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Old 05-12-2018, 07:12 PM
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Yup..... I bought one....

I bought one of these several years ago for the wife to learn on. She liked it, I liked it even more but then ended up selling it to upgrade the wife on a larger gun. Well to make the long story short. I bought another one... What attracted me to it was for one, it's Jame Bond looks, solid feel & robust construction. As long as you feed it quality HV ammo, it's happy. The barrel is threaded to accept a silencer or other accessory. It's gonna make a fun & cheap plinker at the range and side companion for the woods.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:21 PM
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I like mine. It shoots as well as my PP in .22 LR (a British L66A1 variant) and the magazine is a significant improvement as it will reliably function with a full 10 round magazine where most PPs in .22 LR won't feed reliably with more than 8 rounds in the magazine.





Aside from the Zamak frame and slide, it's also very similar in over all design, with some differences in finish on the small parts. It also uses a barrel shroud and barrel nut like the P22, but the shroud is pressed into the frame just like the barrel on the PP.







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Mine has been dead reliable too. Pleasantly surprised to date on how well it shoots with high velocity rounds.

Will not reliably cycle “ normal” 40gr subsonic LR rounds that I tried either but have been pretty reliable with 60gr Aguila SSS.
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Mine has been 100% reliability with MiniMags.
Not crazy about the double action trigger pull.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:26 AM
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I like mine. It shoots as well as my PP in .22 LR (a British L66A1 variant) and the magazine is a significant improvement as it will reliably function with a full 10 round magazine where most PPs in .22 LR won't feed reliably with more than 8 rounds in the magazine.
May I ask how many different Walther magazines you have tried to have made this statement? I have over a dozen .22 l.r. magazines for my old Zella Mehlis PP and a Walther PP Sport and have not had any issues when loading 10 rounds. The PP magazine is using the same magazine body as the Hämmerli International and I shoot a 212 with the magazines filled up with ten rounds without issues, also.
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I got one of these myself back in 2015, they make great little plinkers.

My only issue with them are the matte black finish on the "blued" model which is neither attractive nor durable and the heavy 17lb DA trigger. One of these days I'd like to Durablue mine to give it a more classic look.

A bit of advice though, stay away from the Walther Forums, they're biased as hell against this particular model of the gun, and thus do nothing but bash it. Worse yet is the fact that most of the folks bashing it have never so much as held one in their hands much less fired one, ergo everything they say about them is fueled by complete ignorance rather than factual first-hand experience. Furthermore, they'll outright lie about them, making outrageous claims about their slides cracking, but so far I have yet to see so much as a single report online of such a thing actually happening, and when pressed for evidence they cite early models of the Walther P22, which is a completely different firearm which predates the PPK/S .22, has long since been strengthened to prevent the slide from cracking, and best of all, based on reports I've read, such cracks only occurred as a byproduct of catastrophic ammo failure which would have damaged a Steel or Aluminum slide as well. So yeah, avoid the Walther Forums.
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I have one of the newer PPK/s .22s as well. It is a good little gun and shoots well. Yep, they can be picky about ammo and the DA trigger is kind of heavy. But the darned thing is a lot of fun. Oddly enough, mine has a real liking for the cheap Remington Thunder Bolts.
I picked mine up used and pretty cheap a couple of years ago. I sorta have a thing for the Walther PP series pistols.


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I have a Walther PP that was proofed in 1972. It's a really fine performer - reliable, and puts the bullets where you aim.





These are great little .22 pistols.

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I had a PPK/s made by Maunrhin and imported by Interarms. it was a very good shooting pistol and I paid $286 for it new back in the middle 1980's. I also got a 380 version also. I wish I had kept them
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Oddly enough, mine has a real liking for the cheap Remington Thunderbolts.
Dude! That's crazy because I would think twice about touching Thunderbolts again but in my PPK/s 22, they ran like a champ and didn't even sludge up the barrel like it done on other pistols.
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A bit of advice though, stay away from the Walther Forums, they're biased as hell against this particular model of the gun, and thus do nothing but bash it. Worse yet is the fact that most of the folks bashing it have never so much as held one in their hands much less fired one, ergo everything they say about them is fueled by complete ignorance rather than factual first-hand experience. Furthermore, they'll outright lie about them, making outrageous claims about their slides cracking, but so far I have yet to see so much as a single report online of such a thing actually happening, and when pressed for evidence they cite early models of the Walther P22, which is a completely different firearm which predates the PPK/S .22, has long since been strengthened to prevent the slide from cracking, and best of all, based on reports I've read, such cracks only occurred as a byproduct of catastrophic ammo failure which would have damaged a Steel or Aluminum slide as well. So yeah, avoid the Walther Forums.
I was on the Walther forums before in the past when I bought my first PPK/s 22 and you're right... In fact just for giggles I went on it again just to look and in the PPK/s 22lr section the last posts were from a couple yrs ago. I guess they chased the 22 shooters away. The latest thing on their forum is now they're saying the PPK/s 22 has been discontinued. When it fact, it hasn't.
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Aside from the Zamak frame and slide, it's also very similar in over all design, with some differences in finish on the small parts.
Zamak pot metal--like Ravens and Jennings??

Say it ain't so!
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Zamak pot metal--like Ravens and Jennings??

Say it ain't so!
Nope, the pot metal used in the infamous "Saturday Night Specials" of old was extremely brittle due to the fact that it was essentially scrap metal, and as such had tons of impurities, was extremely inconsistent in terms of composition, and had absolutely no QC.

ZAMAK is an industry standard alloy consisting of exact percentages of Zinc, Aluminum, Magnesium, and Copper. The only way it can fail is if the manufacturer didn't use enough of it, but thankfully, firearms manufacturers who use ZAMAK these days don't want to be sued into bankruptcy or become synonymous with producing dangerously unreliable firearms like Raven/Phoenix/Bryco/Jennings/etc, so they build them properly.
If any proof is necessary to convince you of the structural integrity of ZAMAK, then have a look at this...


It's only 12 minutes long, but if that's too long for you, then skip to the end when he actually shoots the Hi-Point's slide with another pistol, and not only does it withstand the force, but continues to function reliably afterwards, not bad for a $150 pistol made of ZAMAK.
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May I ask how many different Walther magazines you have tried to have made this statement? I have over a dozen .22 l.r. magazines for my old Zella Mehlis PP and a Walther PP Sport and have not had any issues when loading 10 rounds. The PP magazine is using the same magazine body as the Hämmerli International and I shoot a 212 with the magazines filled up with ten rounds without issues, also.
Two. Given that nice magazines sell north of $100, stock piling magazines is another area where the new PPK/S .22 has a solid advantage.


Over priced PP magazines aside, if you look at them side by side, the design improvements in the new magazine are obvious.

The new design presents the round at a higher angle, just like the Ruger MK I - IV pistols. That improves the feeding, but also reduces the chance of rim lock.



The new magazine is slightly wider at the rear, which allows the rounds to splay a bit more, which reduces the curve in the 10 round stack. That does require a slightly wider magazine. The magazine is also longer, which precludes fitting 10 rounds in a flush magazine, so the finger rest is mandatory on the PPK/S .22 LR.



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Dirty - I’ll take your word for it.
Anybody with that screen name would not pee down my back and tell me it’s raining.
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Edit: I was typing while the above comparison pictures were posted, but still...


I'm the lucky owner of a 1967 PPK Dural in .22 that also works well full up, including with the longer PP/PPKs magazines. I'd have to count, but I have ten or so.

The question not answered by people with both - is there any interchangeability of magazines between the new and the original models?

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Dirty - I’ll take your word for it.
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Would you?
I have no reason to fib you, I'm merely speaking truth based on factual evidence.

Anyone who calls ZAMAK "pot metal" knows nothing about metallurgy whatsoever, nor do they even know what pot metal actually was and is operating under the erroneous assumption that Zinc is a low quality/brittle metal by default.

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Edit: I was typing while the above comparison pictures were posted, but still...

I'm the lucky owner of a 1967 PPK Dural in .22 that also works well full up, including with the longer PP/PPKs magazines. I'd have to count, but I have ten or so.

The question not answered by people with both - is there any interchangeability of magazines between the new and the original models?
The new (2013-present) PPK/S .22 magazines are not interchangeable with older models. (A new magazine will not work in an old PPK/S nor with an old magazine work in a new PPK/S .22)
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I got one of these myself back in 2015, they make great little plinkers.

My only issue with them are the matte black finish on the "blued" model which is neither attractive nor durable and the heavy 17lb DA trigger. One of these days I'd like to Durablue mine to give it a more classic look.

A bit of advice though, stay away from the Walther Forums, they're biased as hell against this particular model of the gun, and thus do nothing but bash it. Worse yet is the fact that most of the folks bashing it have never so much as held one in their hands much less fired one, ergo everything they say about them is fueled by complete ignorance rather than factual first-hand experience. Furthermore, they'll outright lie about them, making outrageous claims about their slides cracking, but so far I have yet to see so much as a single report online of such a thing actually happening, and when pressed for evidence they cite early models of the Walther P22, which is a completely different firearm which predates the PPK/S .22, has long since been strengthened to prevent the slide from cracking, and best of all, based on reports I've read, such cracks only occurred as a byproduct of catastrophic ammo failure which would have damaged a Steel or Aluminum slide as well. So yeah, avoid the Walther Forums.
I'm in agreement about the "blued" version. I opted for the plated version and the finish has held up very well.

I also agree with you about the Walther forum. I've been a member there for years and it is very collector oriented when it comes to the PP and TP series sub forum.

There is a definite pecking order with the pre-war Zella Mehlis variants being king. Oddly enough, the Walther roll marked PP pistols are preferred over the Manuhrin made versions, even though the quality is usually better on the Manuhrin pistols. From about 1953 up to 1986, Manuhrin shipped completed frames and small parts along with a forged and milled but in hardened and in roll marked slides to Walther who used an induction coil heat treatment process on the before roll marking and finishing them. As a result, the bluing on the slide and frame often doesn't match. But it's apparently all about the "final inspection" and Walther roll mark.

Obviously in that environment, a Zamak frame and slide version isn't going to be well regarded no matter how well it shoots. And God forbid any one suggests that the new pistols shoot as good as or better than the old ones.

The fact is however that it's been a long time since the last Manuhrin or Walther PP, PPK or PPK/S .22 LR pistols have been made, and there's obviously a market for them.
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That Walther Forum Bias exists in other areas-
Know a guy who bought a Porsche 928.
And then went to a Porsche Club Meeting.
They treated him a Leper!
They took turns explaining his ignorance and transgressions.
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I'm in agreement about the "blued" version. I opted for the plated version and the finish has held up very well.

I also agree with you about the Walther forum. I've been a member there for years and it is very collector oriented when it comes to the PP and TP series sub forum.

There is a definite pecking order with the pre-war Zella Mehlis variants being king. Oddly enough, the Walther roll marked PP pistols are preferred over the Manuhrin made versions, even though the quality is usually better on the Manuhrin pistols. From about 1953 up to 1986, Manuhrin shipped completed frames and small parts along with a forged and milled but in hardened and in roll marked slides to Walther who used an induction coil heat treatment process on the before roll marking and finishing them. As a result, the bluing on the slide and frame often doesn't match. But it's apparently all about the "final inspection" and Walther roll mark.

Obviously in that environment, a Zamak frame and slide version isn't going to be well regarded no matter how well it shoots. And God forbid any one suggests that the new pistols shoot as good as or better than the old ones.

The fact is however that it's been a long time since the last Manuhrin or Walther PP, PPK or PPK/S .22 LR pistols have been made, and there's obviously a market for them.
Yeah, I remember seeing you there. You may recall seeing my posts as well under the name Agent_PPKS, which I had later changed to Austin_Powers.

I lost my taste for that place after Searcher451 locked my Fort Smith PPK(/S) FAQ once I finally started defending myself from the good ol' boys who only posted in the thread to blatantly insult me. Apparently it was okay for them to harass me, but when I called them out by name for it that just went too far.
I had an Admin unlock it a year or so later so that I could update it with new info, but beforehand I had posted a thread on the main TP/PP Forum where I got the usual heckling and negative responses from the usual suspects, and that ultimately proved to be the last straw.

Hopefully one of these days someone will come along and start a forum for actual fans of Walther products rather than a collector's forum for elitist old men who only like the classics.

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Yeah, I remember seeing you there. You may recall seeing my posts as well under the name Agent_PPKS, which I had later changed to Austin_Powers.

I lost my taste for that place after Searcher451 locked my Fort Smith PPK(/S) FAQ once I finally started defending myself from the good ol' boys who only posted in the thread to blatantly insult me. Apparently it was okay for them to harass me, but when I called them out by name for it that just went too far.
I had an Admin unlock it a year or so later so that I could update it with new info, but beforehand I had posted a thread on the main TP/PP Forum where I got the usually heckling and negative responses from the usually suspects, and that ultimately proved to be the last straw.

Hopefully one of these days someone will come along and start a forum for actual fans of Walther products rather than a collector's forum for elitist old men who only like the classics.
I still drop in there to see what's going on maybe every 3 or 4 months. I can't recall the last time I posted anything tough.
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That Walther Forum Bias exists in other areas-
Know a guy who bought a Porsche 928.
And then went to a Porsche Club Meeting.
They treated him a Leper!
They took turns explaining his ignorance and transgressions.
The 928 is a good example. As a front engine, water cooled with a focus on greater luxury than the 911, it was sure to tick off the Porsche pure sports car fan boys.

But the fact remains that it had a great deal of appeal to people who wanted something more comfortable and less quirky than a 911, and it stayed in production for almost 20 years.
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Here's the one 22 PPK/s I own. It was made in 1975. A lot of fun to shoot and like others have said, it shoots great using MiniMags.

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I'm also at the Walther forum with the same callsign as I have here. The Walther forum is also source of good info, but its tone is shaped by those with long membership and many posts who often deride other members for their choice of Walther or $ paid. (I dropped from the forum for almost three years because it turned me off so much -- I had a different callsign then.) What I like about this S&W forum is its members' objectivity and focus on guns. (It's about the gun, not why you bought it or how much you paid.)
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I'm also at the Walther forum with the same callsign as I have here. The Walther forum is also source of good info, but its tone is shaped by those with long membership and many posts who often deride other members for their choice of Walther or $ paid. (I dropped from the forum for almost three years because it turned me off so much -- I had a different callsign then.) What I like about this S&W forum is its members' objectivity and focus on guns. (It's about the gun, not why you bought it or how much you paid.)
Yep, I've been reading/posting on the forum again lately since the new production Walther PPK(/S) appears to finally be coming out, but it's still more or less the same place.

Personally, I had to actually place some of the more obnoxious elitist regulars on my Ignore List just to make it more bearable. I avoided it for as long as I could, but some of the guys there are just broken records whose posts I could no longer tolerate reading.

Honestly, it's one thing to say that you prefer and older model and/or dislike some of the changes made to newer models, but to post it multiple times in the same thread is just ridiculous. I swear it's as though some of those guys feel the need to remind everyone at least once per page of their opinion.
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I got one about two years ago at Academy Sports on sale for 250 really like it I can carry it in the front pocket of my overalls it just the right size. Jeff
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My late dad’s friend let me shoot his Walther .22. Forgot if it was PP,PPK/s or what, but I loved it. I decided I must have one in .380 and waited until I found an Interarms PPK/S which is a great gun.
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Two. Given that nice magazines sell north of $100, stock piling magazines is another area where the new PPK/S .22 has a solid advantage.


Over priced PP magazines aside, if you look at them side by side, the design improvements in the new magazine are obvious.

The new design presents the round at a higher angle, just like the Ruger MK I - IV pistols. That improves the feeding, but also reduces the chance of rim lock.



The new magazine is slightly wider at the rear, which allows the rounds to splay a bit more, which reduces the curve in the 10 round stack. That does require a slightly wider magazine. The magazine is also longer, which precludes fitting 10 rounds in a flush magazine, so the finger rest is mandatory on the PPK/S .22 LR.



That does not answer my question or validate your point that the original rimfire PP magazines only work reliable with 8 rounds.
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That does not answer my question or validate your point that the original rimfire PP magazines only work reliable with 8 rounds.
My point is two fold:

1) The pictures are there to highlight the engineering advantages in terms of improved feed angle and reduced potential for rim lock; and

2) Based on my experience shooting this PP in .22 LR and a few others over the last 40 years, and the experience of many other PP owners, the consensus is that many .22 LR PP pistols and magazines just don't feed as reliably with more than 8 rounds in the magazine.

Your mileage may vary and your contention that the above isn't true doesn't change the engineering or the experience that many PP owners have had with more than 8 rounds in the magazine.
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I am also a member of the Walther Forum and it is not a very friendly place. In no way does it compare to the S&W Forum.
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Here's the one 22 PPK/s I own. It was made in 1975. A lot of fun to shoot and like others have said, it shoots great using MiniMags.

this looks just like the .22 I mentioned my dad’s friend let me shoot. This guy used to do covert flights into Vietnam and always carried a Browning Hi-Power. The Walther was acquired later, I think. Like me he was left handed and tolerated for decades those righty thumb rest grips like yours saying he didn’t know where to get regular grips. I went home, got on EBay, and in a few days the grips showed up at his house. That .22 never jammed the one day we plinked the heck out of it.

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Your mileage may vary and your contention that the above isn't true doesn't change the engineering or the experience that many PP owners have had with more than 8 rounds in the magazine.
Neither is your claim any proof that there isn't a large number of rimfire PP owners that did not experience this problem but, hey, you have over 40 years of shooting experience and so do I.
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I am also a member of the Walther Forum and it is not a very friendly place. In no way does it compare to the S&W Forum.
No, it doesn't compare in general friendliness and overall competence, nor is there a lot of traffic there - but then only few other gunforums compare to this one. The Coltforum comes to my mind.
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I collect Walther pistols. The folks on the Walther forum dislike the new .22 lr pistol because of the metal used. They feel like it is close to pot metal. All of my Walther's are stainless steel, and that is why I have not bought the .22 lr model, plus I already have too many guns that shoot .22 lr. I try and not be very judgemental, if you like a certain firearm buy it. I don't have to.
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Been carrying this one since early 70's, 22 cal and shoots like a dream, very accurate and never failed me!
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I collect Walther pistols. The folks on the Walther forum dislike the new .22 lr pistol because of the metal used. They feel like it is close to pot metal. All of my Walther's are stainless steel, and that is why I have not bought the .22 lr model, plus I already have too many guns that shoot .22 lr. I try and not be very judgemental, if you like a certain firearm buy it. I don't have to.
That's an understatement. Honestly, most folks on the Walther Forum have a disdainful attitude towards any PP Series pistol that wasn't manufactured by Walther themselves in the early-mid 1900s. Basically, anything that wasn't manufactured in the original Walther factory in Zella-Mehlis (Thuringia) is held in increasingly lesser regard, regardless of the fact that later French-made Manurhin PP Series pistols were of arguably higher quality, (objectively so when compared to the more roughly made wartime models) and that the American-Made Ranger/Interarms were still built to specifications.

Once you hit Smith & Wesson models, all bets are off, and opinions of inferiority abound to the point of gross exaggeration or in certain cases outright fabrication.
I recall an incident a few years ago in which upon repeatedly seeing the moderators direct new users who asked about S&W models to a thread dating back several years regarding the reliability of S&W PPKs, I actually took the time to read through the entire thread, counting individual reports, only to find that positive reports outnumbered the negative 2 to 1, with many of the negative reports being later addressed by S&W in subsequent posts. I then bumped the thread with a post revealing my findings, only to have the moderators promptly lock the thread and discontinued mentioning it to new users because it no longer fit their narrative. (Source: Please note your experience with your S&W-made PPK - WaltherForums)

The metal used in the construction of the modern (2013-presently manufactured) PPK/S .22 merely provided them with a convenient excuse to hate on them. They're equally if not more disdainful of the brand new Walther Arms manufactured PPK(/S) which is constructed from Stainless Steel, and they're only just coming out in limited quantities as we speak.
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The S&W PPK and PPKS pistols are not as pretty and the ZM and Ulm variants, but they are superior weapons given the S&W feed ramp. The S&W tang helps avoid slide/hammer bites and also, for me, aids in recoil management and follow-up shoots. Assuming recall fixs made, or post recall pistols, the performance of S&W walther pistols is outstanding.

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Here's the one 22 PPK/s I own. It was made in 1975.
I don't have that much focus on Walthers and their histories but I recall the Walther PPK/S .22 coming out just a couple of years ago - how did I miss 35 years of its production?

Seriously, I am stunned at learning this!

I bought this one just a couple of years ago and I thought it was WOWEE! I am glad they finally thought of that!



So, por favor, edumacate me.

That little .22 is delightful except (a) it had the second worst trigger I ever experienced in a handgun (I had it tinkered with; it's much better now) and (b) I got a lot of light strikes that needed a second trigger pull. It is in storage presently but after I get it home I'll see if it as I remember.

I actually admit that I prefer to shoot these (I have two - also stored away presently):



Also, I long ago got rid of every round of Remington Thunderbolt ammunition that I had, and it was a lot of bricks. TOO DIRTY ALL THE TIME!
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