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Old 06-03-2018, 11:32 AM
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After Walking out the door for a squirrel hunt, loaded the rifle( Henry 22 lever action) ...then propped it in a chair while I retrieved some forgotten weather gear.

While slipping on gear I bumped the chair....rifle slid down between the cushion and arm rest striking the concrete porch floor butt first.... bang!!!

I heard the bullet whistle as it passed my ear....
My Dad said that would've been an unsolved suicide...head shot with own rifle by himself.... and friends/family never had a clue.

I now know what half-cock is for.

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Glad you are ok. Probably a good idea to load it out in the field, just prior to the need for anti-squirrel defensive measures .

Should it have not fired when dropped (meaning it needs to go back to the factory for a recheck)?
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After Walking out the door for a squirrel hunt, loaded the rifle( Henry 22 lever action) ...then propped it in a chair while I retrieved somue forgotten weather gear.

While slipping on gear I bumped the chair....rifle slid down between the cushion and arm rest striking the concrete porch floor butt first.... bang!!!

I heard the bullet whistle as it passed my ear....
My Dad said that would've been an unsolved suicide...head shot with own rifle by himself.... and friends/family never had a clue.

I now know what half-cock is for.
No, that is what an empty chamber is for, never chamber a round until in the field or at the range.
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Loading in the field??? Dozen steps off the porch and I'm in the woods...
It was ignorant negligence at its best..
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22 shells have a propensity for going off on hard impact. I have had 22 rounds go off when accidently dropped on my tile kitchen floor. Are you sure that it was the gun and not the ammo?
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What position was the hammer in when you placed it in the chair?
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What a close call! Glad you are OK.
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Maybe it's the result of a small sample size, but every ND that I have had reason to investigate, in which the trigger was not pulled, happened exactly the same way.

Firearm with chambered round, and hammer at rest, falls muzzle first onto a hard surface, inertia causes the hammer to partially, but not fully or half cock, then hammer falls igniting round.

Guess pretty much the same physics butt first.

Yes, that is what half cock is for, esp. when moving in terrain after loading chamber and or firing.

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No, that is what an empty chamber is for, never chamber a round until in the field or at the range.
What if he had chambered in the field and set the gun down, and bumped it then.

Half cock in that case as well.
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This is one of the reasons I never liked lever action rifles for youngsters. levering live rounds into the chamber in order to unload the rifle.

The only ND I ever had was once when my brother and I were hunting deer. We came back near camp, and there was a pack of wild dogs in the yard. We fired several shots, me with a Winchester model 94. When we were done shooting, I had the muzzle of the rifle pointing skyward, when I closed the lever and apparently had my finger inside or along side the trigger. Fortunately the muzzle was pointed in the air. Scared the beegezzus out of me.
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Maybe it's the result of a small sample size, but every ND that I have had reason to investigate, in which the trigger was not pulled, happened exactly the same way.

Firearm with chambered round, and hammer at rest, falls muzzle first onto a hard surface, inertia causes the hammer to partially, but not fully or half cock, then hammer falls igniting round.

Guess pretty much the same physics butt first.

Yes, that is what half cock is for, esp. when moving in terrain after loading chamber and or firing.

Glad you are ok.
Exactly... hammer was resting on a live round.
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Loading in the field??? Dozen steps off the porch and I'm in the woods...
It was ignorant negligence at its best..
We are all people and prone to mistakes. You've supplied a lesson for us all and I'm glad no one was hurt.
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Loading in the field??? Dozen steps off the porch and I'm in the woods...
It was ignorant negligence at its best..
I guess the point is to wait until you're going to be holding the rifle before chambering the first round. This can be done as soon as your feet hit the ground at the bottom of the porch steps.

I'm glad you're OK. That was a really close call.

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This is one of the reasons I never liked lever action rifles for youngsters. levering live rounds into the chamber in order to unload the rifle.
Absolutely no reason to chamber a round to unload the gun. Open the lever (takes any live round out of the chamber) and then remove the magazine tube and dump the other rounds into your hand. Easy and safe.
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Yes, that is what half cock is for, esp. when moving in terrain after loading chamber and or firing.
I don't know about the .22 model, but my Henry Big Boy (.45Colt) doesn't have a half cock position.
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I guess the point is to wait until you're going to be holding the rifle before chambering the first round. This can be done as soon as your feet hit the ground at the bottom of the porch steps.

I'm glad you're OK. That was a really close call.
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It's good to know just WHAT can happen. I'd want to understand what went wrong. And I would talk to Henry. I wonder if it's a characteristic of ALL Henry rifles or all .22s or just your rifle.
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I don't know about the .22 model, but my Henry Big Boy (.45Colt) doesn't have a half cock position.
Mine is the smaller youth model 22... it does have a half-cock.
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We are all people and prone to mistakes. You've supplied a lesson for us all and I'm glad no one was hurt.
Off the topic of lever action rifles, but feel need to respond about ND. Glock pistols require you pull trigger to field strip for cleaning. We had an ND at the range (outdoor) during qualification when an officer forgot to check for live sound in chamber after removing magazine during cleaning. Fortunately no one was hurt. A negative about Glocks and one of requirements for military contract is you don't have that feature.
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After Walking out the door for a squirrel hunt, loaded the rifle( Henry 22 lever action) ...then propped it in a chair while I retrieved some forgotten weather gear.

While slipping on gear I bumped the chair....rifle slid down between the cushion and arm rest striking the concrete porch floor butt first.... bang!!!

I heard the bullet whistle as it passed my ear....
My Dad said that would've been an unsolved suicide...head shot with own rifle by himself.... and friends/family never had a clue.

I now know what half-cock is for.
Glad you are OK. EVEN the Half Cock feature should NOT be used when a firearm is left unattended - not even for a minute! Guns have been know to go off even when left in half cock! The only safe way is to open the lever and leave the Bolt opened. One should NEVER EVER leave a lever action rifle in the cocked position unless it is shouldered and ready to fire at a target. To me, half cock position is almost never used, unless I am just pausing for a second to scratch my nose or something before firing the shot.
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...and one of requirements for military contract is you don't have that feature.
Do you have experience with this or did you just hear it somewhere? I ask, because I know some military guys that have Glocks. It would seem their contracts don't meet that requirement. But I don't really know. Just know some guys that have Glocks.
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I guess the point is to wait until you're going to be holding the rifle before chambering the first round. This can be done as soon as your feet hit the ground at the bottom of the porch steps.

I'm glad you're OK. That was a really close call.

Absolutely no reason to chamber a round to unload the gun. Open the lever (takes any live round out of the chamber) and then remove the magazine tube and dump the other rounds into your hand. Easy and safe.
There is one more step. Replace the magazine tube and work the lever a few times, with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and your finger off of the trigger. Every now and then, a round will stick in the mag tube. Then eye ball the chamber as you close the action.
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My grandfather had a strict rule about NO firearm was ever loaded inside the house. We were taught you take the gun outside the "perimeter" fence around the farmhouse and then load it. When returning from a hunt though the woods the guns were unloaded outside that fence, while paying attention where the muzzle was pointed.
A violation of his rules had quick severe and repercussions, involving the loss of hide from the backside and suspension of hunting privileges.
He did keep a double barrel 12 gauge by his bed, but the chambers were empty and a couple of rounds of buckshot close by. His rule about any of the kids touching the shotgun or the ammo had similar repercussions to his other rules. None his rules on firearms were subject to discussion. He was honest and fair but our mistakes were quickly dealt with. Advocates of modern rules for raising children wouldn't have received much support from him.
I can honestly say I have never had an accidental discharge so far, he taught us well.
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I keep my lever actions loaded with one in the chamber with the hammer down. Safe next to the bed.
Never had a problem. Just like sitting in a deer stand or walking.
You can check out a deer, then cock it if you want to shoot.
I have Marlins and Winchesters.
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This is one of the reasons I never liked lever action rifles for youngsters. levering live rounds into the chamber in order to unload the rifle.
The Henry lever action 22 is tube fed. you turn the tube half turn then pull out and dump the rounds in your hand or on the ground, you then pull the lever down to clear the chamber. It's very safe as long as the hammer is in the 1/4 cock position. Which brings me to this...

I have a Henry lever action 22 rifle. there are two ways you can have a ND.

Rifle is loaded with either the hammer in full cock (hammer all the way back) or rifle was loaded with the hammer all the way down. The hammer has a 1/4 safety. meaning that you cock the hammer back 1/8" and it will "click" in place preventing the hammer from contacting the firing pin. If the hammer was all the way down, or all the way back in the fire position, if the rifle falls & hits sharp enough, a round can go off in this model. More than likely the OP loaded the rifle, cocked the lever to chamber a round then sat it down forgetting to lower the hammer down to the 1/4 cock position.

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I keep my lever actions loaded with one in the chamber with the hammer down. Safe next to the bed.
Never had a problem. Just like sitting in a deer stand or walking.
You can check out a deer, then cock it if you want to shoot.
I have Marlins and Winchesters.
This is the same condition I thought was safe... years of use and thousands of rounds without a problem. Maybe Marlins and Winchesters are drop safe...my only experience is dropping the Henry ONE time, with the hammer resting on a chambered round.
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I've been wondering if these Henrys have a hammer-block safety?

With the hammer down on a live round, if one was dropped on the butt could the inertia cause the hammer to rotate away from the firing pin far enough to then spring back with enough force to fire?

I also wonder if it would it be possible to drop one on its muzzle and have the inertia cause the firing pin to move forward sharply enough to set off a round?

I know it doesn't take much of an impact to fire some rimfire ammo.
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Do you have experience with this or did you just hear it somewhere? I ask, because I know some military guys that have Glocks. It would seem their contracts don't meet that requirement. But I don't really know. Just know some guys that have Glocks.
Maybe that's why SIG got the contract?
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Maybe that's why SIG got the contract?
I recall reading it somewhere when the testing was being done for the " modular" pistol contract. I believe the specs always required an external safety. I am sure the information can be found on lime. Will look it up when I get a chance.
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Off the topic of lever action rifles, but feel need to respond about ND. Glock pistols require you pull trigger to field strip for cleaning. We had an ND at the range (outdoor) during qualification when an officer forgot to check for live sound in chamber after removing magazine during cleaning. Fortunately no one was hurt. A negative about Glocks and one of requirements for military contract is you don't have that feature.

The Shield has a disconnect, but you have to have a light and a pointy something to reach it and turn it down. There's always the 'pull the trigger' method, but that negates having the safety.
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With the hammer down on a live round, if one was dropped on the butt could the inertia cause the hammer to rotate away from the firing pin far enough to then spring back with enough force to fire? .
Spot On!! That's exactly what happened...take it at honest face value!
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I don't know about the .22 model, but my Henry Big Boy (.45Colt) doesn't have a half cock position.
Exactly! I need some enlightenment here. I was under the impression that Henrys have rebounding hammers. Is this impression not completely true?
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Exactly! I need some enlightenment here. I was under the impression that Henrys have rebounding hammers. Is this impression not completely true?
See post #17.
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So does the Henry not have a floating firing pin like most modern hammer fired rifles. Will a blow to the hammer if it is down, cause the gun to go off like and old Colt SAA revolver? I've been thinking about buying a Henry .22 lever gun.
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So does the Henry not have a floating firing pin like most modern hammer fired rifles. Will a blow to the hammer if it is down, cause the gun to go off like and old Colt SAA revolver? I've been thinking about buying a Henry .22 lever gun.
Again, I can't speak to the .22, but the center-fire Big Boy does have a safety built into the hammer.

The hammer has a slot built into it. The trigger is attached to a bar. When the trigger is pulled and held to the rear, a bar moves up to fill in the slot and strike the firing pin. If the trigger is not held to the rear, i.e. the hammer falls on its own for any reason, the slot in the hammer will prevent the hammer from striking the pin.

Further, the pin is indeed a floating pin. If the chamber is empty, the firing pin is forward. In other words, it does not protrude past the back of the bolt. So, the gun may be dry fired without snap caps or concern of damage because the hammer will strike the rear of the bolt and not the firing pin.

If you need it, I will try to post some pics tomorrow.
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Everybody has woulda-coulda-shoulda advice; even the OP. I'm just glad you did not get that bullet in your body somewhere and nobody else got hurt. Lesson learned I'm sure! Misswired, you gave us all, young and old, good safety reminder. God was with you. And thank you for posting the incident. We all need a touch-up now & then! Peace! Jeff T., Pgh PA
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So does the Henry not have a floating firing pin like most modern hammer fired rifles. Will a blow to the hammer if it is down, cause the gun to go off like and old Colt SAA revolver? I've been thinking about buying a Henry .22 lever gun.
Mine is the lever action 22 youth model... I've documented my experience.... Thanks!
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A big box store in my area was having a killer deal on those Henry .22 lever action rifles a few months ago. I picked up a youth model, exactly the model you have described. I appreciate you sticking your neck out for the PSA-style reminder. The only other lever rifle I have experience with had a modern, non-traditional cross-bolt safety, so I have to consciously remind myself to check that the hammer is in the half-cock position as per the instructions and your advice (one can see where the serrations stop on the hammer with it in this position). Your story leaves such a strong visual in my mind that I know I'm now much more likely to remember to use the half-cock position for the hammer or, better yet, open the bolt until I'm ready to shoot. Thanks!
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