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Old 05-05-2018, 10:10 AM
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Does anyone have this relatively new gun -and if so, what do you think of it?

Also, can you compare it to the M&P Shield2.0?
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Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?
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I've posted pictures before when I first got this. I like this very much. As you can see by the comparison photo with a Gemini Custom Model S&W M&P 340 they are basically the same size and very easy to conceal using a front pocket holster. For the price (which was less then the Model 340) it gives me at least two great carry options, and is a very accurate weapon. I was very lucky to get the first one my dealer was able to get, without paying a premium price for it. I think you will be very happy if you do purchase one.
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Does anyone have this relatively new gun -and if so, what do you think of it?

Also, can you compare it to the M&P Shield2.0?
I'm quite satisfied with mine. 200 rounds so far and no hiccups. Just got a kydex holster and this should be a great combo for hot weather carry. I have no intention of selling my Shield 2.0.

Here's a comparison with a 442.
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I was very intrigued with it when it came out. I read about lots of problems and am still seeing quite a few, but I figured they would eventually get them straightened out, but who knows, maybe they'll always be hit and miss. Not unheard of with small guns. When I finally handled one, the grip is very small in diameter and just didn't fit my hand well. It just didn't feel stable or well supported. Plus, the trigger is extremely short and light with no options to alter it like Glock offers. I see absolutely no reason for such a trigger on any concealed carry weapon, let alone one that you might carry in a pocket. It's a no-go for me.
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Does anyone have this relatively new gun -and if so, what do you think of it?

Also, can you compare it to the M&P Shield2.0?
I picked up my 365 about 3 1/2 weeks ago. So far I have put about 2000 rounds of various makes and grains through it. Remington UMC Green/White box 115 gr, Remington Brown box Military/Police practice 115 gr, Freedom Munitions 115 gr and Hornady American Gunner 115 gr8 & +P 124 gr. ZERO hic-ups. One fail to lock back the slide on last shot, caused by me. Adjusted my grip... No more fail to lock back on last round. Waiting for a holster and will be parking my Performance Center Shield 45 in the safe. P365 will be my EDC. LOVE my first Sig. Also waiting on two 12 round magazines.

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While I have not shot one, I did handle one recently and was very surprised with how compact the gun was for a being a ten round pistol. I was expecting the P365 to be similar to Glock 26, but the P365 felt more like subcompact pocket pistol.
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Carried mine for the first time the other day. This is a great hot weather carry option. I too have some 12 round magazines on order.
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I was very intrigued with it when it came out. I read about lots of problems and am still seeing quite a few, but I figured they would eventually get them straightened out, but who knows, maybe they'll always be hit and miss. Not unheard of with small guns. When I finally handled one, the grip is very small in diameter and just didn't fit my hand well. It just didn't feel stable or well supported. Plus, the trigger is extremely short and light with no options to alter it like Glock offers. I see absolutely no reason for such a trigger on any concealed carry weapon, let alone one that you might carry in a pocket. It's a no-go for me.
I am also very interested in this gun. I am also concerned about the trigger. How would you feel about it if it had a manual safety.
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I just picked up my P365 this weekend. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but it's a really nice gun. For many years now, my summer carry gun has been a Kahr PM9, which I really like. The PM9 has always been the best size-for-caliber option available. Many have tried to challenge this standing (Glock 43, S&W Shield, Springfield, etc.) but have not been able to get a 9mm gun sized as small as the Kahr PM9. My PM9 has always been reliable, smooth shooting and has a great trigger and good sights.

Well, this new Sig is a true contender. Side by side they are just about the same size/width, with the 365 having just a (very) slightly longer slide... BTW, I have a 9mm Shield and it is definitely larger than the P365/PM9...

The sights on the P365 are awesome. They are night sights, with the front sight also being larger with a green fiber optic surrounding the tritium vile. To me, this presents very well for daytime, as well as nighttime shooting.

The trigger on the P365 is very nice, with a smooth, fairly light break (much nicer than any of my Glocks). It does have a bit of pre-travel, so the shot will not be a surprise. I honestly don't understand the need for a manual safety on a carry gun. This is not a "hair trigger," it's just a nice striker-fire trigger. Keep your finger away from the trigger until you are prepared to shoot and you'll be just fine... I would never put a striker fired gun in my pocket without a holster! The trigger on the Kahr is a longer pull compared to the Sig. I like both, it's just adjusting to the nuances of each trigger.

The main driver in me buying the P365 was that it has a 10 round mag, compared to the Kahr's 6 round mag. Now, I've not lately had the need for 10 rounds to save my life, nor 6 rounds either. And, I don't necessarily expect that to change going forward. But, it's always nice to know the extra rounds are there... To me, the Sig offers the same awesome size gun as the Kahr, with more rounds, a great trigger and sights; what's not to love...

I'll put it through its paces for reliability, and if it's good, I'll make the change to carry it. I know they had an initial misstep with the early release guns, but Sig pulled back distribution and fixed the problem. Hopefully, they've got the bugs worked out with these guns... I'll try to chime back in after a trip to the range.

I've not been a big fan of Sig in recent years, but if these guns prove to be reliable, they've got a winner with the P365.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:30 PM
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DeGuns had 5 P365's for $599 - if interested, go to deguns.net
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LOL no. I will keep waiting for my Brownell's pre order at $450.
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Just got one and a 12 round mag Monday. Have 175 rounds thru it without a hitch. Fits in my LC9s holster and points better than any gun I've ever owned. I love it and will carry it often. My LGS had only one they got the night before but had a case of 12 round mags.
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I am also very interested in this gun. I am also concerned about the trigger. How would you feel about it if it had a manual safety.
I see the faint outline, on the frame, that will likely be cut out for a future thumb safety version.
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Owned mine since mid March and never had so much fun. Lightweight, small, huge capacity, night sights, and easy to shoot. After 750 trouble free rounds, this is my EDC. My Shield along with a number of unused small revolvers have been sold. I am doing a first for me, that is buying a second gun of the same model and thinning the herd of metal that takes up space in my safe.


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I have 150 rds thru mine with no problems. I very much like it and even better, my holsters for my Kahr PM9 fit like a champ. All my very best, Joe.
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LOL no. I will keep waiting for my Brownell's pre order at $450.
Yeah me too....been waiting for sometime now, but did already purchase a couple of high capacity magazines in preparation of finally getting one
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Do you remember the date of your order? I'm thinkin' mine was around 1/31.
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I like Sig firearms a lot, and I've no doubt the P365 will be a best seller for Sig. I'm especially disappointed when I see quality control issues like this one because I expect a lot from a "Sig" product. I've no doubt it was indeed a "bad batch" and something like this can happen to anything that's mass produced. Disappointing yes, but I'm sure Sig will solve the issue.

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I am also very interested in this gun. I am also concerned about the trigger. How would you feel about it if it had a manual safety.
It still wouldn't make any difference to me since a manual safety doesn't help prevent many of the types of unintentional discharges I'm concerned with plus I see a manual safety being a liability and potential failure point in getting the gun into action quickly. I and numerous defensive shooting instructors have witnessed even well trained individuals failing to get manual safeties disengaged during Force-on-Force scenarios. It just poses too great of a potential problem for reactive close-quarter civilian defense situations IMO. The majority of the time I carry an enclosed hammer snub revolver and would prefer an auto to be as reliable, simple to operate and safe as the revolver or as close as I can get with one.
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I've posted pictures before when I first got this. I like this very much. As you can see by the comparison photo with a Gemini Custom Model S&W M&P 340 they are basically the same size and very easy to conceal using a front pocket holster. For the price (which was less then the Model 340) it gives me at least two great carry options, and is a very accurate weapon. I was very lucky to get the first one my dealer was able to get, without paying a premium price for it. I think you will be very happy if you do purchase one.
They may be similar in size, but they are very different in weight with the Sig being virtually double the weight of the Smith. Big difference in trigger pull weight(and length) as well. I have no real concerns about carrying a DAO J-frame in a pocket, but I'll pass on carrying a striker-fired gun with such a short light trigger in one. The S&W will come out of the pocket quicker and be much safer when doing so.
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did not realize the problems Sig had with this gun early on....are you guys convinced Sig has fixed everything? Very important...thanks
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meh, does nothing that my Glock 26 or shield 9 does not already do. I'd wait a few years before buying one. still some bugs to work out I think
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meh, does nothing that my Glock 26 or shield 9 does not already do. I'd wait a few years before buying one. still some bugs to work out I think
Exactly. Until I stop hearing about low-round-count issues on nearly new ones, I'll stick with my LC9.

7+1 that is dead-nuts reliable beats 10+1 so-so reliable for me - at least for now.
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did not realize the problems Sig had with this gun early on....are you guys convinced Sig has fixed everything? Very important...thanks
I'm not, and as you can tell by my Forum name and avatar, I'm a SIG fan. Before you buy, head over to the SIG Talk Forum and read through the many posts about the P365. There are persistent reports of problems with broken strikers and detached trigger springs. There are a few reports of barrel peening and failing extractors as well. SIG will remedy all of these problems, just as S&W did with the Shield's early production glitches, but for now, I'd pass on an immediate purchase.

Here is a link to the SIG Talk subforum that has the P365 threads: P250, P320, P365 & P320 X-5 Pistols - SIG Talk
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I just fired mine for the first time today. I fired around fifty rounds with the gun performing well and surprisingly accurate at 15 feet. Most of the shots falling within a 3 inch circle. The few flyers were my fault during rapid fire exercise, but still effective. The new twelve round magazine came apart at the bottom but on closer examination it was not assembled correctly and seems fine after I reattached it. The reset is quick and I double tapped a couple of times when rapid firing. I need to use a little more control. Compared to the Beretta Nano it is a much smoother pistol. If it holds up long term it is a winner.
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I do not like the 365,would not carry it or trust it. Prefer the Sw wheel gun.
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Both my wife and I recently purchased the Sig P-365. So far I have shot 150 rounds of various ammunition with no issues. My wife has almost 500 rounds through hers, again with no issues. Both are surprisingly very accurate and the recoil seems much less that our previous Shields. Mine fits my LC-9 holster so that solved the new holster issue. After another 200 rounds or so it will replace my LC-9 as my summer EDC. My winter gun will still be my M&P 45c, but I could carry the 365 is a BUG in my pocket. It's basically the same size as my 642 J-frame, but with double the round count. Trigger pull on my 365 is 5.5-6 pounds; trigger pull on my 642 is 10 pounds. The Sig is 100 times faster to reload.

Yes, I have read all of the "problems" listed in some of the forums, so I will pay attention to the issues mentioned, but so far both of ours have been flawless. When I bought my Shield years ago it had both FTF and FTE problems and had to go back to S&W the first week I owned it, so no gun is immune to problems.

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Picked up my second one yesterday.
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It's basically the same size as my 642 J-frame, but with double the round count
The overall footprint may be similar, but there's a pretty substantial difference in weight and shape.
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The overall footprint may be similar, but there's a pretty substantial difference in weight and shape.
OK, now you made me get out my scale....

642 empty weight is 13 ounces. 642 loaded weight is 15 ounces.

365 empty weight is 14.4 ounces. 365 loaded weight is 20.4 ounces.

The 642 butt, with a green crimson trace grip, is actually longer than the
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The 365 actually fits easier in my shorts front pocket and is quicker to draw than my 642.

Both are great guns, carry what makes you feel comfortable.
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For me, the 12 round magazine makes an enormous difference in the grip without actually adding much to the dimensions when compared to the 10 extended.
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can you dryfire P365 without harming the gun by putting snap cap in mag, racking slide to chamber snapcap....then after firing, pull the slide back a short way and doing this after each dryfire - this is the way we dryfire M&P auto matic pistols
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OK, now you made me get out my scale....

642 empty weight is 13 ounces. 642 loaded weight is 15 ounces.

365 empty weight is 14.4 ounces. 365 loaded weight is 20.4 ounces.

The 642 butt, with a green crimson trace grip, is actually longer than the
365 butt. I imagine with the 12 round magazine they would be about equal. Overall length is almost identical.

The 365 actually fits easier in my shorts front pocket and is quicker to draw than my 642.

Both are great guns, carry what makes you feel comfortable.
Would you clarify the empty weight above? Is that with no magazine at all? The Sig website lists the 365 weight at 17.8 oz.
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I know the shield had some minor problems when they first came out, but the 365 has MORE than minor issues! I could NOT carry a gun where the firing pin broke/malfunctioned for any reason after 1000 rounds or anytime!

This issue has happened on more than one gun. What if you have shot it a lot and everything has been OK, and when you need it for self defense you pull the trigger and nothing happens!

Do you want to risk your life on a gun that MAYBE will fire? Sig needs to find the batch/run of guns and the reason for this issue and have an immediate recall !!! JMO

This gun will be a great pistol when all concerns are fixed, but NOT one I would trust my LIFE on right now!

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Would you clarify the empty weight above? Is that with no magazine at all? The Sig website lists the 365 weight at 17.8 oz.
The Sig empty weight was with the magazine removed. The loaded weight was with 10 in the mag, chamber empty.

The 642 has a Crimson Trace green laser grip, so it probably weighs more than stock without the CT grip.

I dry fire with snap caps, moving the slide slightly to the rear to reset the trigger. My 365 has a very distinct reset.
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Sig doesn't list loaded weights, but Glock does for the 26 and has 10 rounds adding 4.41 ounces, which would give the P365 an approximate loaded weight of 22.21 ounces, which will vary depending on the specific ammunition.
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The P365 loaded with 124 gr is 24.7 oz.
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can you dryfire P365 without harming the gun by putting snap cap in mag, racking slide to chamber snapcap....then after firing, pull the slide back a short way and doing this after each dryfire - this is the way we dryfire M&P auto matic pistols
I always use a snap cap when dryfiring any gun. It is just added insurance against firing pin or breech face damage. Sig did have a very small number of firing tip breakage issues. The problem seems to be gone as of late. There is no question Sig is making minor changes as the gun is rolling out but their turnaround time is usually less than two weeks, (hear that S&W?)
As for those who think Sig is alone in their introduction of the P365? Think Kimber Solo, Remington R51, Shield, Shield EZ, Glock, etc. This happens with most new models and some prefer to wait and others jump on immediately and let the factory upgrade as needed. Mine is a gem and has replaced a lot of what I previously carried.
As for the weight, Duh, more ammo means more weight.

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My Sig P 365 was manufactured on May 21, 2018. It has 400 rounds through it (all Remington factory 115 gr. FMJ). The trigger has smoothed out quite a bit and the slide/ frame also feels smoother. That being said, my Kahr CM-9 has a much smoother trigger pull albeit much, much longer. I cleaned and lubed the pistol before the first round was fired. The trigger pull weight is under 8 lbs. There has been no malfunction, nor signs of excessive wear. Three other shooters have fired the pistol and were favorably impressed. There is a significant "wipe" on the spent primers of the cartridges. This last 200 rounds showed less "wipe" on many of the spent primers than the first 200 rounds. In the photo below, most of them look more like the spent primer on the left and none show the extreme wipe of the spent primer on the right. There are no scratch or wear marks on the magazines, as reported elsewhere. The pistol is very controllable for being so small. Doing drills, such as firing 2 shots in 1 second at 7 yards from the low ready position isn't difficult and the pistol doesn't shift, even with the flush magazine, in my medium sized hand. I don't use the popular both thumbs forward grip. I use a full grip with thumb low and gripping with the strong hand and the off-hand supporting.

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I don't use the popular both thumbs forward grip. I use a full grip with thumb low and gripping with the strong hand and the off-hand supporting.
It's interesting to hear you say that, Mike. I have found the "thumbs forward" grip creates problems for me when shooting small guns. I'm seriously thinking of going over to the "Front Sight" grip like you describe for all my pistol shooting.
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Both my wife and I recently purchased the Sig P-365. So far I have shot 150 rounds of various ammunition with no issues. My wife has almost 500 rounds through hers, again with no issues. Both are surprisingly very accurate and the recoil seems much less that our previous Shields. Mine fits my LC-9 holster so that solved the new holster issue. After another 200 rounds or so it will replace my LC-9 as my summer EDC. My winter gun will still be my M&P 45c, but I could carry the 365 is a BUG in my pocket. It's basically the same size as my 642 J-frame, but with double the round count. Trigger pull on my 365 is 5.5-6 pounds; trigger pull on my 642 is 10 pounds. The Sig is 100 times faster to reload.

Yes, I have read all of the "problems" listed in some of the forums, so I will pay attention to the issues mentioned, but so far both of ours have been flawless. When I bought my Shield years ago it had both FTF and FTE problems and had to go back to S&W the first week I owned it, so no gun is immune to problems.
I, too have both a LC9 and the Sig P365, although my LC9 is the striker version. The 365 does fit very well in my LC9s holsters.

I shoot both equally well, the LC9s has a trigger that is a bit lighter and I have more than 2300 trouble free rounds thru it.

The Sig is smaller, has less recoil and way better sights. The extra capacity has move it into my daily carry position. I have about 400 trouble free rounds thru it.
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I've seen internet talk that May production pistols have modified MIM firing pins/ strikers. Also modified trigger return springs and different grip modules, as well as, a few other more minor changes that I can't remember. I feel much more confident in my example. That being said, I'd like to put a few hundred more rounds (so far, only 400) through my May, 18 produced pistol before I carry it.
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