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Old 04-02-2018, 08:26 AM
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I still own a Model 51 (most gorgeous pistol ever made), my Dad's Model 870 and my Model 1100 skeet gun. Oh, and my FIRST gun was a little used (from the 1950s) Model 515? that my grand-dad gave me when I turned 12 that I still have.
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Old 04-02-2018, 04:57 PM
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Oh, and my FIRST gun was a little used (from the 1950s) Model 515? that my grand-dad gave me when I turned 12 that I still have.
Those 500 series 22's were fantastic shooters, for the money they couldn't be beat!

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Old 04-02-2018, 11:28 PM
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Got bitten by the rem model 12 bug a yr or so ago. Now have a 12c Octagon bbl from the mid teens. Great bore (which is unusual), some freckling (that's rust on your guns, freckling on mine), and now carries a tang peep sight. Great fun to shoot. I did find out that you should not shoot hi velocity rounds in the model 12"s. Bolt have been known to break. That was the reason the 121's were designed.


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Old 04-03-2018, 07:29 PM
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Great Model 12. The pistol grip oct bbl versions are beautiful little rifles.

I usually tell people to shoot SdVel ammo out of any 22 made before WW2 unless they specificly state 'for HV' on them.
But most of these rifles and other gobble up HV at a steady rate.
They do however shear off the locking lug on the breechblock at times and that is an expensive part to replace.

The 121 engineering change increased the width of the locking lug to fully accross the width of the breech block instead of the Model 12's partial width.
They didn't do anything about the unsupported cartridge case in front of the carrier slots in the breech face. That stayed the same as in the Model 12.
Stevens/Savage went to great lengths on their pumps to redesign their High Speed bolts for the Model 29 and the design of the later Model 29A &29B to elliminate any carrier slot in the breech face immedietaly behind the fired casing.
Their locking lug design on the 29 was much like the Remington M12 breech bolt. The 29A & B went to rear of the bolt lock up like aWin Model 12 bolt.
I have a Model29. It does have a 'High Speed' bolt in it. But it sees nothing but StVel ammo and will as long as I have it.
My 29B can shoot HV with no problem.

When a M12 bolt cracks and lets go, they usually crack the entire top front edge off the breech bolt including part of the breech face. Bolts are much harder than the frame mat'l which usually shows no damage.

The other part that can be easily damaged but by owner or unknowing gunsmithing work is the sear notch in the hammer.
The stock screw can be too long for the depth of the hole cut in the wood,,meaning the threaded end threads in too far to tighten up the stock.
This can come about from loosing a couple of extra stacked washers that may be down inside the hole that are making up that extra depth. Or someone cleans out that stock bolt hole for some reason and deepens it.
Then the bolt goes in further and if the stock is tighten down the stock bolt will protrude into the inside of the trigger/hammer group.
If the hammer is cocked when the tightening is done, the hammer will be squarely pushed forward by the bolt till it snaps the sear notch right off the hammer. Hammers aren't cheap either.
If it's done with the hammer down,,all that will occur is that you can't cycle the action,,the hammer won't go back far enough to cock so you know something is wrong and can be corrected.

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Old 04-04-2018, 12:32 AM
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Thanks for the detailed info on the model 12. All your posts are appreciated.

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Old 04-06-2018, 09:40 PM
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Remingtons have passed through my hands in numbers I forget over the years: several 870s, all 12 gauge, 700 BDLs in .222 and .22/250 when prairie dogs were a weekend diversion and a Model 11 project gun that broke me of cursing inanimate objects. They all worked as advertised, but I never got attached to any of them. Possibly because a worn folding stock 870 was my midnight companion, I viewed them as tools. Each night I checked the oil in the engine, the air in the tires and the buckshot in the Remington. In time they each reached the status of trading stock and disappeared. I doubt if I had $200 in the most expensive of them.

My bride, on the other hand, owns exactly one shotgun, a LightWeight 20 gauge 870 which I gave her about a year before the wedding. She thinks it's beautiful. For about 10 years it was the only Remington in the safe.

Within the past 3 years it has been joined by 2 RM380s (his and hers) a 16 gauge Model 11 Sportsman (the poor man's Sweet 16) and (gasp) an R51.

After initial disappointment over faulty magazines and a longer than expected break in period I had an enjoyable day at the range with the R51 today. Big Green replaced 3 of my 4 magazines free of charge. For a $178 (after rebate) 9mm, I'm growing fond of it. It fits the same Walther PPK holsters I used with a Bersa Thunder .380 and packs way more punch. It dutifully plunks SIG V-Crown 124 gr HPs in the 10 ring with monotonous regularity at 10 yards. As the most vilified new handgun of the past 20 years, nobody will want it in trade, so it will probably stay with me.

The Sportsman shoots so well I may sell off my doubles and Ithaca 37.

The RM380s just work. I gave both of them my normal 200 round shakedown before we started carrying them. Neither needed it.

Remington has fallen on hard times before, having been bailed out by Union Metallic Cartridge and Winchester in 1888 and by DuPont during the Depression. I expect it to survive, which I can't say of the R51.
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:11 PM
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Remington - ?? Wow, where to start. There is this custom belt buckle from '81 that is still worn today that says Remington. Guns around?? well there are the 22 RFs, a 513 T that is super accurate, a 513 S because they did not make many. A 40X that has won a few BR 50 shoots against the best custom guns in the world. The 552 that was purchased in 1969 that has killed several truck loads of small game. Then the pistol, there is the xp100 in 7BR that is a super tack driver. Then to the rifles, o ****, the re barreled 22-250 that has killed 100's upon hundred of crows, woodchucks, rabbits, etc since being around from 1971 as the first varmint gun. Then there is the 742 in 3006 from 1968 that was under the Christmas tree that has taken 50-60 whitetails. Then there is the 280AI 700 that killed the deer at 650 yards a few years ago and a 40x bench rest rifle in unlimited that has a few trophies on the wall from the bench rest game a few years ago. And to top it off, I knew "Mr. Remington" in person, Mike Walker. Dad of the 222, 6 mm Remington the BR case, the 700 action, back when Remington was at the top of the heap in the gun industry. yep, tears for what the "bean counters" have done to one of the greatest gun manufacturing companies to ever exist in the US of A. A sad day is upon us, but the legend lives on. O I forgot all those 870's around some that have taken many Turkey in the mountains of the south and broken so many clay birds on the ranges. There are 4 sitting around keeping all the others company. I guess the price of these items will just go upwards as this great company disappears into the history books. A sad day indeed
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Monday April 16th I'll be in the woods with my 870 turkey gun. Yes, it has taken a big Tom before.
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I have always been a Remington fan, and at one time or other over the last 60 years have owned an example or two of about every gun Remington made during the 20th century. At present I have two Model 51s (.32 and .380), two M81s (.300 Savage), two M8s (.30 Rem), a Model 12 .22 pump gun, a M700 ADL (.30-'06), a model 740 (.308), a Model 7400 (.270), and most recently a Model 550-1. The latter is probably the finest .22 semiauto ever made by anyone anywhere. I bought it to replace another 550-1 I stupidly sold over 25 years ago.

Personal opinion is that Remington is down for the count and will not survive, at least not in a form we will recognize. I hope I am wrong in that assumption.

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I have two Remingtons, purchased both in the last 10 years.
1: a Remington 870 in 20 ga. Wood. Love this squirrel getting scattergun.

2: a Marlin 60, bought 2 years ago. Also a great little squirrel getter.

I think Remington will bounce back just fine. Either way, I'll continue to put bushytails in the crockpot with my two.
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I have bought about 6 Marlins and Remingtons over the past 10 years. Only one was used and it was made during the same time period. I had problems with only one of them, a Marlin 981 that liked to break firing pins. But with a 5 year warranty that really wasn't a problem. I did have some issues over a trigger guard on a Marlin 60 come to think of it. It was a 60SS actually which had a light gray trigger guard. Apparently the company that made them used inferior plastic. Marlin had to replace a lot of them so it took a while but they finally got it right.
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870 TC Trap powdermill here. 1989 vintage, 3 trap rem choke tubes made just for the gun. Original furniture with the long fore end. By far not a pro just an amature untrained shell shucker, but the TC is a barrel of fun to shoot. Also earns its keep on varmint control
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Turkey getter 870 Rem turkey version, A few hours ago.
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I've been trying my best to help Remington out. I think their designs are sound, at least their pistols anyway, but they really need to pull out the ISO9001 handbook and brush up a bit on quality management. The R51 Gen2 should have been the best 9mm pistol available anywhere after the first go-around but they still have more issues with the mags and a few other areas.

The RM380 is an absolute gem. Thankfully all they did to the Rohrbaugh design was to add a slide lock and move the mag release to a conventional position.

As for their R1 line of 1911s, I think I want one of each model and caliber. My R1 enhanced 9mm has me grinning from ear to ear with the way it performs every time I take it to the range. I'll admit I had to tune the extractor along with replacing the firing pin stop to tame down the erratic ejection but now it spits casings out into a pile no larger than 3 feet in diameter and 3 feet away. Had one grip start to de-lam in one spot so they're sending me a new set. Other than that it's superb for a production 1911 at it's price point. Also, even though it's a series 80, the trigger is fantastic with very minimal take-up/creep and a 3-3/4# crisp break.

Can't speak for their RP9 or RP45. Those are the only pistols of theirs I can't bring myself to want as they're BRICKS.
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