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Old 05-11-2018, 03:49 PM
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On May 9, the CMP released new details on how people may purchase the surplus 1911A1 pistols as they become available.

There is a lot of new information now, and all interested forum members can read it by clicking here.

The CMP apologizes for their website, as their server(s) haven't been able to keep up with the volume of traffic lately.

The most interesting part of the new information to me is that the CMP has now released pricing information on the pistols. I will quote that part of the information here, in case anyone isn't able to access their website right now.

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CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.

Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.

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(Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction. Note: If you have already purchased a 1911 from CMP you will not be allowed to purchase an auction 1911. If you purchase an auction 1911, your name will be pulled from the sequenced list. No repeat purchasers are allowed until all orders received have been filled.

The shipping cost is included in the price.
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Not trying to be a wise guy...but am I missing something here? Those prices seem pretty high for what I'm guessing is an old, bone stock, and possibly rough condition 1911.
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That yellow font is horrendous, but the information is interesting. Like most I suppose... my interest in getting one is about 1%.

What will be most entertaining is to hear about the experiences of those who do participate. I expect to see a crapload of folks trying to flip them. I wonder how that will go.
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No, you are not a wise guy, but you are a wise guy.

The prices are nuts for "as-described" beat-up, old 1911s, with the only thing going for them being the CMP markings. Sure, I've no doubt that they'll go bang, but to make them shoot somewhat accurately, I predict lots of barrel and bushing replacements, not to mention stuff like tightening the slide and replacing springs. Don't even want to think about outward appearances.

There are a lot of fish out there, though.

I'll pass, also.
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Selling used guns for 10x what the govt paid for them new... I will pass on this great deal.
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Legit all numbers matching wartime guns? Sure.

Guns that were used and abused on the range for 50 years and overcleaned for white glove inspections? Nah.
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The Army is only releasing 8,000 M1911s to the CMP this year (Max. annual allotment is 10,000). I expect that orders will well exceed that number. Earlier news releases indicated there would be several grades but selection within those grades would be "luck of the draw". Now I see that they are going to auction any really desirable pistols. With prices of 'rack' grade pistols starting at $850 I don't see any "bargains" but the CMP is now self-supporting from rifle, and now pistol, sales.
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These are more about a piece of American history than about a target pistol. IMO
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I had the same response about the 1911s. It just seems too much for what they are. I had the same opinion of the Garlands. Mismatched parts and poor condition just didn’t interest me for $1,200. I’ll pass as well but hope the people that do want them enjoy them.
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Iím gonna throw my hat in the ring. Service Grade Garands are in very nice condition. The CMP usually downgrades the weapons. If I get picked and am disappointed, worst case I can re-sell in for a profit. Anybody willing to pay $1050 for a sight unseen weapon will pay more for one with pictures.

Not intending to flip it, but I donít see how you can lose money on a service grade CMP service grade 1911.
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I had the same opinion of the Garlands. Mismatched parts and poor condition just didnít interest me for $1,200.
Garands in such condition would sell for $630... you might find them at a gun show a month later for $1,200 but that's a whole nother story.
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Nobody ever said that the 8,000 M1911's that the CMP is supposed to receive this year will all be serviceable. The actual sellable number will be less.

I'm an unrepentant CMP fanboy, but I'm out of this round.
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Watchdog's post made me recall the CMP guns I shot at SAFS at Camp Perry back in the day. Those hardball/EIC/leg match-legal 1911-A1 .45s were always well-worn, many were pre-WW II, and they were, none of them, something special to look at.

But they all shot. These guns were periodically reworked at military arsenals and while ugly, would invariably shoot 10 shots into the 10 ring at 25 yards. If any of those show up in these sales, someone is going to get a heck of a bargain, and a piece of history to boot. And I don't have to tell you what one of these ugly old Remington Rand's will bring at auction today.
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that the CMP will sell every one they can get their hands on. Not to me - expensive collectables aren't my thing - but they'll have buyers lined up for everyone they can put up for sale. That's good - the money will go to a worthy cause and a lot of collectors will be happy to have the piece of history that they represent. A big win for everyone in my book.
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for those prices the gun would have to have been carried by Omar Bradley or Alvin York.
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I got one of one of those old DCM 1911s for Christmas a LONG time ago. I was 17. My father had bought a Remington Rand from a co-worker for $25 and put it under the tree. (In those days they cost all of $17.50...)

For some reason I suspected what was in the box. Could hardly wait to get back from Midnight Mass to know for sure.

Best present EVER. I still have the gun...and the memories.
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I know the sales are random, so I know this is impossible. However, the only way I would be interested would be if I could get one of the 1911s I was issued when on active duty, just for sentimental reasons.
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Nope, any money I spend getting a .45 will be at my LGS. I also get to check it out there!
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This is all you need to know . . . They will sell out FAST!

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Customer names from complete CMP 1911 order form packets will be fed into a computerized Random Number Generator on 5 October 2018. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequential order through the random picking process. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator. The CMP 1911 customers will select their grade of pistol (Service, Field or Rack) from available inventory at the time of order notification. Customers with higher numbers may have fewer grades from which to choose. When this yearís allotment of 1911s is exhausted, the remaining orders will be held in the existing sequence for all future allotments of 1911s. The CMP does not know what future allotments might be.
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I'm gonna take a wait and see attitude. I'm a big fan of the CMP and have bought rifles from them in the past. However, I want to see at least pictures of these 1911s to evaluate just what they're selling. Most of the rumors are that these pistols are all pretty rough. But those are rumors. I want to know for sure. So I think I'll let this year's batch slide. Maybe I'll try for one next year.

Also understand that this is not the regular CMP that we're used to dealing with. It seems that CMP 1911 is a separate entity created just to sell these pistols. So I'll wait to see how that works out as well.
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CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records.

Besides, I already have a G.I 1911. Its a nice gun, but has been rebuilt at least once, maybe more.
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As many have said above, I agree they will go fast, I think the pricing structure is fair. Anyone who has bought any GI 1911 's today is usually paying a much higher price by as much as 50% and up. The days of the $50 to $75. 45's is long gone, and yes I have a couple from that long ago era that I would not sell for $2000. today. Good luck to all who are hoping to get one and thank heavens that the CMP is here. All my very best, Joe.
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The last 1911's were purchased in 1943-so the newest would be 74 years old. We had them in VN. Most were junk then. My MOS required side arms, and most of the guys (small detachment) carried revolvers that we got from multiple sources. I am thinking that these have either been completely re-built, or they are strictly a collectors piece-not something to shoot. The ones we had, both in training stateside (AIT Infantry) and in country, were JUNK.
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I too will pass on the the DCM pistols. If anyone noticed, you can buy a new pistol for less than what these old warhorses are selling for.
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The last 1911's were purchased in 1943-so the newest would be 74 years old. We had them in VN. Most were junk then. My MOS required side arms, and most of the guys (small detachment) carried revolvers that we got from multiple sources. I am thinking that these have either been completely re-built, or they are strictly a collectors piece-not something to shoot. The ones we had, both in training stateside (AIT Infantry) and in country, were JUNK.
A college buddy and I both went in the Army after graduating in 1964. He went OCS and I went PVT due to poor eyesight. He was issued a 1911 which he couldn't hit a barn with. I was on a base Bullseye team and used a supply room 1911 for center fire. I could hit a barn OK but the target was a real challenge. This was over 50 years ago and those old guns didn't get better during those years. These guns will sell to the unknowledgeable souvenir hunters.

I have been lucky enough to get two birth year(1942) Colt 1911-A1s over the years. One is all correct and the other mostly correct. Those guns cover my WW II need.
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While I would like an original 1911, if they are anything like the one my father used stateside during the Korean War (he said that he could not hit anything with it and would have to throw it to hit anything), I will pass, particularly for the steep price. My Springfield Mil Spec. and others will have to do for now.
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A college buddy and I both went in the Army after graduating in 1964. He went OCS and I went PVT due to poor eyesight. He was issued a 1911 which he couldn't hit a barn with. I was on a base Bullseye team and used a supply room 1911 for center fire. I could hit a barn OK but the target was a real challenge. This was over 50 years ago and those old guns didn't get better during those years. These guns will sell to the unknowledgeable souvenir hunters.

I have been lucky enough to get two birth year(1942) Colt 1911-A1s over the years. One is all correct and the other mostly correct. Those guns cover my WW II need.
As some army vets will know-11B's and 11C's trained together (C's are motormen) The c's had to qualify with the 1911-the rest of us were there for "familiarization." We had one guy who had been shooting handguns with his dad since age 8-he was the only one who shot a score that qualified-and I don't think he was a "C", he barely made it. There were constant malfunctions while we spent an entire day on the range. I guess the range NCO's were embarrassed, but I'll bet all those 11 Charley's qualified with the help of a pencil. Hey, what else were they going to do? This was very early 1969.
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Well, I used the 1911a1 over half my career, and although some were rough, most were very serviceable. I carried and qualified scores of times from 1980-1993 when the last unit I was in traded in for new M9’s.

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These pistols aren’t being sold as bullseye shooters or self defense guns. If that’s what you want a .45 for you’re right, you can buy a better gun (or at least as good a gun) for less.These guns are sold as historical artifacts representative of the United States military through most of the major conflicts of the 20th century. These were the most personal weapons of individual soldiers carried throughout those conflicts. One doesn’t buy a US marked Single Action Army from 1875 because he wants a shooter. He buys it for its historical value. Same here.

US martial arms have always been worth more than equivalent civilian arms because of their historical significance, and CMP is obligated by law to value its guns at something close to market value. A 1943 Colt 1911A1, all original and in good condition, will bring about $3000 these days. Even old re-parked parts guns often bring upwards of $1500 on the open market if serviceable. I never thought I would see the day when CMP would be allowed to sell handguns to the public, yet here we are. I say hooray for that. This batch of 8000 will be sold out overnight, and if CMP can use that money ( if anything, its prices are a bit under current market values) to help support its good work so much the better.
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