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Old 05-07-2018, 01:09 AM
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Local shop has a pretty good sale on both.

I have zero need for one, but as far as shotguns...yeah I know their actually not, all I have is my trusty pre 1968 Winchester 1200.

Kinda got my self talked out of getting one but if I cave, I really like the Remington Tac 14 Hard Wood version. It holds 5+1 like the Mossberg, and has wood furniture. I've heard the 870's have been lacking in QC thou.

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If I do cave, which one does the masses suggest?
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I bought the Tac-14 because I prefer a forged receiver. I have nothing against the Mossberg..but given the choice of forged vs stamped steel,especially for the same price, I'll take the forging. My 870 Tac-14 has been great right out of the box. Mine has plastic furniture,but does not matter to me. It's not meant for show..
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I bought a Tac-14 and have noticed no quality issues, but I would have waited for the Hardwood version if I knew it was coming.

The Hardwood version is patterned after the 870 Witness Protection gun used by the US Marshals in the ‘80’s. I’ve considered swapping out the stock/forearm on mine and adding a butt swivel, but Remington did me one better by increasing the magazine capacity. Very cool... I might just have to upgrade!
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I bought the Tac-14 because I prefer a forged receiver. I have nothing against the Mossberg..but given the choice of forged vs stamped steel,especially for the same price, I'll take the forging.
One could say sheet steel is forged with a continuous hammer when it goes through the rollers at the mill. I'd buy the gun with the features I liked best. Whether Mossberg or Remington the problem I have is the LGS owner is convinced the "firearm" weapons are somehow illegal and won't sell them. Stubborn fellow, LOL. May have to do with him wanting to sell the pistol grip shotguns he already has in stock.
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It's good Remington upped the capacity, that was the biggest drawback versus the Mossberg that I cared about. I do like the wood furniture with it, makes it look better.

As far as receivers go, both are proven designs. It's more about handling and ergonomics for me. I do prefer the Mossberg safety.
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I've got the 20ga Tac-14. I've owned several 12ga pistol grip shotguns over the years and when I sold the last one I said I'd never buy another. In my opinion, the 20ga is the only way to go for these little guns. Plenty of good defense loads for the 20ga these days, and your wife and kids can still shoot them too. Here's mine with a Tailhook brace, red dot, +1 mag extension, and 2 round card. The TAC-14 triggerguard safety works much better with the Mesa adapters than the Mossberg's tang safety.

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Just called the shop and their out of the Hard Wood version.

Kinda glad, because I was gonna get one even thou I was on the fence about it.
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The Hardwood version is patterned after the 870 Witness Protection gun used by the US Marshals in the ‘80’s.
I would love to get one, but, honestly, this is the only reason.
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I bought the Tac-14 because I prefer a forged receiver. I have nothing against the Mossberg..but given the choice of forged vs stamped steel,especially for the same price, I'll take the forging. My 870 Tac-14 has been great right out of the box. Mine has plastic furniture,but does not matter to me. It's not meant for show..
The Mossberg reciever is not stamped steel. The reciever is Aluminum just like an AR-15.
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One could say sheet steel is forged with a continuous hammer when it goes through the rollers at the mill. I'd buy the gun with the features I liked best. Whether Mossberg or Remington the problem I have is the LGS owner is convinced the "firearm" weapons are somehow illegal and won't sell them. Stubborn fellow, LOL. May have to do with him wanting to sell the pistol grip shotguns he already has in stock.
They are illegal in Ohio due to overall length. Don't know about Michigan.
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Like you I went back and forth before I decided on the 20 ga. Tac-14. The fact I’ve had an 870 since 1972 and am very familiar and comfortable with it swayed my decision. Had the hardwood version been available I definitely would have gone that route. And no complaints so far with mine.
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They are illegal in Ohio due to overall length. Don't know about Michigan.
AFAIK, legal in Michigan, in fact I saw a Shockwave at another shop (since closed) that was also a Class III dealer and the owner said, legal.
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They are illegal in Ohio due to overall length. Don't know about Michigan.
Is that 100% verified about Ohio? I ask because my brother-in-law lives there, and he said he knows people who got them.

I asked him about it, after I got mine (in La).
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Is that 100% verified about Ohio? I ask because my brother-in-law lives there, and he said he knows people who got them.

I asked him about it, after I got mine (in La).

Not legal in Ohio.
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I went with the Shockwave. At the time Rem didn’t have wood offered, had a lower mag capacity, and no swivels, plus the Mossberg came D&T’d. Also with the addition of the Opsol adapter you can increase the load to 9 rounds of mini shells. I don’t think they’re 100 reliable with the Rem.
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After a few months I found a deal on a NIB Shockwave on a local buy/trade site I couldn't turn down.

Traded a used Taurus SS 4" 94 22LR revolver for it.

Sure is a lot smaller than my pre 68 Winchester 1200 with an 18" barrel.

It's still soaked in the factory oil.

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I want a Mossberg Shockwave JIC with the Stainless Cerakote finish in the worst way, but I can't afford it right now and doubt that I'll be able to afford one anytime soon.

AFAIK, Mossberg doesn't offer a factory model of the Shockwave with wood furniture, which is kind of a problem seeing as the legality of the firearm is on shakey ground, and personally I'd be uncomfortable swapping out the existing grips with aftermarket ones.
I'm sure that eventually Mossberg will extend the Shockwave line to include a factory model with wood furniture as well as different finishes.

Personally, I would love to see them come out with a Shockwave with O.D. Green and Camouflage Cerakote finishes and wood grips, as that would be right up my alley.
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I want a Mossberg Shockwave JIC with the Stainless Cerakote finish in the worst way, but I can't afford it right now and doubt that I'll be able to afford one anytime soon.

AFAIK, Mossberg doesn't offer a factory model of the Shockwave with wood furniture, which is kind of a problem seeing as the legality of the firearm is on shakey ground, and personally I'd be uncomfortable swapping out the existing grips with aftermarket ones.
I'm sure that eventually Mossberg will extend the Shockwave line to include a factory model with wood furniture as well as different finishes.

Personally, I would love to see them come out with a Shockwave with O.D. Green and Camouflage Cerakote finishes and wood grips, as that would be right up my alley.

Kinda expensive, but this is some good looking stocks. I've seen the china wood stocks on ebay for around $145 I think.

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My local shop has the Remington. Handled it a couple of times and thought it was a nice piece.Well built, great finish, wood furniture. I think that it falls in a grey area as far as whether or not it's legal state to state. I was amazed that the local place had one .Figured they would have been illegal here.
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Kinda expensive, but this is some good looking stocks. I've seen the china wood stocks on ebay for around $145 I think.

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I've been thinking about these for my Shockwave.

I chose the Shockwave over the TAC-14 because of the tang safety, which makes it easier for my wife to use, she's a lefty. Now if it was a bottom eject like my Ithaca 37 it would be perfect.

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I bought the Tac-14 because I prefer a forged receiver. I have nothing against the Mossberg..but given the choice of forged vs stamped steel,especially for the same price, I'll take the forging. My 870 Tac-14 has been great right out of the box. Mine has plastic furniture,but does not matter to me. It's not meant for show..
In the 870 the receiver and maybe the bolt is forged......Everything else is stamped steel or plastic. The Mossberg has an aluminum receiver and everything else is stamped steel and plastic also.
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I bought one of the Mossberg Shockwaves shortly after they came out but I still don't know why. I much prefer the standard short barrel extended magazine riot gun. Being able to tuck the butt stock under your arm to open a gate or door sure comes in handy, not to mention accuracy past a few feet. And a standard short riot gun of whatever flavor is plenty easy to handle in a house, etc. But I have one......
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I have a Mossberg in every gauge because I'm left handed and the Mossberg is better suited with the tang safety and the position of the slide release. I plan to buy a Remington at some point just because of the wood and the resemblance to the witness protection piece . . .
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I plan to buy a Remington at some point just because of the wood and the resemblance to the witness protection piece . . .
And it does that resemblance well! I just need to put an M1 Carbine strap on mine to get it there all the way.

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Does Remington make the Tac-14 in 20 guage?
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I bought a Remington Gatekeeper before the TAC 14 came out. I went with the Remington because that is what I've always used and I have a lot of trigger time with. The 20 ga. would probably be a very good choice because of the lessened recoil, but I bought mine before that was an option. 12 ga. is probably a good choice for me because I am all set up for 12 ga. with a lot of factory ammo and reloading equipment. I changed out the plastic forend for an after market aluminum one. It added weight (less muzzle rise) and allowed me to add a Crimson Trace Railmaster and strap. I also added an arm brace. All of these accessories made the gun much more useful as a real tool and not a toy.

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local shop has one here with the wood. might have to pull the trigger on it... pun FULLY intended.
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Yes, Remington has recently come out with the TAC 14 in 20 ga. It looks like the other TAC 14 firearm, not like the shotgun pictured above in thread #26.
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Mossberg came out with a 410 Shockwave, seems kinda pointless to me.

If I wanted a 410, I'd probably buy a revolver variant.
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My Mossberg's action is way worst than my 50+ year old Winchester.

Will racking the slide multitudes of time help, or just wear it out faster? I'm not talking about dry firing it, just holding the slide release down and racking it.
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Mossberg came out with a 410 Shockwave, seems kinda pointless to me.

If I wanted a 410, I'd probably buy a revolver variant.
I remember thinking when I first heard about the Shockwave .410, "Can it chamber/fire .45 Long Colt as well?" then upon learning that it was just an ordinary .410 Shotgun, promptly lost all interest.

If it could fire .45LC then that would actually be pretty cool, especially if it were built strong enough to handle +P loads, but as is, I honestly can't think of a valid reason to own one over either a 20 Gauge variant or a .45/.410 Revolver like the Judge/Govornor/BFR.

Granted that I actually already own a Taurus Judge Magnum, so it's easier for me to dismiss it, but even so, I still can't think of anything the Shockwave .410 could do that couldn't be done better with a combination revolver or the Shockwave 20 Gauge.
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Will racking the slide multitudes of time help, or just wear it out faster? I'm not talking about dry firing it, just holding the slide release down and racking it.
When I first received my 870 TAC 14 it was pretty stiff so I broke it down and oiled it well with Breakfree and worked the action a lot and it did break it in well and it can almost be racked one handed (not that I would of course).
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My 20ga Tac 14 action was very nice out of the box. After some lithium/moly grease on the rails its like butter. I fit a CMR-206 green laser on the front of the forearm and added a strap that works perfectly for hip shooting. oddly enough, the laser unit fits into a cutout in the original box foam. I just need a 20ga +1 extension and a shell carrier to finish it off imo




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Suarez International - and though I've read plenty of horrible things regarding the seller, the product is very high quality - and the only 20ga extension I could find at the time.

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Suarez International - and though I've read plenty of horrible things regarding the seller, the product is very high quality - and the only 20ga extension I could find at the time.


Thx, I believe it’s still the only option. Good to know it’s a quality part. At $60 I’m gonna wait and see for a Black Friday special


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Suarez International - and though I've read plenty of horrible things regarding the seller, the product is very high quality - and the only 20ga extension I could find at the time.

Think a lot happens to be due to Gabe, and not the actual company...

I had a vent rib barrel that came from them... host barrel (Chinese) had the extractor cut positioned off. Emailed them, sent pictures, and they took care of it. Tried to make it work first, then did it on a new barrel. A lot of people automatically think that they are all in stock products... but for something like a barrel, where you pick different features... it is made to order.

Shy of that, everything else I got from them was spot on. I keep an eye on them, because they really are pushing the TAC-14 away from the hip-fire crowd and into something useful.



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Think a lot happens to be due to Gabe, and not the actual company...

I had a vent rib barrel that came from them... host barrel (Chinese) had the extractor cut positioned off. Emailed them, sent pictures, and they took care of it. Tried to make it work first, then did it on a new barrel. A lot of people automatically think that they are all in stock products... but for something like a barrel, where you pick different features... it is made to order.

Shy of that, everything else I got from them was spot on. I keep an eye on them, because they really are pushing the TAC-14 away from the hip-fire crowd and into something useful.

You sure that has on OAL of 26" when closed? Lot of the folding braces won't give you 26" when folded. Sure looks short.

I've looked into a few braces, and decided if I go that route, I'll just send the ATF $200 and put any stock I want on mine.

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You sure that has on OAL of 26" when closed? Lot of the folding braces won't give you 26" when folded. Sure looks short.

I've looked into a few braces, and decided if I go that route, I'll just send the ATF $200 and put any stock I want on mine.

Nope... it is 24” folded.

Doesn’t matter when it is folded. ATF uses the extended position for measurement (same with stocks). Suarez writes it on his webpage... but being I really didn’t trust it coming from him, look at the Black Aces DT. Even shorter barrel (9ish”), has a folding brace, and is over 26”.
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No reason to hip fire the TAC 14. It’s managable with standard brass, even more so with Low Recoil shells. Just keep a stiff, straight arm on the forearm. Clint Smith makes it look even easier.

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The two items discussed in this thread are legal under FEDERAL law; they are classed as "other" on Page 2 of Form 4473. BUT potential buyers should check their STATE LAW FIREARM DFFINTIONS. My state law has NO provision for "other" firearms, and defines a shotgun as having a shoulder stock.. As an FFL, I transferred one of each to different clients last year & they completes state handgun purchase application forms as well as the 4473s. I also added a note to local law enforcement on the state forms to explain the nature of the firearms & never received a squawk of any kind. If posters can use the Internet to read this forum, they can certainly look up their state laws online & get their answers.

Also, where did one poster get the idea that Remington shotguns have forged receivers? They stopped making pump shotguns that way around 1948-'50, when the 870 first appeared, followed by the 58 & 1100 semiautos a few years later. The later designs were an improvement over the previous forged guns, with things like twin slide bars instead of only one on the pump guns, but Remington went to machined aluminum receivers to lower production costs. They've sold a few million 870s & the model is still going strong--has anyone heard of one ever wearing out?

I personally like the top tang safety on the Mossberg, but I don't know as I'd want either of those things for myself. I like the idea of a regular stock, but I can see the advantage of a 20-gauge version of these two "shorties."

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Think a lot happens to be due to Gabe, and not the actual company...

I had a vent rib barrel that came from them... host barrel (Chinese) had the extractor cut positioned off. Emailed them, sent pictures, and they took care of it. Tried to make it work first, then did it on a new barrel. A lot of people automatically think that they are all in stock products... but for something like a barrel, where you pick different features... it is made to order.

Shy of that, everything else I got from them was spot on. I keep an eye on them, because they really are pushing the TAC-14 away from the hip-fire crowd and into something useful.





I must say, you’ve reached true tactical commando status with that Suarez stock. Honestly though what else can this gun be used for, besides fun at the range and being home defense guns? Like when would one need to tactically deploy that short range weapon with a folding stock?
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I must say, you’ve reached true tactical commando status with that Suarez stock. Honestly though what else can this gun be used for, besides fun at the range and being home defense guns? Like when would one need to tactically deploy that short range weapon with a folding stock?

First off... brace, not stock. One is legal in my state, the other is not (even if you get the stamp... SBS written in 2C:39 as a third degree crime). The “firearm” with brace is approved per NJSP letter, which specifically says that Federal law must be respected for those “firearms.”

Second, just because you don’t see a use for it... doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Remington is selling braced versions of the TAC-14, so there is obviously a demand. If there isn’t a reason for it (or a weapon like it), has no one ever gone for a SBS stamp? Guess you never got behind a 14” shotgun before. How about a vehicle gun? I personally don’t see a need for a laser on one of these firearms... does that give me the right to call you out on it? And if I did, I’d actually give reasons (respectful) instead of calling you a “tactical commando.” For example, these firearms might be viewed as “short range” weapons (from your quoted post), but you can load slugs in them. Change your sights (makes it easier), you can make hits well past 25 yards if you learn your holds (since he was brought up, Gabe Suarez has video of him connecting at 100 yards consistently). Not to mention, there have been people taking these firearms to trap ranges likely since the Shockwave’s release... not going to win the round, but people do make hits with them.

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My TAC-14 has a few different setups. I have that brace, but also a stippled OEM grip. Time and place for each, and I actually have different sling mounts for both. I wasn’t a fan of the standard barrel/bead, so bought the vent rib barrel (most of my time behind a shotgun was an 11-87 with a vent rib barrel). However, I also picked up a Remington rifle sight barrel... as it brings the sight plane up over bead sights. Eventually, the entire setup will be going to Robar for NP3 Plus.



In short, I posted those pictures up as it was both related to the original topic, as well as have an example of two orders from Suarez that I didn’t have a nightmare over (not a fan of Gabe as I’m definitely on opposite side of a few topics, but if he puts something out that I like/want, it isn’t a reason not to buy it). There was a guy on AR15.com that got a ****** rifle sighted barrel from Suarez, which had gaps between the barrel and soldered on rifle sights (never brought it up to them, which I’d rather give them the chance to fix... if not, then badmouth them). That was the reason why I went with the Remington one, even though they are lower. That nixed the original idea about doing a second TAC-14 with an RMR/cowitnessed sights... saving me a good amount of money.

wood714, was going to add to my other post... but got caught up with things today. In regards to the Mossberg safety, I wouldn’t go with a brace. Same reason why I would go with a traditional pistol grip on any Mossberg; makes the safety harder to use. I’m a big Remington fan, and with the safety position, a lot easier to use with that style of grip. If I got a Shockwave, I’d leave the OEM grip on... or if I end up in a state where I can SBS it, put on a traditional stock. But after the quality issues with the JIC2 500 that I had beforehand, I rather stick with Remington and have it refinished. Night and day difference in barrel quality... and even if Remington QC isn’t like it was, you don’t see the brass threads of a bead sight protruding into the inside of Remington barrels.
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First off... brace, not stock. One is legal in my state, the other is not (even if you get the stamp... SBS written in 2C:39 as a third degree crime). The “firearm” with brace is approved per NJSP letter, which specifically says that Federal law must be respected for those “firearms.”

Second, just because you don’t see a use for it... doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Remington is selling braced versions of the TAC-14, so there is obviously a demand. If there isn’t a reason for it (or a weapon like it), has no one ever gone for a SBS stamp? Guess you never got behind a 14” shotgun before. How about a vehicle gun? I personally don’t see a need for a laser on one of these firearms... does that give me the right to call you out on it? And if I did, I’d actually give reasons (respectful) instead of calling you a “tactical commando.” For example, these firearms might be viewed as “short range” weapons (from your quoted post), but you can load slugs in them. Change your sights (makes it easier), you can make hits well past 25 yards if you learn your holds (since he was brought up, Gabe Suarez has video of him connecting at 100 yards consistently). Not to mention, there have been people taking these firearms to trap ranges likely since the Shockwave’s release... not going to win the round, but people do make hits with them.

And third, if I did only what people on the internet approved of, my firearm collection would be noticeably smaller. Until someone starts supplying the funds for my own hobby... I’ll decide on what I will buy. Shockwave & Tac 14 Hard Wood

My TAC-14 has a few different setups. I have that brace, but also a stippled OEM grip. Time and place for each, and I actually have different sling mounts for both. I wasn’t a fan of the standard barrel/bead, so bought the vent rib barrel (most of my time behind a shotgun was an 11-87 with a vent rib barrel). However, I also picked up a Remington rifle sight barrel... as it brings the sight plane up over bead sights. Eventually, the entire setup will be going to Robar for NP3 Plus.



In short, I posted those pictures up as it was both related to the original topic, as well as have an example of two orders from Suarez that I didn’t have a nightmare over (not a fan of Gabe as I’m definitely on opposite side of a few topics, but if he puts something out that I like/want, it isn’t a reason not to buy it). There was a guy on AR15.com that got a ****** rifle sighted barrel from Suarez, which had gaps between the barrel and soldered on rifle sights (never brought it up to them, which I’d rather give them the chance to fix... if not, then badmouth them). That was the reason why I went with the Remington one, even though they are lower. That nixed the original idea about doing a second TAC-14 with an RMR/cowitnessed sights... saving me a good amount of money.

wood714, was going to add to my other post... but got caught up with things today. In regards to the Mossberg safety, I wouldn’t go with a brace. Same reason why I would go with a traditional pistol grip on any Mossberg; makes the safety harder to use. I’m a big Remington fan, and with the safety position, a lot easier to use with that style of grip. If I got a Shockwave, I’d leave the OEM grip on... or if I end up in a state where I can SBS it, put on a traditional stock. But after the quality issues with the JIC2 500 that I had beforehand, I rather stick with Remington and have it refinished. Night and day difference in barrel quality... and even if Remington QC isn’t like it was, you don’t see the brass threads of a bead sight protruding into the inside of Remington barrels.


I’m sorry I didn’t mean to offend... it’s just I had a real hard time trying to think of a real-world example of when that folding stock would be needed on a short range weapon (-100 yds). I’m biased towards an SBR. I think Gabe does have some good ideas about the gun, as do you. Also I think your gun looks cool, and I’m glad your exercising your right to bear arms brother


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Finally got a chance to put a few rounds thru it today.

Put 25 rounds of 7 1/2 shot thru it... safety bit me a little on the second round. I only put 5 rounds of 00 thru it and called it a day. Wasn't bad at all with the shot, but the 00 kicked like a mule.

I ordered a case of Low Recoil Fiocchi 00 to try in it.

Called the ATF yesterday for some fingerprint cards, still on the fence, but I'll probably have it stamped as a SBS.
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[QUOTE=jw mathews;

Also, where did one poster get the idea that Remington shotguns have forged receivers? They stopped making pump shotguns that way around 1948-'50, when the 870 first appeared, followed by the 58 & 1100 semiautos a few years later. The later designs were an improvement over the previous forged guns, with things like twin slide bars instead of only one on the pump guns, but Remington went to stamped steel receivers to lower production costs.[/QUOTE]

Remington 870s and 1100s have stamped sheet metal
receivers? Uhh...No.
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Alwslate--

Perhaps I misspoke in my above comment about 870 receivers. Not trying to knock the gun in any way as I know Remington has made over 11 Million of them! I've been looking through some old gun annuals & Internet articles but all I've found is that the receivers are "machined steel." I have not found anything stating how the basic steel shape was made. I do know that the 870 utilizes many stamped parts, much moreso than the previous Model 31 (which I have).
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jw I have five 870s, two 1100s and two 31s. All have machined steel
receivers. All you have to do is field strip any of them and then remove
the trigger group and you can easily see the obvious. Early 31s have a
steel trigger housing but the 1941 version has an alloy trigger housing
like the 870. 870s have more stamped parts than the 31 like the slide
action bars and shell stops but the main difference is that the 31 bolt
is tilted up at the rear by the action bar and locks into a machined
recess in the roof of the receiver while the 870 has a locking lug
that tilts up at the front to engage a recess in the barrel extension.
The 31 is similar to the Winchester mod 12 in that both have chamber
rings or bushings the bolt has to headspace against so both require much
more machining than the 870 so are more expensive to make and so
are "better" in the minds of the owners.
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alwslate--

Thanks for yr comments. I phoned Remington the other day & was told that the 870 receivers are now aluminum, machined from bar stock, so I have corrected my post above to reflect that info.

I have a Model 31 made in 1947 that I've owned since 1950. It is a 26" skeet gun with a vent rib. Ca 1958 I sent it to Remington & had them fit a 32" full choke plain bbl. They sent the skeet bbl back to me & shipped the gun to Herter's in MN to fit a vent rib. IIrc the plain bbl cost $30 & the Remington vent rib cost $60 and the Herter's rib cost $15, so even w/ shipping I saved a bit of money. I would agree that the 870 is a better design as it allows interchangeable barrels w/o special fitting, stc.
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