2018, 10:31 AM
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Seems that 99% of all the reviews if the latest version of the 365 still has some issues like slide not locking open after last test. In the vid posted it did not lock back 2X out of 100 rounds.

In another new vid by TFB during 500 shots it did not lock back 3 X and also lately there have been about 6 reports of the firing pin breaking after 150 rounds.

After the vid i listed the guy did put adhesive grips on his gun to have more/better grip.

Thoughts on causes of slide not locking back on empty mag?

Weak mag springs, bad follower, weak slide stop spring or possibly even a prob with the RGRod .

Had similar issue with slide never locking back on a NIB APX 21 rd. mag due to weak spring and had to return 2 before i got a good 1 but on this mag its a known issue.

If they ever make a +2 mag extension for the 12 rd. mag and if issues ever get solved i may get 1???????
My thoughts are that if the slide is not locking back that few times and not always, it very well might not be a mechanical problem. I went through this with my CM-9 when I first got it years ago and my thumb was the culprit. I've mentioned before that the current gripping technique with thumbs close to the slide might be a problem for some handguns.

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Old 04-13-2018, 11:13 AM
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I have to agree with the post from Fastbolt. Whether the P 365 is an "upgrade" is a very personal decision. I had a Shield for starters and bought the gen2 version of the Sig with the new nightsights. After 4 trips to the range I've decided I hate the slim, almost round, grip and wasn't able to find a grip style that worked and allowed me to shoot up to my normal levels. I've ordered a Shield 2.0 and a friend wants the Sig. So from my perspective the Shield is an "upgrade".
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:19 AM
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Wait for the 365 to become widely available. When the Shield first came out I bought one for $550. Two months later I sold it for $550. My 2nd Shield cost closer to $300. What’s the rush all you Early Adopters, it ain’t magical.
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Old 04-14-2018, 07:05 PM
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I'm not sold on the idea the P365 is that much of an upgrade. The grip is a bit small meaning shootability will be compromised. Unless you have really small mitts you're gonna have to consciously adjust your hold. But as long as you're good with that & Sig has worked out the kinks you should be ok.
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Old 04-15-2018, 01:15 AM
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Wifey just shot her new 365. Out of 8 mags, slide didn't lock back 4 times for her. The last mag she shot was one of my two mags with which I have shot 450 through (at least 45 mags split between 2, and I didn't always fill them with 10).

Next time will load one and shoot. I don't think it's the mag or pistol.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:39 PM
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I got to try a 365 with a buddy out in the desert this morning. We traded pistols, he tried my Shield 45 and I tried his P365 9MM...

I felt myself that I didn't much care for the very small grip of the 365. It didn't naturally point very well for ME as compared with the Shield. As far as concealment there isn't much difference. As far as the round count the 365 for sure has a lot of of teeny-tiny bullets in that magazine. But, the .45 was more accurate and easier to shoot in my hands, as well as throwing a heavier projectile. I prefer the Shield.

My buddy agreed that he probably would get a Shield in .45 instead of the Sig but he THOUGHT that it would be much more snappy and harder to carry concealed. He should have tried one....

I like the Sig just fine. It's a very nice pistol with a very high capacity for such a small pistol. It functioned well, though I had a stoppage within a few rounds probably due to my grip on the little bugger ... I don't think it was a flaw in the pistol's design or anything, it's just that I think I'd have to get used to the grip and such.

I'll stick with the Shield 45. My favorite EDC of all time ....
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:52 PM
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My local Academy managed to get 2 in-stock. $499, with night sights and two 10rd magazines.

GrabAGun has the 12rd magazines for $43/each. Ordered two myself.

The 365 fits very nicely in the Desantis Dual Carry II leather holster for the Glock 42.

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Old 04-21-2018, 11:27 PM
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My local Academy managed to get 2 in-stock. $499, with night sights and two 10rd magazines.

GrabAGun has the 12rd magazines for $43/each. Ordered two myself.

The 365 fits very nicely in the Desantis Dual Carry II leather holster for the Glock 42.

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GrabAGun *has*? I signed up for alerts and they get sold within an hour or so. Just like the pistols
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:37 AM
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GrabAGun *has*? I signed up for alerts and they get sold within an hour or so. Just like the pistols
True. I'm also on the email chain for several pistols that typically sell within an hour of being in stock. Right place, right time I suppose. Picking them up at their storefront tomorrow.
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:35 PM
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I have a 9 and a 45 Shield. They accomplish everything I need from a handgun, so I see no reason to replace them.
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Old 04-22-2018, 03:51 PM
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The Shield was my second handgun and I loved it, my wife not so much because she couldn't rack it. That issue worked itself out after a few hundred rounds and she now loves it as well. I've bought many other handguns since and recently bought a P365 with a born date of 26 Mar 18. It is a wonderful gun and we both really like shooting it. We've had zero issues and don't personally know any of my range buddies or friends having the issues that have been reported. Only a couple of hundred rounds so far, but it is running like a top. Would I sell my Shield, no because we both like it and it has sentimental value as well. I am about to get rid of my 1911 though. Fun, but expensive to shoot, a pain to clean, too big for me to carry concealed, etc. I know many will think I'm crazy, but I just don't have as much love for the 1911 as I do the Shield, G19-4, S&W 642, P 229 and the P365.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:03 PM
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The Shield was my second handgun and I loved it, my wife not so much because she couldn't rack it. That issue worked itself out after a few hundred rounds and she now loves it as well. I've bought many other handguns since and recently bought a P365 with a born date of 26 Mar 18. It is a wonderful gun and we both really like shooting it. We've had zero issues and don't personally know any of my range buddies or friends having the issues that have been reported. Only a couple of hundred rounds so far, but it is running like a top. Would I sell my Shield, no because we both like it and it has sentimental value as well. I am about to get rid of my 1911 though. Fun, but expensive to shoot, a pain to clean, too big for me to carry concealed, etc. I know many will think I'm crazy, but I just don't have as much love for the 1911 as I do the Shield, G19-4, S&W 642, P 229 and the P365.
You bring up a good point. After getting a Sig P320, I really hate cleaning my 1911's and even my S&W model 19 and other revolvers. Looks like the P 365 is as easy to disassemble and clean as the P 320.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:57 PM
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I bought several plastic guns and they all shoot well.
For me, I still like a .38 or 3913 better for carry or home protection. The others shoot paper and plastic bottles for fun.
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You bring up a good point. After getting a Sig P320, I really hate cleaning my 1911's and even my S&W model 19 and other revolvers. Looks like the P 365 is as easy to disassemble and clean as the P 320.
The 365 is easy to reassemble for sure. I have noticed a problem that others have brought up, and that is the difficulty taking the slide off for cleaning. It is a very tight fit and requires much more effort than any of my 9m's and 1911. Tight tolerance? Sweet gun but that is one attribute that I'd like changed.

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Old 04-24-2018, 11:49 AM
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The 365 is easy to reassemble for sure. I have noticed a problem that others have brought up, and that is the difficulty taking the slide off for cleaning. It is a very tight fit and requires much more effort than any of my 9m's and 1911. Tight tolerance? Sweet gun but that is one attribute that I'd like changed.

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Don't you think it will loosen up a bit after some use. Then it will be just right.
I'm not sure since it seems to be metal on metal but fingers crossed. It isn't a problem, just an annoyance. The Shield was very hard to rack when I first bought it (my wife couldn't do it), but it has loosened up nicely so maybe you're right.
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I have a Glock 43 and a Shield 45. I've owned the Shield 9, as well. I got a chance to shoot a friend's P365. I only shot 20 rounds at 10 yards on a 2/3 size silhouette, but I made all head shots firing pretty fast. The gun felt good in my large-size hands and I didn't feel any lack of grip or control. This is subjective, and everyone will have their own sense about such things, but I like the P365. If it proves to be reliable and durable, I'll likely get one. I doubt I'll get rid of my G43 and I know I'll be keeping my Shield 45, but it's hard to turn down 10+ magazines in a package that small as an off-duty or retiree gun.
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I have a Glock 43 and a Shield 45. I've owned the Shield 9, as well. I got a chance to shoot a friend's P365. I only shot 20 rounds at 10 yards on a 2/3 size silhouette, but I made all head shots firing pretty fast. The gun felt good in my large-size hands and I didn't feel any lack of grip or control. This is subjective, and everyone will have their own sense about such things, but I like the P365. If it proves to be reliable and durable, I'll likely get one. I doubt I'll get rid of my G43 and I know I'll be keeping my Shield 45, but it's hard to turn down 10+ magazines in a package that small as an off-duty or retiree gun.
It's good that it fit you and shot well....I have always loved the Shield's...9's & 45's....so I solved the 365 problem with my shield 9.....wish I could do the same with my Shield 45..

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Old 04-24-2018, 11:02 PM
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I just got a P365 today, haven't shot it yet.

That doesn't mean I'm going to sell my Shield.

I'm really hoping for the Shield M03 to have 10-12 rounds, and be a little easier to rack. Then I would probably trade my Shield M01 in for it.
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One thing I find interesting is from all the reported "problems" with the Sig P365, they continue to be flying off the shelves. Either folks figure that Sig has addressed the "problems" or people are just so favorably impressed with the features of the P365 that they think that those features far outweigh any reported "problems". Of course, there is always a segment of the gun owning community that wants the latest and greatest regardless.

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Seems many are replacing their Shields with the P365 and i will say the 365 interests me and i will look at 1 if i ever see 1!

Anybody here got 1 yet or planning on getting 1?
I have two Shields, one with a Shield RMS sight. I'm in line at Quantico Tactical for the P365 (Looks like June) but I have no intention of selling either of my Shields. The P365 is a different pistol from the Shield. The overall size is different the P365 being
smaller. The slightly heavier and slightly larger Shield has enough heft and excellent ergos for fine shooting. I believe the heft will prove to give the Shield a continuing fine shoot ability.
I think the P365 will be a really fine shooter and will be the one
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I think as a duty BUG the P365 will win that one too.
My two Shields will stay as part of the family.
In our somewhat cool winters my P320 Compact serves as a fine__and comforting EDC with a light outer cover.
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Anybody here got 1 yet or planning on getting 1?
I know I'm probably going to upset some people, but let me preface this by stating up front that:

One, I used to own a Shield a few years ago (the one without a manual safety, and I liked it a lot!),

Two, my EDC is a M&P Bodyguard 380 (full disclosure) and a Sig Sauer P229 Enhanced Elite in .357 SIG and 9mm (my favorite pistol of all time), and

Three, I've owned and carried at least 15 concealed carry firearms since 2005, and all but three of them were striker-fired handguns without a manual safety.

That said, I would not buy a SIG P365 anytime soon. In fact, I wouldn't buy one for years (and perhaps not at all if they don't make a change I believe should be made).

I personally believe a striker fired pistol (not merely a DAO), especially without a manual safety, should have a trigger safety based on what happened with the P320 last year.

There's a reason virtually every striker-fired pistol has a trigger safety. The ones that don't are typically actually either DAO (with a longer/heavier take up), or they have a manual safety.

For some reason that really, really pisses people off (after all, I am just giving an opinion).

After SIG denied there was a problem with the P320 last year, they finally admitted it, but they only started revealing some of the truth about the nature of the problem very gradually (again, in my opinion).

If I remember correctly, first, like I said, they denied it.

Then, whether directly or indirectly, we were told it only happened when the pistol was dropped from one particular angle (until we saw independent testing recreating the unintentional discharges occuring from more than one angle).

I think we were then told we would have an answer/solution the following Monday, and when we got it (I think it may have been late), we were essentially told that the UD was the result of an inertia problem because the physical trigger was too heavy (not the trigger pull, but the mass of the trigger itself).

It was quickly disseminated that it was an easy fix (a new lighter trigger) and that this only affected the regular P320's and not the XM17 Modular Handgun System competition version.

In other words, we were told that by replacing the trigger with a lighter one, there would not be enough inertia to move it if the P320 was hit, slammed or dropped disengaging the sear and the firing pin/striker safety (causing the round to go off).

I met with a SIG Sauer rep discussing a P229, and while I had his ear, I asked about the changes they made and he opened up both an original and a modified P320 to show me the changes that were made (which I highly respected him for taking the time to do). I don't remember all the changes, but they clearly went beyond the physical trigger. If I remember correctly, they also involved modifications of the trigger bar, the sear, and possibly the firing pin safety (but I honestly don't remember being only marginally interested at the time).

I then later read that the Army had some UD's with the XM17 pistol among other things (I believe that was reported in Army Times, but don't hold me to that. It could have been another publication).

Getting curious now, I started looking more into it. I used to have a government administration job, and part of my responsibility had to do with reviewing and preparing contracts, so I read the Army's original RFP verbatim (not too many people can say they've done that). I also read Glock's protest and the GAO's response to Glock's letter. I also then consulted the Army's SOP regarding "rough handling" testing for rifles, shotguns, and pistols (both ones from the 20th and 21st centuries).

I don't want to write a book here, but I'll say this. Glock was right to protest because the US Army did NOT complete the MANDATORY testing (nor did they have the right procedures in place in at least one particular aspect in my opinion).

Like I said, I read the contract verbatim (and no, I don't plan on doing that again), and in no way was either pistol exempt from completing testing procedures that "shall" be performed in evaluation (for example, extreme temperature testing). If anyone wants to read the RFP, look for the word shall which removes discretion (i.e. not doing the testing when appropriate). If anyone wants to debate the legal use of the word shall, go ahead and read the opinion in Marbury v. Madison (1803) and read Article III Section 2 paragraph 2 and make sure you undertand what Chief Justice John Marshall meant about "surplusage" language.

Anyway, I also did not find the usual testing procedures for drop testing (what the Army I believe calls "rough handling") which is basically the same for rifles, shotguns, and pistols.

I don't remember whether SIG said this, or someone merely said SIG sold this, or if someone made it up, but I had heard more than once that the drop testing procedure called for dropping the gun from only one angle (the idea being that the SOP likely wouldn't have uncovered the P320's problem). I heard this echoed throughout YouTube, but all of the SOPs I read called for dropping the pistol from multiple angles, and both the XM17 RFP and the SOP's were incredibly detailed about all testing requirements (again, I actually read the whole thing). If you don't believe me, look it up (Test Operations Procedure (TOP)
03-2-045A Small Arms - Hand and Shoulder Weapons and Machine Guns).

What I also learned by painstakingly reading the RFP was that this was a particular kind of bid where price wasn't to be the deciding factor. In other words, often government contracts require going with the lowest bidder, and we all heard how SIG came in for a cheaper price, so the assumption was that the testing was stopped prematurely and awarded to SIG based on price (even though there is NO provision for this in the RFP). Price was certainly a factor, but it was not to be the final word in making the decision. Contracts are also sometimes drawn this way when the ultimate goal isn't to save money on the particular contract itself. In this case, it was more important to get the best option for our troops (which I agree with).

So it appears SIG won without the Army completing the mandatory testing, but I also heard a lot of rumors about problems the Glock was having and that, even though it operated well enough (e.g. accuracy), in certain tests it didn't work as well as the SIG.

Much later, however, I started getting reports about how the opposite may have been true (that the SIG had some issues not previously mentioned). After all, there are quite a few YouTube videos showing how the gun jammed.

Then we found out about the P320's drop safety issue. After all, a police officer (in Connecticut?) had allegedly dropped his pistol in its holster and it still allegedly went off (I don't know if the case was settled). That's a pretty significant fail. YouTube then exploded with the videos I mentioned earlier.

In my opinion, I think awarding SIG the contract was a foregone conclusion (for whatever reasons people make deals above or below the table). I think when the unintentional discharge occurred, it created a huge problem beyond mere embarrassment because Glock had already complained that the mandatory testing hadn't been completed. Furthermore, they didn't seem to be applying the same drop testing procedures the Army always uses for handguns and other weapons (which might even mean they knew about the issue ahead of time and avoided the more stringent testing, but figured they'd take care of the problem later). After all, SIG used to have a version, and perhaps they still do, that has a trigger safety, yet it wasn't used in the "upgrade").

I think the US Army might have forced SIG's hand to both 1) make a "voluntary upgrade" in lieu of a mandatory recall, and 2) find a solution without using the trigger safety they have a design for.

Think about it. The Army gives the contract to SIG violating their own RFP, Glock takes it up with the Government Accountability Office who's clever BS response doesn't actually get to the bottom of Glock's concerns (about the incomplete testing), and then we get wind of a police officer suing SIG for the unintentional discharge. At that point there are denials until people from gun stores and others start posting YouTube videos showing that it does go off unintentionally (from a variety of angles). At that point, the first question on people's minds is, "How come the Army testing didn't uncover this?" followed by "Why was the drop testing less stringent than their normal protocols?" (after all, it would likely have caught this).

As you can see, the US Army and SIG were in a precarious situation with the P320's unintentional discharge problem, especially after a general told ArmyTimes that he thought the XM17 MHS competition was a waste of money and that he should have been allowed to just go to Cabela's with a credit card and work out a deal to buy a bunch of Glock 19's. After all, if you look at the price of the SIG Sauer pistols the Army bought (essentially including a ten year warranty), you'll notice that the true costs were not revealed at first. I don't remember the numbers, but it was reported that they went up dramatically many months later, and if you work it out, the cost of each pistol would have bought multiple P320 pistols which already come with a lifetime warranty. If it was a rifle, a soldier's primary weapon, I might think that was a wise decision, but I err with the general who wanted to buy off the shelf and safe the money. After all, Glock, and M&P's for that matter, are well proven designs.

So what do you do when you're faced with a major recall the Army should have caught during mandatory testing that was cut short (where they awarded a contract prematurely for a pistol that wasn't even drop safe)???

First, you don't ever call it a recall, and you don't make it mandatory. Instead, you call it a "voluntary upgrade." That makes people think the problem is not a problem at all but a preference.

Then you make sure that the fix isn't something glaring like a trigger safety which would elicit more questions about the testing SIG's XM17 design underwent during the competition.

See, I told you I'd piss some people off!!!

Others I think will understand the value of what I'm alluding to, and it's a problem with our government (cartel) generally.

I am not trying to bash SIG, I carry a SIG pistol, but I really think the US Army and SIG both screwed up, and I don't appreciate the way either entity handled the situation. I don't even own a Glock at the moment (though I've had five over the last 13 years I've been concealed carrying), but I think the contract should have gone to Glock. No question.

I'm also fairly sure Glock was well aware of the pattern that emerged (and that they know far more than I do). I also imagine some promises may have been made to be delivered sometime down the road to seem unrelated to keep Glock quiet. That is pure speculation on my part, but it's not without historical precedent). Perhaps some more agencies will be adopting Glock pistols down the road, for example (or we'll be paying more for the ones we already have).

Regardless of whether I'm right about the XM17/P320 situation, the P365 still lacks a trigger safety.

Perhaps they've changed the trigger bar/sear engagement geometry to truly rectify the problem, but remember this, building a striker-fired pistol without a trigger safety (and w/o a manual safety) was already a very uncommon practice when they introduced the P320 originally, so they would have already proven to themselves and others once already that they came up with a safe design, but it ended up taking a few years to find out they were marketing an unsafe pistol (again, my opinion).

How do we know it was rectified with the P365? I don't think for a minute that SIG new they were selling pistols that would fire when dropped, so I can only assume they were wrong the first time and that they may be wrong again since they didn't fix the problem with a trigger safety (or include one on the P365).

Instead, the trigger is lighter. Let's think about that for a second. There are at least two things involved with inertia, mass and velocity. We know when dealing with ammunition, velocity is squared because it will get you to a higher energy output quicker than increasing the mass of the bullet (i.e. E = m x v˛). When you think about the lighter trigger in those terms, it would clearly take even more velocity to cause the problem we had in the P320. So what happens if the pistol is dropped from a very high place (higher than the four or five feet they usually test from)??? How about off the top of a building? Does the increase in velocity make up for the decrease in mass (so that another unintentional discharge occurs)?

I don't care too much that SIG made an unsafe pistol. It can happen. What's important is what we do to resolve our mistakes, and I just don't trust how they're handing themselves under current management. That's just my opinion. I don't have any inside information, this is just from my own observations about what's been going on over the last year.

All I know is that Glocks don't do that, and they've been proving themselves for over three decades. Yes, they've had problems with initial roll outs like everyone else, but people have dropped Glocks from planes and helicopters, and I don't know of one unintentionally discharging without something getting caught in the trigger guard (like a drawstring, finger, or tree stump or something).

That said, until there's more transparency about what actually happened and how we can know for sure the problem has been resolved, I will take a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield everyday—all the livelong day—over any SIG striker fired pistol without a trigger safety. I respect the P365's magazine design, it truly is a gamechanger in some ways, but I also imagine the Shield shoots better. You can also get MagGuts for it and bring the flush round to 8+1. In my opinion, that's good enough for a pistol of that size.

That's just my opinion, but it's not one I made without a lot of forethought. Please go easy on me, I didn't write this way-too-long-of-a-post to start a fight.

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You have obviously put a lot of thought into this and I'll meet you out back behind the dumpster tonight. If I'm not there start without me I'll be along shortly.

I would personally be happier if the P365 had a manual safety. But that's just me and I'm not all that sophisticated.

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
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I had dinner last night with a friend who sold his glock 43 and bought the sig. He kept talking about the increased capacity.

While I'm sure the Sig is a very nice gun, I must confess I don't understand the logic of swapping a proven gun (shield or glock 43) for a new product....just to gain a couple of rounds.

If someone simply likes having the latest and greatest that's their right, but just say that - not "it's got 10+1".
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If I can place my first three rounds where they need to go, it really doesn't matter how many rounds are left in the mag.
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Sheepgoggit, that was a great read. I agree. I think the magazine design is a game changer, but a striker fired pistol without a manual safety or trigger safety is dangerous. Maybe not dangerous for "experienced" gun handlers, but the 365 is being sold to "New Shooters". This group will have many that lack discipline and handling skills, and will probably result in some cases of injury/death. Hopefully that is never the case, but there are an abundance of New Shooters getting into guns that IMO are just not mature enough to handle firearms. (See for yourself at your local gun range on a Saturday) Again, hopefully I am wrong about this. Hopefully SIG is working on a GEN 2 of the 365, and have an option of a manual safety or a trigger safety.
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Hopefully SIG is working on a GEN 2 of the 365, and have an option of a manual safety or a trigger safety.
The other day, I noticed what appeared to be a crack in the polymer frame of my P365. On closer inspection, there is clearly the outline of what might someday become a notch for a thumb safety.
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I'm sure that a few people here are looking forward to driverless cars. Nothing made by man is foolproof. IMHO a trigger safety, nor manual safety is indicated for the P 365, despite the long tiresome threads slamming Sig.
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Sheepdoggit has laid out much of the same information I have been provided by people familiar with the P320 in both the military and LE settings. It is a deeply flawed pistol; the testing process was also flawed and is being probed, and both SIG and at least some of the Army personnel have forfeited their credibility. I also agree that the Army would have been better served with Gen 5 G19s and M&P 2.0s purchased COTS.

It is not unforeseeable that there will be a criminal investigation and prosecutions. It is amply foreseeable that even without that outcome, there will be officers forced to retire at grades below their current rank because they will be demoted to the last rank at which they successfully served.

There is at least one long discussion of this set of problems with SIG and the Army in the Secondary Weapons forum of Lightfighter. I personally know some of the people posting and involved and what their credentials are.
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That said, until there's more transparency about what actually happened and how we can know for sure the problem has been resolved, I will take a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield everyday—all the livelong day—over any SIG striker fired pistol without a trigger safety.
It would be more enlightening and helpful to others if you could describe why most striker-fired guns have trigger safeties and how they function in comparison to why some SIG striker-fired guns do not have trigger safeties.
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It would be more enlightening and helpful to others if you could describe why most striker-fired guns have trigger safeties and how they function in comparison to why some SIG striker-fired guns do not have trigger safeties.
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An article about "how to make a gun into a Glock" is not even close to a detailed comparative description.
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12 + 1, the magazines are just a hair longer. I like it even better. Curious if Sig will offer 15-rounders?
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As i had said before the 12 rd. mag still does not fit my med/small hand comfortable and if some body makes a +2 mag adapter or Sig will make a 14 rd. mag and all bugs get worked out then i may eventually gat one?

Still seems there are many whose have issues with slides staying open no matter what they try!
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As i had said before the 12 rd. mag still does not fit my med/small hand comfortable and if some body makes a +2 mag adapter or Sig will make a 14 rd. mag and all bugs get worked out then i may eventually gat one?

Still seems there are many whose have issues with slides staying open no matter what they try!
If neither the 12rnd nor the original 10rnd mags don't work for you, an even longer mag won't help.
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Just want something that fits my palm a little lower in rear, in most reviews people say that they prefer the 12 rd. mag for better grip.

As i had listed the specs here earlier, my PF9 has 100% same specs as far as length & height goes even the grip as the 365 and to get a 100% good grip on the PF9 i added a +1 mag/grip extension and the PF 9 now fits me perfect.

On my Shield the 7 rd mag my grip is bad, 8 rd grip is so-so, thus i added a +2 mag ext. to the 7 rd. mag and the Shiels now has a great grip to me.

But we all have different size hands likes/dislikes bu me i just don't like having barely a little finger on ft. grip and hardly anything in my palm!

New vid with slide not locking back, which for me is a "No Buy"!

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I'm a SIG fan, as my Forum name and avatar indicate. I've got three of them, two P320 compacts and a P250 subcompact, and they're all well made, sturdy, and reliable. However, I'd advise anyone considering the purchase of a P365 to hold off for a while. I'm also a member of the SIG Talk Forum, and it appears from the experiences of a number of P365 owners, that there may be a problem with the P365's metal injected molded (MIM) strikers. A couple of aftermarket manufacturers are about to release steel strikers, and the P365-owning SIG Talk regulars can hardly wait to buy them. I suggest that potential buyers head on over to SIG Talk and check out the relevant threads in the SIG Pistol section.
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Just want something that fits my palm a little lower in rear, in most reviews people say that they prefer the 12 rd. mag for better grip.
"palm a little lower in the rear" sounds like the issue I had before and after having the 365.

I built up the rear backstrap on the Shield and the P365. Shield I owned for a long time before doing it, improved my shooting after I did. Did the 365 immediately.



But when you say you added a +2 to the flush 7rnd Shield and it works better for you still sounds like you want a longer grip? After the 365, my Shield with 8rnd mag reminds me of the G19 at least as far as length.

You definitely have to find what works for you though, it sounded in this thread or others that you already got rid of the Shield.

RE: the slide not locking back-- the Shield slide lock is very low profile-- 365, not so much. Here's some food for thought for you (and yes I know many experienced shooters were having the slide lock issue on YouTube)-- my gf's first session with her 365, it did not lock back 50% of the time. Big concern, right? So the next range session, I loaded up mags w/ a single round in HER mags and it locked back everytime with me shooting it.

Not to mention, she also shot with one of MY magazines and it didn't lock back. That magazine I've shot 700 rounds and it locks back everytime.

This is a vid of my 2nd range sesh with it, locked back 14 times, every time.

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In ur picture above 1 can clearly see how angled the p365 grip is angled down up front but nothing in rear where its in the palm and that is where i want more grip for better control.
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In ur picture above 1 can clearly see how angled the p365 grip is angled down up front but nothing in rear where its in the palm and that is where i want more grip for better control.
That's what I wanted more of as well.

Have you held the G43? I like the feel of that also though I don't own one. I do shoot a Glock 19 though.

The grip on the 365 is very small in circumference and very "upright" which I don't like, but I'm still giving it a shot. FTR, I won't be selling my Shield, but ease of carry is why I picked up the 365.
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Never bothered with a G43 since low round count, have used a G27 for EDC since 1997 but did a finger grip ext. from Pearce and later went to a +2 mag extension and is great and comfy.
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Have one of the first P365, born 1/29......2,000+ rounds..no issues. Shoots soft with minimal recovery time allowing very fast follow ups.
When dry firing I noticed that the thumb knuckle, on support hand, in my normal thumbs forward grip rests right on the slide lock....I squeeze hard with left hand which puts it there....
When shooting I pay attention to that and have experienced zero fail to lock back issues.
It's a great shooter, first Sig I have ever touched, 100% confident in it and love the ergos and capacity.
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I will say that I have only held one, but for me, it's uncomfortable and I find it actually too small. Couldn't get a good grip on it and had difficulty drawing from a holster when testing it. I found it similar to my experience with the G43. The capacity is nice, but just doesn't work for me, so I'll stick with my uber reliable Walther PPS M2.
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MagGuts +2 kits on my 8 round mags already give 10 rounds with my shield. All set, I'd rather go for something really cool, like a CZ custom shop Compact shadow
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My LGS will is still waiting for their P365 rental unit, but I did get to play with their 'dummy' model. For me, it didn't feel that great to hold, with either mag.

Maybe it will feel great to shoot. If so, it may be my 1st Sig.
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Some folks look for that ONE perfect EDC, I have several that I like.
But, since this thread is Shield vs P365, I'll stick to that.

I have carried the Shield for a little over a year. I really like it, and it has many great qualities. I tend to lean to the 8 round mag because it fits my hand well. I walk my dog twice a day, and almost always wear gym pants/shorts. I bought a Bodyguard for that, but it's 6 + 1 rounds of .380 power. For, those walks, the P365 is much better suited. I also like to carry a J-Frame revolver at times, but not in gym shorts.

When I retired, I had more time to start into my gun interests. I also had more money because now is the future I have been saving for. I had no reason to limit myself to just one carry gun. Or to "a few" for that matter.

The P365 will not push the Shield aside. Rather, it will supplement it. Nor will it push the Bodyguard aside.

The Shield seems to be very high on the list of carry guns, and for good reason. The Sig P365 appears poised to join it. Both are fine guns.

My Shield is a M01, as I saw no good reason to upgrade to M02. If S&W borrows from the P365 and .380 Shield EZ for a Shield 9 M03, I would upgrade in a New York minute.
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I would like to buy a P365, no one has any. But to me i don't really care that's its a sig..

What i want is smaller, lighter gun that has capacity. I carry a shield but its not that easy to conceal for me.

i also carry a CM9, that is much easier to conceal but really has the minimum amount of rounds i feel i need. The sig answers both those questions. Its a great idea. But i don't look at the mini sig as the same gun as the shield. Shield is bigger and heavier.
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