My buddy and I found this thing in a box while cleaning out a house his parents bought. Can anyone help identify it? The only number we can find is only the butt of it. The cylinder pops out and that's all I can really figure out myself.

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That's a reproduction of a Remington 1858; although with a brass frame which the original did not have. The originals had an iron frame. It's a Cap and Ball pistol.
Original Remington's were some of the best circa the U.S. Civil War


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...an 1858 Remington revolver...probably a replica...very interesting if it is original...

...edit...Chromedhearts beat me to the draw there...

...I think the Confederacy may have built some copies during the Civil War with brass or bronze frames...although yours is probably a modern replica...

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It is not old at all. I believe these replica guns are still available, probably Italian made, likely by Pietta. I can't tell, but it is likely to be .36 caliber, uses .375" round lead balls and black powder or BP substitutes. No particular value on the used market, maybe $100 or less. Fun to shoot. I have one much like it, but it has a steel frame and a little higher quality.

Old being relative, it could be over fifty years old. It's not a hundred and fifty years old though


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Depending on your location; the same laws apply as would a modern pistol, so don't get in trouble. If it's in good condition, it would be very educational to get the accoutrements and shoot it.


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It is a black powder cap and ball revolver, as stated a Remington model. Probably Italian made, it was imported by a number of companies from the 1960s to the present. Value, I'd say about $100.

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Nothing is readable in your photos, but all Italian and Spanish replica revolvers have the necessary info on the barrel. Check all surfaces, including under the barrel (fold out the loading lever). Caliber as well as manufacturer should be indicated.

I have a steel framed version that was made in 1959. It'll be 60 years old next year. Kind of amazing for a repop.

Where does yours have markings? Does it indicate country of origin? I seem to remember reading about some kits from Belgium coming in as early as the mid-1950s.

Welcome to the Forum.

As stated above, that is a brass framed copy of the Remington 1863. The actual revolvers from the 1860s had a steel frame. Federal law does not consider this to be a firearm. However, local and state laws may be different, according to where you live.

There were a few brass or bronze framed revolvers built by the Confederacy during the War of Northern Aggression, but those were copies of Colts, not Remingtons.

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I understand that some re-enactors knock off the markings to make them a little more like the originals.

Even on the Kommunist Koasts the BATFE does NOT regulate cap and ball anythings. States, localities might, most don't. Be safe. Look it over, have someone else look it over if you are not familiar with firearms. Real black powder is a hoot. Big clouds of sulphur smoke. Have fun.

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And that is A-OK with BATFE because LEGALLY they are not regulated firearms.

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Well, not quite.

If you leave your reading glasses off and don’t pay too close attention to proportions, the Confederate Spiller & Burr sure looked a lot more similar to the Remington than a Colt

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The only time you are going to have any problem with the BATF is with one of the calibers that have the ability to convert to center fire. At least some dealers are very skeptical about releasing any of the .44/45 caliber blackpowder cap and ball revolvers that have the conversion kits available. I'm not positive but along with the new ruling regarding the "handicap" pistol grips on AR's and AK type firearms there was a recent ruling regarding those cap and ball revolvers with that capacity. I recently picked up a Ruger Old Army and was later called back by the dealer to fill out the same paperwork as any center fire handgun, he claimed he was in error and offered to buy me coffee for the inconvenience. As of this date I do not think they make conversions for 36 caliber so you should be OK if that's what you got. I've been all over the map when it comes to blackpowder shooting equipment and don't have much interest in the brass framed "confederate" models, they made a bunch...Spiller and Burr among them, Eli Whitney copied Colts, Griswold and Gunnison copied Colts also...I had one of them in .36 and shot it loose after 200rnds or so. You will have a harder time shooting a Remington clone loose due to its stouter framework. Probably have a good time with 15grs of 3F.

^^^According to BATFEs website 10 minutes ago, if you 'swap' a cartridge cylinder in and out without modification to the 'gun' (the frame), it is not a conversion, and not regulated. If you modify the frame to accept the cylinder (cut a gate ect.) you have just 'manufactured' a firearm and must follow all relevant regulations.^^^^

BTW, black powder and smokeless have very different pressure phase signatures, so shooting smokeless cartridges in a made for black powder gun requires some thought and appriciation of that difference.

This is what the BATFE says, states or subdivisons therof, or municipalities may regulate cap and ball weapons, stores may play CYA and ask that you fill out a 4473, but its not a FEDERALLY REGULATED FIREARM.

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In the vast majority of jurisdictions within the USA, black powder C&B revolver replicas are unregulated at any level.

Hahahhhaaahahaaaa!!!! "The War of Northern Aggression" that the South started! Better check that history book again!

This one is mine. My sister obtained it somehow in Ca. I told her if she ever wanted to part with it -- I have first dibs. We shipped it to my home the next day.

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In NY, no problem with just owning them. However, If you want to shoot it,it has to go on your PL.

Oh, I guess you forgot about John Brown going into Harpers Ferry, Virginia. You do know that his raiders killed a free black man.

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But. The Spiller & Burr is not a copy of the Remington either. It's a copy of the Whitney.

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Granted. But by way of Fordyce Beals‘ involvement with both Whitney and Remington, one could still claim a closer affinity of the Spiller & Burr to Remington than to Colt

On that I have to absolutely agree.

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Actually there are several conversions for .36 caliber. Most of the time they are chambered in 38 Colt. They have been made for quite a few years now, just like the 44 Special and 45 Colt ones. I saw where one company has even offered a 45 ACP cylinder for a 1858 Remington. In fact there are a few conversions for .31 caliber black powder revolvers. They haven’t been around as long (6-7 years) as the .36 and .44 caliber ones. I have one for my replica of a 1863 Pocket Remington that shoots 32 S&W. They make them for the 1849 Colt Pocket revolvers, too.

IIRC, Ole JB was tried, convicted and hung for his crime. Corrido not withstanding.

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