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Old 06-04-2018, 12:45 PM
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One of my friends just bought a brand new Ruger Mark IV and we rode out to the Range last Friday to shoot it - among other stuff.

I will commend Ruger for their newly redesigned pistol that takes down very easily. Push one button and it comes apart. The older design was a p.i.t.a. to say the least! The fit and finish was OK and accuracy was acceptable - although not terrific (might improve with a descent trigger though).

The only real objection that I have with the $450.00 Pistol was the absolutely horrendous Trigger. The pull weight was upwards of 7+ pounds and had much creep! He said he was going to order a Volquartsen Trigger for it ($100 bucks) which should remedy that to about 2.5 pounds according to their advertising.

I know all about liability and price points of this Pistol, I just don't get how Ruger has the guts to label this a "Target" model with such a bad trigger!

Anyway, even with the cost of the Volquartsen trigger replacement the total cost will be about $550 which if it does what they say it will, is still within reason. So unless he just got a "bad one" Ruger has still not really addressed their horrible triggers. I do think they did a great job on the take down though!

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Old 06-04-2018, 01:10 PM
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I'd like to have one but the $700+ price of the model I want is more than I paid for the 3 MKII's I have. I can wait + I can take MK I, II's apart and put it together in 2 minutes. The "dangle angle" of the hammer stirrup is the usual cause of suicidal/homicidal ideation. Joe
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:23 PM
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One of my friends just bought a brand new Ruger Mark IV and we rode out to the Range last Friday to shoot it - among other stuff.



I will commend Ruger for their newly redesigned pistol that takes down very easily. Push one button and it comes apart. The older design was a p.i.t.a. to say the least! The fit and finish was OK and accuracy was acceptable - although not terrific (might improve with a descent trigger though).



The only real objection that I have with the $450.00 Pistol was the absolutely horrendous Trigger. The pull weight was upwards of 7+ pounds and had much creep! He said he was going to order a Volquartsen Trigger for it ($100 bucks) which should remedy that to about 2.5 pounds according to their advertising.



I know all about liability and price points of this Pistol, I just don't get how Ruger has the guts to label this a "Target" model with such a bad trigger!



Anyway, even with the cost of the Volquartsen trigger replacement the total cost will be about $550 which if it does what they say it will, is still within reason. So unless he just got a "bad one" Ruger has still not really addressed their horrible triggers. I do think they did a great job on the take down though!


If it pulls 7 lbs I would send it back. I think they are typically around 4 lbs. My brother has a MK IV Hunter and I thought the trigger was decent on it.


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I have a Ruger MKIV 22/45. Wonderful pistol. Desperately needed the Volq trigger. Made all the difference in the world!

Now, my favorite.22, and I’ve got plenty!

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Old 06-04-2018, 04:50 PM
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I have shot -MANY- Ruger pistols from the Standard and through all Mark I, II and III. I have not dealt with a Mark IV.

I can say with all the confidence I can muster, backed with decades of hands-on, the design is fantastic but there is a pinnacle and that pinnacle is easily and very clearly the Mark II.

The Mark II is better than all of the others. I can only find one small blip about the Mark II that some would take issue with and that is the heel magazine release (although the 22/45 Mk II does use a button)

If you choose any pistols from the 1949 original through a Mark IV made last week, you aren't getting the best if you didn't get a Mark II.

If you are a tortured soul that can't handle the take-down and reassembly then a $60 Majestic Arms "easy take down" kit is money much, MUCH better spent than is chasing down the new Mark IV unless you want an inferior pistol.

Heh, any of the Ruger Mark pistols are better than the S&W Victory though. And if it were me or someone I cared about, a clean USED Mark II is a better buy for the same money than any Standard, Mark I, Mark III or Mark IV in any condition, including new.
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My MK IV just came home from Majestic Arms with "the works" and it is amazing. Although I had already had the barrel threaded, Dino was still able to put the 11degree re-crown treatment on it and the trigger defies description. I had not had any issues with my MK IV Target, but visiting with Dino at the NRAAM led to my pistol making a round trip to Staten Island.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:02 PM
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UPDATE:

Today my buddy brought his Ruger Mk IV pistol to my house after installing the drop in Volquartsen parts (received them in 2 days) and I measured the pull with my RCBS trigger scale. It is now a light, crisp 1 3/4 pounds. What a HUGE difference. Can't wait to see how it shoots now.
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If it pulls 7 lbs I would send it back. I think they are typically around 4 lbs. My brother has a MK IV Hunter and I thought the trigger was decent on it.


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Didn't really matter since he was intending on installing a Volquartsen kit anyway. Weather it came at 7 pounds or 5 pounds - still lousy for a target Pistol! IMHO a .22 "Target Pistol" should be 1 3/4 - 2 1/4 pounds. That's just my personal opinion and YMMV.
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My Browning Buck mark has a nice crisp 4 lb trigger and the Ruger 22/45 I bought a few years ago had a nice 5lb trigger but 3-1/2 to 4 pounds should be the max for a .22 target pistol or it takes the utility and the fun away.
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Today my buddy brought his Ruger Mk IV pistol to my house after installing the drop in Volquartsen parts (received them in 2 days) and I measured the pull with my RCBS trigger scale. It is now a light, crisp 1 3/4 pounds. What a HUGE difference. Can't wait to see how it shoots now.
Wow, that's very good. In the "old days" I could get 2.3-2.5# out of any MK I/II/III pistol with just a $25 sear (and $10 bushing change if MK III). Even after the full boat $120 Volquartsen kit, both my mark IV's are currently stalled at about 3.2#. I suspect tolerance issues in these early production MK IV's is the cause. In any case,
Volquartzen is a great operation to deal with!

p.s. These was likely something up with that gun if it had a 7# factory trigger. I handle new ones in the shop every week. Most run around 4.5-5# ( with some moderate creep) out of the box.
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My Browning Buck mark has a nice crisp 4 lb trigger and the Ruger 22/45 I bought a few years ago had a nice 5lb trigger but 3-1/2 to 4 pounds should be the max for a .22 target pistol or it takes the utility and the fun away.
Buckmarks have always been known for "best in class" out of the box triggers. Mine have them for certain.
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Triggers on all of them seem to be the weak spot. The word for them I use is GRITTY. PITA to take down??? NOT once you learn how! YES it could be better (Sigs they aint), but there is the easy/inexpensive aftermarket fix mentioned above. That said my current one is a MKll 4" target, wish I kept the gubmint model. Life's too short for "adequate" & "acceptable".

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I’m also looking on adding ruger to my collection
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KMK-512 for me. Mine is 1994 vintage.
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Triggers on all of them seem to be the weak spot. The word for them I use is GRITTY. PITA to take down??? NOT once you learn how! YES it could be better (Sigs they aint), but there is the easy/inexpensive aftermarket fix mentioned above. That said my current one is a MKll 4" target, wish I kept the gubmint model. Life's too short for "adequate" & "acceptable".
Take down on the pre MKIV's isn't all that bad once you learn that you need to understand where the hammer and strut are during all aspects of reassembly. Once you can envision this, the rest of it falls into place.
THe MK IV system does make it a mindless venture though.

Since we keep talking pre-MKIV pistols.... I'll confess that while I like the improvements made in the oversized controls , mag ejection and field stripping of the MK IV, ( as well as the loss of that hideous LCI in the MK III) the MK II will always be my favorite.
Here is one of my favorite MK II's wearing a (somewhat rare) Tru-Glo rib. It's a sweetheart! :-)

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If you want to keep it stock, best out of the box in the price range is the Buckmark. If you want to put a bunch of time and money in and troubleshoot it into running reliable, MK series Ruger. I like both.




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My Mark IV came with a 5 3/4 pound trigger and always felt like I was pulling through the safety to fire the gun.

I upgraded it with the Volquartsen Trigger Kit and added a Tandemkross Victory Triggger.

My trigger pull is now 1 3/4 pounds. I love shooting this gun.

It's been modified more since them including a VQ LLV 6 barrel and compensator. My favorite .22.
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Reading all the complaints about the Ruger Mark triggers amazes me. I own seven semi-autos, and my 1974 Ruger Standard has by far the best trigger. I estimate it's about 3 to 3.5 lbs., it has a very short pull, and it's smooth as silk. I have to wonder what Ruger did to degrade the triggers in the subsequent Mark series. They had a good thing going, so why the backwards step?
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Wow, that's very good. In the "old days" I could get 2.3-2.5# out of any MK I/II/III pistol with just a $25 sear (and $10 bushing change if MK III). Even after the full boat $120 Volquartsen kit, both my mark IV's are currently stalled at about 3.2#. I suspect tolerance issues in these early production MK IV's is the cause. In any case,
Volquartzen is a great operation to deal with!

p.s. These was likely something up with that gun if it had a 7# factory trigger. I handle new ones in the shop every week. Most run around 4.5-5# ( with some moderate creep) out of the box.
Could just be the luck of the draw! I did take note that the new Volquartsen spring was straight, not slightly bent like the original, therefore producing less force on the Sear. That is more than likely the reason for such a light pull - but it passed the smack test while cocked and all functions correctly.
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ONE INTERESTING NOTE:

I could NEVER own one of these Mark IV's for the simply reason that the Ambi. (right side) Safety keeps being pushed on Safe by my hand when griping the pistol. I am a Righty. My Buddy is a Lefty and so he seems not to have the same problem with the main Safety on the left side. This happened almost every time I operated the Pistol and was quite annoying to me - thankfully he has no problem with it.

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I could NEVER own one of these Mark IV's for the simply reason that the Ambi. (right side) Safety keeps being pushed on Safe by my hand when griping the pistol. I am a Righty. My Buddy is a Lefty and so he seems not to have the same problem with the main Safety on the left side. This happened almost every time I operated the Pistol and was quite annoying to me - thankfully he has no problem with it.

I've heard similar complaints. I guess Ruger has too. I believe the right side safety lever can now be removed. I just noticed the other day that new production MK IV's come with a bushing/spacer to replace it.
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My Mark IV came with a 5 3/4 pound trigger and always felt like I was pulling through the safety to fire the gun.

I upgraded it with the Volquartsen Trigger Kit and added a Tandemkross Victory Triggger.

My trigger pull is now 1 3/4 pounds. I love shooting this gun.

It's been modified more since them including a VQ LLV 6 barrel and compensator. My favorite .22.
So the only thing left of the Ruger is the frame and the bolt?...... :-)
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So the only thing left of the Ruger is the frame and the bolt?...... :-)
Nope, his bolt is gone as well now. Replaced with a high end VQ bolt. Which is no different than building up a 10-22 from the receiver. In the end, he's built himself quite a remarkable rimfire pistol that the masses won't really understand, but to a specific group is a thing of beauty. Its not for everyone, but I dig it myself.

Would I trade my Volquartsenized MKIV for a S&W 41? Only if I were going to build up another one later.
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Another Mark II fan, 5 in target with aftermarket rear sight. Think it is a Bowen adj rear sight, which they don't appear to offer anymore?

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I have the same model with a 2.5 lb. trigger pull right out of the box!
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I've heard similar complaints. I guess Ruger has too. I believe the right side safety lever can now be removed. I just noticed the other day that new production MK IV's come with a bushing/spacer to replace it.
I can confirm. Just bought my son a MIV Hunter and it includes these parts. Have not shot it yet, but boy is it sweet in the hand.
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I will commend Ruger for their newly redesigned pistol that takes down very easily. Push one button and it comes apart. The older design was a p.i.t.a. to say the least!

The only real objection that I have with the $450.00 Pistol was the absolutely horrendous Trigger. The pull weight was upwards of 7+ pounds and had much creep!

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I'd like to have one but the $700+ price of the model I want is more than I paid for the 3 MKII's I have. I can wait + I can take MK I, II's apart and put it together in 2 minutes. The "dangle angle" of the hammer stirrup is the usual cause of suicidal/homicidal ideation. Joe
Like pharmer says, a little practice and the MKI and MKII are simple to take down and reassemble....

As to the trigger, take it apart and stone the sear and hammer and trigger pull will amaze...
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......As to the trigger, take it apart and stone the sear and hammer and trigger pull will amaze...
That's above my level of expertise. Triggers have some creep but break @ around 4# on the 2 "target" models. The standard is still new for some reason and it ain't because I shoot adjustable sights better. Joe
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The trigger on mine was a bit rough and the overtravel was way excessive. The first problem was solved by snapping it in a lot; it smoothed out from natural wear. The second problem was solved by installing a trigger shoe, adjusted so that it hit the frame above the trigger just a tad after letoff. It's now a sweet trigger setup for minimum expense.

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What are the differences between the mark II and III ?

And what is the hideous LCI in the mark III ?

Iíve always wanted one, with a bull barrel. There are currently two for sale in my area (Switzerland)

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Mark III added a button magazine release instead of European-style heel magazine release. Also added a magazine disconnect safety and the LCI (loaded chamber indicator) and these last two items are so horrendous that in my opinion, they should both be stricken from the history of existence as items to add to a legendary rimfire target gun.

I will be more than happy to debate enthusiastically my position on these... besides mucking up a fantastic pistol, these two features actually promote poor gun handling practices. Yes, I said it, and I believe it to my core.
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Between those two, the Mark II easily and the race isn't close.
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What are the differences between the mark II and III ?

And what is the hideous LCI in the mark III ?

I’ve always wanted one, with a bull barrel. There are currently two for sale in my area (Switzerland)


And a stainless mark II target with threaded barrel for 650


I really like my MKII.. but wouldn't pay the extra for the threaded barrel, but you may be interested if you can buy silencers..

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In fact I already have a .22 lr silencer

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Iím also looking on adding ruger to my collection
Havenít made up my mind which one in particular
Soon after the M4 release some mark 3's and a couple 2's came into the LGS haunts at what I thought were decent prices (2 to 300$)...I'm still butt chaffed over not buying a like new M2 for 250$...
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Son got one for his wife, she liked it better before he put a dot on it so now he's pretty much the user. She likes his AR-9 so I guess it all works out.
I was a little shocked at how much he laid out for it but I haven't been keeping up with pricing for years.
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Thanks Chief-I think I'll keep my Mk II-(I would have any way).
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Mark III added a button magazine release instead of European-style heel magazine release. Also added a magazine disconnect safety and the LCI (loaded chamber indicator) and these last two items are so horrendous that in my opinion, they should both be stricken from the history of existence as items to add to a legendary rimfire target gun.

I will be more than happy to debate enthusiastically my position on these... besides mucking up a fantastic pistol, these two features actually promote poor gun handling practices. Yes, I said it, and I believe it to my core.


Can the magazine disconnect safety be removed, like on a Browning HP ? And where is the LCI situated ?
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One of my friends just bought a brand new Ruger Mark IV and we rode out to the Range last Friday to shoot it - among other stuff.

I will commend Ruger for their newly redesigned pistol that takes down very easily. Push one button and it comes apart. The older design was a p.i.t.a. to say the least! The fit and finish was OK and accuracy was acceptable - although not terrific (might improve with a descent trigger though).

The only real objection that I have with the $450.00 Pistol was the absolutely horrendous Trigger. The pull weight was upwards of 7+ pounds and had much creep! He said he was going to order a Volquartsen Trigger for it ($100 bucks) which should remedy that to about 2.5 pounds according to their advertising.

I know all about liability and price points of this Pistol, I just don't get how Ruger has the guts to label this a "Target" model with such a bad trigger!

Anyway, even with the cost of the Volquartsen trigger replacement the total cost will be about $550 which if it does what they say it will, is still within reason. So unless he just got a "bad one" Ruger has still not really addressed their horrible triggers. I do think they did a great job on the take down though!

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I MAINTAINED AN AVE IN THE LOW 290s, FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES, WITH A RUGER MK II, GOVERNMENT TARGET MODEL. IT WAS STUFFED FULL OF VOLQUARTSEN PARTS, EQUIPPED WITH AN AIMPOINT, AND WAS COMPETITIVE WITH ANY GUN IN THE BULLSEYE PISTOL LEAGUE......

I'M CERTAIN, THAT WITH A LITTLE INVESTMENT, AND BREAKING IN, THIS NEW RUGER WILL BE A WINNER........
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I must be the luckiest guy with guns. Bought the wife a target Mark III and we both love the gun. Of course I do not bother measuring the triggers on any of our guns. Just load them shoot, and smile. The accuracy on hers is good enough to pop snakes in the middle of the head at 7 yards.

As far as take down it is a breeze as long as you follow the manual.
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I have shot -MANY- Ruger pistols from the Standard and through all Mark I, II and III. I have not dealt with a Mark IV.

I can say with all the confidence I can muster, backed with decades of hands-on, the design is fantastic but there is a pinnacle and that pinnacle is easily and very clearly the Mark II.

The Mark II is better than all of the others. I can only find one small blip about the Mark II that some would take issue with and that is the heel magazine release (although the 22/45 Mk II does use a button)

If you choose any pistols from the 1949 original through a Mark IV made last week, you aren't getting the best if you didn't get a Mark II.

If you are a tortured soul that can't handle the take-down and reassembly then a $60 Majestic Arms "easy take down" kit is money much, MUCH better spent than is chasing down the new Mark IV unless you want an inferior pistol.

Heh, any of the Ruger Mark pistols are better than the S&W Victory though. And if it were me or someone I cared about, a clean USED Mark II is a better buy for the same money than any Standard, Mark I, Mark III or Mark IV in any condition, including new.
I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU, Sevens......

IMHO, THE MK II GOVERNMENT TARGET MODEL, STUFFED WITH VOLQUARTSEN PARTS, AND A QUALITY OPTIC, IS COMPETITIVE WITH ANY OTHER .22 CAL SEMI-AUTO ON THE LINE, REGARDLESS OF COST ! ! !

THE MAJESTIC TAKE DOWN KIT IS A REAL GAME CHANGER, FOR A MODEST INVESTMENT. IT TURNS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE INTO A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE, RATHER THAN THE PITA, THAT IT USED TO BE.......
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Mark III added a button magazine release instead of European-style heel magazine release. Also added a magazine disconnect safety and the LCI (loaded chamber indicator) and these last two items are so horrendous that in my opinion, they should both be stricken from the history of existence as items to add to a legendary rimfire target gun.

I will be more than happy to debate enthusiastically my position on these... besides mucking up a fantastic pistol, these two features actually promote poor gun handling practices. Yes, I said it, and I believe it to my core.
I share your sentiments in the MK III series. ( Enough so that I keep MK 1, II and IV's but no III''s.) In fairness though, the best thing about the MK III IMHO was that it added the drill and tap /rail feature across all variants. This is petty useful to those many folks wanting to add optics.
Oddly, the MKIV, while still drilled and tapped, omitted the inclusion of the rail so it must now be purchased separately.
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Here's mine with the Volquartsen trigger Vortex venom sight and Tandemcross charging handle. I agree they could have put a better trigger from the factory but nobody puts triggers that are up to target shooting standards unless its a custom gun. That being said the Volquartsen trigger was the best $120 I've ever spent
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The best trigger I own is on my Colt Woodsman. I don't know how many pounds it is, but holy heck is the break clean and crisp. Ditto for the reset. And this from a gun that I paid about $250 for.

My Ed Brown 1911 is a close second place ... and for what I spent on it, I expect a competition-grade trigger.

I have an early Ruger Standard that also has an excellent trigger. And it's funny ... I've never found the takedown and reassembly to be all that bad with it. I just follow the instructions and use a liberal dose of patience, as I do with all of my guns. :-)

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The magazine disconnect connect safety is nothing like on a Browning Hi-Power (absolutely nothing is! ) but yes, it can be removed.

The LCI is situated right along the left side of the receiver and can also be removed, which leaves a gaping hole. I believe that some aftermarket company sells a "filler."

Excellent point by Wee Hooker about the much easier ability to add optics as a genuine upgrade to the Mark III series over the Mk II. I constantly forget about this because I am particularly averse to optics on handguns. Just my personal preference and as I get older and my eyesight erodes, I will resist as well as I can!
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I'd certainly have to agree with that. Ruger did an outstanding job on this model. The only thing I did to mine was add a trigger shoe, positioned to act as an overtravel stop for the trigger. The trigger pull itself was quite smooth and crisp. In my opinion, the Mark II was just fine as made - the Mark III just mucked it up with too many lawyer-inspired doo-dads,making the takedown procedure screwy enough to drive you nutz. The Mark IV got rid of the stupid loaded chamber indicator, and the takedown sequence is now quite sane.

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Actually, the best trigger on any .22 target pistol I own is on the first one I ever owned. I bought this Ruger Mark I in 1965; it cost me $85.00 retail, brand new. First, I polished the sear to be glass smooth. Then, although there was an internal overtravel adjustment, it was too difficult to adjust. I had the machine shop at the company I worked with drill and tap the trigger guard for an external adjustment. The net result was a very smooth and light let off, with the trigger stopping right after release. I shot this gun competitively for many years. It was very accurate.

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This MKIII is a wonderful shooter; 10 years old with MANY thousands rounds of fun. Years ago I polished the sear and hammer notch and the trigger pull is crisp, light, and breaks like glass. The advantage ( huge for me) over the earlier MKs is the location of the mag. release button. As far as the LCI and Mag."cut-off" safety, a few Tandemkross and Volquartsen parts and an hour remedied those issues.

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