The Sig 365 is a total game changer. I got very lucky with an online vendor and paid a fair price for one. A shield will get the job done and I think most Shield owners will tell you to stick with the shield but having owned both, the Sig is an upgrade. The size and ergos are perfect for me. The lack of any safety is my preferred method for CCW (Revolver guy here). The P365 is the perfect EDC until someone comes along and dethrones it.

FWIW I have both, and will keep both.

I recently went to a sidecar holster, the P365 is the first to fit one and I'm considering one for the Shield too. In my decision process I weighed them both with a spare mag and they are about dead even (of course the Shield needs the spare mag more than the 365).

The 365 does carry easier overall and I did a Bill Drill last outing and still my Shield did better.

Put a 365 on lay-a-way today. Sometime in the next 60 days, I will be taking it to the range. I do not have a Shield 9mm for comparison, but I do have a Kahr CW9, Taurus PT111 G2 9mm, S&W 3913 to borrow, and a Shield 380 EZ. Should be an intersting day.

I have both. I used to rotate the Shield and 9c depending on what I was wearing. Now with the 365 it’s smaller with a 10 round and a hair longer with the 12 rounds. I retired my shield and 9c to the safe.


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I have the 2nd gen and it’s flawless at about 1000 rounds.


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I wouldn’t and didn’t sell my shield but the 365 is the best shooting small gun I have in my collection.


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Those issues fixed. I have multiple friend who got the 365 and all have been flawless.


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I heard a rumor that the Indiana State Police is considering the Sig P365 as a BUG.

I Traded my Shield in on a P365. I'm 2nd on the waiting list at Scheels. They had a demo example to play with. Hard to pick out anything bad about the little gun. 10 rounds of 9mm in a much more compact design. I already have 2-12 rounders. Sig has addressed a problem with the gun and now back in full production. Its hard to believe they pack 10 rounds in that little magazine. I think Sig just set the BAR for compact carry 9mm. Its not quite as small as my R9 Rohrbaugh but that gun is 6 rounds and kind of a handful. Watch Hickok 45 demonstrate it on youtube or full30. Scheels just called and my 365 is in. Wife has the car so I have to wait until tomorrow to pick it up. the wait will probably kill me. And all of the problems that are talked about were from last year

Sadly the front sight falling off , not locking back have not been fixed and now the worst part is the Firing Pins breaking since we found out they are cast and even Harry from Harrys Holsters who did about 12 vids on his 2 P365 and now after 1K rounds when he went to shoot it no "Bang"!

On Sig Forum they are awaiting on new firing pins being made by another company for $85.-$95. next month and seems many will buy these.

So things are getting worse and as many said they been carrying their P365 pistols only to find out they are/have not worked since last range trip! Just Sad.

Forgot to say the Pins seem to break any time there have been a few cases listed they came broken off from factory, others at 50 rounds some at hundred and some at 1K or such and even if using Snap Caps they have broken.

Have read 2 reports where Gun ranges stopped renting the P365 pistols due to them being not useable after 6-8 hrs of rental.

Here is a Vid of a new one with front sight sliding off!

Wow, that dude jerked the trigger hard enough to make the pistol fire, even with a broken firing pin! He needs more dry firing training.

At one point I had both, the Shield and the P365. I sold the P365 after about 300 rnds. The almost straight up grip just didn't work for me, compared to the Shield's more conventional feeling grip.
The Sig 10 round mag was attractive though. Magguts solved that concern for me, converting a flush 7 OEM mag to 9 rounds +1 in the chamber.

I'm one of the dudes on sigtalk that have a P365 with a broken striker. The P365 does have issues at the moment, however, once they refine the design, it'll be the best cc gun available (at least for me).

If I were you, I'd hold off and browse sig forums once in a while to see when all the teething issues are fixed

Sorry to hear, any idea if they will make a non cast firing pin or just keep replacing these but seems many have been breaking!

LSPI is making a 17-4 firing pin. I intend on picking one up when they come out.

Thanks for bursting my bubble! When I clicked the link, it showed aftermarket firing pins for sale for Glocks...Glock!?!? I thought that they were perfection.

Meh, I get better info here. Too many arrogant, elitist, oversensitive, cry babies over there. If you want to know how I really feel, just ask me!

That describes any of the many gun forums on the interwebz...

Seems many plan on the same! Just sad U have to spent another $90.+ on a part since the gun is not cheap!

Why it's a gamechanger

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I just preordered one for $99 shipped lol.
Expensive, but worth it to me. I guess it kind of evens out as I don't have to spend additional money upgrading the trigger and sights like I would for most pistols in its class.

Stell Striker For SIG P365 Pistols

Sig has identified the prob with the MIM Pins were made in India and are fixing the issue! How or when the "New" P365's with better Firing Pins will come out is the Question!

Sig also sais that only "14" firing pins out of 40K guns sold did break, but if anybody believes that the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale!

Also need to know how to tell which guns have the "Fixed" firing pins!

How is the recoil on this gun? I can shoot 100 rounds of ammo through a Shield and it is still enjoyable. I had a smaller and lighter Kel tek 9m/m and it kicked like a mule. Just because something is smaller doesn't make it better if its no fun to shoot.

Not significantly different than the Shield to me.
I shot it side by side with my G43 and I prefer the P365 (not sure if the G43 feels like it recoils harsher due to trigger bite/pinch).
My first and only range session with it was 250 rounds. No discomfort at all.

If I had to rank them in terms of perceived recoil, it'd be P365 = Shield > G43. Perceived recoil is quite a subjective thing so try before you buy.

My experience exactly....have over 2,500 rounds through the P365 and frankly, my perception is it shoots softer than a G19 and you can mag dump FAST.

Yep, It's almost the same size as my Kahr CM-9 with more ammo capacity. One thing for sure, I wouldn't want a pistol any smaller in size. I shoot the CM-9 well and I have medium size hands, but anything smaller, I think would be a challenge. I'm still in the wait and see mode. IMHO the internet does seem to blow things out of proportion. When there is any problem with any one pistol, it gets thousands of views, but the other thousands of owners who are happy with a pistol aren't considered. No doubt that there have been problems with some individual P 365 pistols, but it seems to me that Sig is addressing those issues as they arise. I'm old enough to remember a torture test by "Shooting Times" magazine of a . 45 ACP Colt Commander pistol, back in the early 70's. After Skeeter Skelton shot 5,000 rounds cracks developed in the aluminum frame, IIRC.

This is what grabbed my attention.

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That quote about 14 out 40,000 firing pins having broke came from SIG's president. At the NRA convention, SIG's representative said 17,000 365s had been delivered, a "slight" discrepancy in the data.

A running poll on the SIG Talk Forum currently shows that 10 out of 68 365s owned by SIG Talk members have had a firing pin break, a failure rate of nearly 15%. Plus three other SIG Talk members have reported failures in other threads, but have not responded to the poll. Gee, 13 out of the 14 broken firing pins reported to SIG have belonged to SIG Talk members. Those guys sure have bad luck. The lesson is that if you want to avoid having firing pin problems with your 365, don't become a member of SIG Talk! Anyway, here is a link to the SIG Talk poll:

S/T membership P365 roll-call / Striker Failure - SIG Talk

I'd say akdude's skepticism about SIG's claim of "14 out of 40,000" is well warranted.

Finally, SIG is sourcing MIM parts out of India? Seriously?? So much for Swiss/German/American high quality precision firearm engineering! I love my three SIGs, but if they continue down this road, I'll have to change my Forum name to "sw".

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I read from a person who spoke at the NRA show to Phil Pres. of Sig about the firing pin issue and Phil told him only 14 out of 40K sold have had the firing pin issue also wonder what parts are now made where!?

I do not have any interest in a 365. I have the Shield 9mm and 45acp firearms already and love them both. I also have the XD Mod 2 subcompacts in FDE in both 9mm and 45acp.

Including my 642 jframe, I think I am well fixed for EDC weapons for the next century.

Joe

I'm probably swimming in the wrong pool here, but when I don't want to/can't carry my Browning High Power (due to going out dressed nothing other than a G string or whatever), I have fallen in love with the Kimber Micro 9 Crimson Trace. That gun is like cheating, especially when you're 60's and fighting your eyesight getting old as well.

I heard all the warnings and dire predictions about Kimbers, but they have an operation here and let me shoot the snot out of the Micro 9 where we were both supporting some local veteran's aid fundraisers. Abandoned the Shield to my wife, who gobbled it up like a fat kid on a chocolate bar. Poured a lot of rounds through the Micro 9 since then, and have yet to find a reason to change my mind.

Have never lost a strong preference for a safety and an exposed hammer, and 35+ years in the biz of carrying guns for a living hasn't moved me any. Probably all kinds of good reasons for why my choices are not the best, but the targets on training outings and group sessions say I'm not suffering too badly from second best. I'm dubious of whether the Sig would carry or feel better in the hand than the Micro 9 (aside from mag capacity), as the Micro did compared to the Shield.

Perhaps, but I'm not motivated enough to try due to being comfortable with what I have, and I don't lose sleep over the capacity difference when I started out carrying a S&W Model 10 carrying six rounds back in the 1970's...

So I asked the Residential Sergeant Major about trying the Sig to compare to her Shield, and she said "meh". Handguns are only tools to her; unlike shotguns where her tastes run to over and unders sporting exotic Circassian walnut marblecake stocks. That's pragmatic... she knows her Shield, shoots it well, and (something that is often overlooked), trusts it.

A friend in Kalispell with a small firearms accessory business, mostly for Glocks, has produced an extended slide kit for the Shield that turns it into a pistol with a 4.25" barrel. Now THAT my wife wants to go give a try. They had it at the SHOT show, but the snow just left here in Montana so maybe I'll borrow his sample sometime in the next week and head out to the range.

A "long slide" option for a Shield, perhaps with the addition of a Magguts kit in the mag... curious to see if is simply another way that ends up being the same size as a flavour of M&P, or if it does in fact offer the choice of something that is significantly different. A bit spendy, considering what the entire Shield cost during the rebate period. But... haven't tried it yet...

Shield Arms - Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Long Slide by Shield Arms

recently. Was looking to simplify my life and sold a number of personal guns, including several Sigs. My personal 239 9 Sig was well sized for the top of dash compartment of my Toyota FJ: but was one of guns sold, so looking for replacement. My Glock 27 would have been a good replacement, except lid wouldn't close due to grip thickness. Obviously heard about 365: but never saw one "live". Temporarily, I carried my old 3914: but has terrible trigger and night sights would need to be replaced and no rail.

I got to see a 365 at LGS and had a great trigger; although take-up was a little long, felt good in my hand and not too disimilar than my older PM9 that had/has a great trigger, until they started using ****** CM trigger on PM and no longer worth the price! Grip felt better in my big hands due to double stack on 365. I previously had looked at a Shield Performance Center
and liked it a lot and had a good trigger, due to being Performance Center? Did not have a rail and did not come with night sights as I thought a Performance Center should? One thing it had that I really didn't ike was the "porting" for the usual reasons.. Wil say it felt better in my hand than did 365: but it was larger than 365 and didn't have mag capacity.

I NEGLECTED TO DO A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THING WITH 365, I DID NOT TRY TO MANIPULATE MAG RELEASE WITH THUMB OF SHOOTING HAND....YOU CAN'T! My thumbs are plenty long enough; but mag release is cut in an an angle toward back of trigger guard and can;t get enough "purchase" to release the mag! I could release it fine using index/trigger finger of weak hand. I've been shooting centerfire pistols for years, BHP, 1911, Sig, Glock,etc an never had an issue releasing mag with thumb of shooting hand. IMHO it is a bad design and Guns.com did a review pointing this out; but I read it the day after I purchased a 365. The slide relase is very stiff; but may will work better after some rounds through it?

Ammunition selection and loading of mags is yet another issue.
My favorite 9 carry round is Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr HP.
I could get more than 5-6 rounds in either of 10 rd mags or even optional 12 rd mag. Let partially loaded mags sit overnight; but still no more rounds could be loaded. Thought I'd try Speer Gold Dots 115 gr and all loaded to capacity?? There is nothing in 365 manual regarding bullet weight, only usual cautions about reloaded, dirty, etc? To get maximum velocity, energy from a short barreled gun, maybe a lighter 115 gr is necessary; but IMHO, a faster burning powder with low flash are the really important considerations? Sig is touting a new 115 gr round for 365; but say nothing about fast burning powder or low flash; but may be part of spec? For your Shields, my 365; or my Ruger LCR 9mm, does anyone know of premium HP, fast burning powder with low flash, specifically recommended for short barrel guns?

SOLUTION FOR POORLY DESIGNED, ANGLED MAG BUTTON MIGHT BE AN EXTENDED MAG RELEASE WITH THE EDGE CLOSEST TO BACK OF TRIGGER GUARD BUILT UP THE MOST AND EXTENDED SLIDE RELEASE, AS WELL?

Probably would not have purchased 365 if I knew of these issues before; but wouldn't have purchased PC Shield either due to lack of rail, no night sights, low mag capacity and worst of all for a carry gun, THE PORTING!

Just my 2C; but very interested in your input regarding ammo issues mentioned above?

I have had the P365 for a couple of weeks now and have around 200 rounds through it. I had a Shield 9mm but sold it; it was too hard for me to retract the Shield's slide, due to arthritis. The slide on the P365 is much easier to retract. The recoil on the P365 is a little harsher than that of the Shield, but not objectionably so.

Ah... the ol' "what's the best oil for your motorcycle" question... second best way to start a fight! Ammo questions!

Wife uses the 115 Barnes Tac-XP in the Shield, she likes it, I can't really see a difference in the flash on the range at night. I guinea pig test on her by not telling her what I'm loading in the mags, so she doesn't get to match impressions to names. She likes shooting the Barnes better than shooting the Federal, and she shoots better with the Barnes than with the Federal, so after full desclosure she didn't see any difference and stuck with the Barnes.

I use the same thing in the Micro 9 as I use in my BHP, Federal standard pressure 147 gr HST. Keeps things simple, I can't feel a whole lot of difference while shooting versus the Barnes stuff, and has piled up a really good reputation for performance in police use. (as has the Barnes loads)

The terminal ballistics forensic pathologist guys give them both a thumbs up of approval, so that works for me. There's possibly a round markedly better out there somewhere, but if so these are choices where second best is pretty reliable as well.

Sooner or later there will be further improvements in service ammunition and it will be worth me reviewing what's out there, but at this point I'm good.

Went from a wheel gun to 9M Shield and don't intend on replacing it. It's been one of the top performing pistols I've had for conceal carry. Don't need another safe dweller.

Personal preference. IMO the 365 is another me too gun trying to catch up. For a ccw I never carry more than 7+1 in the Shield and I consider anything over 5 rds as excessive. And, the most important item is 100% certainty that my ccw will perform when called upon.

Great vid and sadly P365 has still peening issues on barrel & slide, so seems Sig has to still fix this issue!

But the ammo question didn't get answered. Second choice is Speer Gold Dot "Short Barrel", IMO.

In answer to the OP's original question, no. Since one of my daughters decided she really needed my J-frame I just recently picked up a Shield. Guess I should shoot it for a while since it seems to be considered highly dependable.

Ammo, Speer Gold Dot 124Gr +P

I’m an M&P guy all the way. But, I love variety in the CC world too.

Obviously, you can find a negative or problem on just about any gun out there.

Figured I’d post this video since its pretty recent.

Sig P365 Gen 2 2000 Round Test: Complete Failure - YouTube

Thank's but i had posted that last week, the Title is misleading since it broke after 1K of a 2K test!

A few more vids lately show the gun is still peening bad on slide & barrel lug which was thought to have been fixed but seems not.

Some say this is causing slide to not lock back sometimes on empty mag!

i think its called consumer beta testing

Sig has defiantly dropped the ball on the polymer guns. The P series are solid, though.

Your thread has been moved to "Other Brands" as it's basically become a Sig 365 thread instead of a S&W thread. You can find it here:

Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?

Regards,
Tom S.

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Glock 43, Ruger LC9s, Walther PPS, Beretta Nano, Kimber Solo, now the Sig 365. Another in a long line of single stack 9's released to surpass the Shield. No slam on any of those makes, but IMHO, doubtful. Especially since Shields are on sale pretty much everywhere these days.

Listening to that guy yammer on was painful. Being a holster maker doesn't make him an oracle on anything.

Harry has done more Vids on the P365 than anybody and has had many issues with his P365's!

I thought his review was honest and quite good and hopefully by yrs. end the issues will be fixed!