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While I was there to pickup the pre 17 I found this & decided she couldnít be left there. Iíve wanted a 338 so why both this one. I can see some beautiful wood on it if I decide to. I believe it dates to 1960

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I think you did well on that one. Not a collector anymore with the stock and pad. At that price I would have taken it home.
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That’s what I figured also. Still a pre 64 Model 70 in 338. I wish it could talk.

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You have no idea what you just purchased. 25 inch cut rifle barrel. I have one from I believe 1959. I have had 40-50 factory rifles in the past 55 years of playing with center fire rifles. My 338 is the most accurate factory rifle I have ever owned. Almost bench rest quality and definite custom accuracy quality accuracy. 0.3 groups at 100. Some 300 yard groups around one inch, that 1 moa at 300 yards. This is the cream of the crop to me and you picked it up very reasonable because the new generation has to have something else. They are heavy, but its made out of steel and walnut for the era of pride in hand fitting, just like these five screw S&W's from the 1950's. Check the back of the stock at the tang, a lot of the magnum pre 64's have split stocks that I have observed. I had to restock mine. You found a jewel in my book. worth 2-3 times what you paid for it. Take it hunting, they love to be out in the woods and mountains. Builds stable relationship if you carry them in the outdoors, you will fall in love with this old gal, even if she has a few age marks.
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At that price it would have come home with me also! You could almost double your money for just the barreled action.
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Classic elk rifle. I would take it to Colorado this fall with me.
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Great price for sure! The bluing looks great which is what I miss the most on many guns these days. Sure does me good to see pics like this of good ole bluing and walnut. Thanks for sharing with us.
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That’s a fairly rare gun as pre-64 Model 70s go. 338 Win Mag was introduced in 1958 in the Model 70 Alaskan, so the window for mfg is only 6-7 years. Great cartridge in a great, collectible rifle.
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Pre 64- Win 70, is the rifle all others are judged by. The cartridge
makes no difference. I've owned many of them and they are
custom grade rifles compared to today's rifles. The 300H&H
338 & 375 H&H are 3 of most desirable cals. I have managed to
hold onto the only one that I bought new, a 70fw in 308 that
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snuff was the 264s. I had two in a row when I was a teenager.
I didn't load for them and accuracy was disappointing. Later I
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LittleConner I like the way you think. Actually it looks like it’s a 1959 rifle from the research I have done now. I knew that caliber was later to the game in M70’s & not often seen. It’s the only caliber I would add to my collection & fill a gap between my 300 RUM - 375 H&H for bolt guns. Trigger felt really good also. I don’t mind the wood diamond inlay, my M71 from Patrick Grashorn has it also & they were both very well done. I wish it could talk.

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LittleConner I like the way you think. Actually it looks like itís a 1959 rifle from the research I have done now. I knew that caliber was later to the game in M70ís & not often seen. Itís the only caliber I would add to my collection & fill a gap between my 300 RUM - 375 H&H for bolt guns. Trigger felt really good also. I donít mind the wood diamond inlay, my M71 from Patrick Grashorn has it also & they were both very well done. I wish it could talk.

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I’m wondering if that old recoil pad is original the more I look at the photos. Looks like the red pad Winchester used to me. It’s seen better days either way & was stored on its pad. The old square end on the scope reminds me of a scope my grandpa has had for years that’s now on a 243 of his. Like looking at a tv from years ago. It’s a Weaver scope & rings. Didn’t see a serial number on the scope.

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Iím wondering if that old recoil pad is original the more I look at the photos. Looks like the red pad Winchester used to me. Itís seen better days either way & was stored on its pad. The old square end on the scope reminds me of a scope my grandpa has had for years thatís now on a 243 of his. Like looking at a tv from years ago. Itís a Weaver scope & rings. Didnít see a serial number on the scope.

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I think Weaver called those the "Wide View" scopes, probably 1970's. Others will correct me if I am wrong about that.
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Doing additional reading so please correct me here. I believe this is an Alaskan Model 70 correct. I was assuming it was a standard Model 70, but I'm seeing repeated sources saying all 338's were Alaskan's.

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Doing additional reading so please correct me here. I believe this is an Alaskan Model 70 correct. I was assuming it was a standard Model 70, but I'm seeing repeated sources saying all 338's were Alaskan's.

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And all .458's were Africans. The .264's were dubbed Westerner.
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Very good deal IMO. I also would have snagged it at that price and the .338 caliber. I had one in 375 H&H. I wish I still did. They are such well made guns.
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A good deal if the barrel isn't pitted/shot out. If it is the action is worth about 3-4 hundred.
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The barrel looked good from what I could see. The tab to pull the bolt out was sticky/hard to push & wouldn't let the bolt come out. Felt like it was gummed up with old dirt & oil. I didn't find any rust anywhere on the metal surface's.

The scope was clear, though not the brightest. I suppose that should be expected. I think I would replace the scope before hunting with it.

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My Pre64 Alaskan 338 and my 264 Win Mag Westerner were and are some of the most accurate rifles I own and have shot. Sold the 338 about fifteen years ago for a bit over a grand. Still have my 264, 243 FW and my 06 FW. alll three are just shooter grade..
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I’m planning on using Federal 250 grain Nosler Partitions for it. I like heavy for caliber bullet weights.

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I bought mine NIB in 1973 for $350. I hunted elk with it for more than 20 years and many elk. It shoots MOA at 200 easily. You have a good one.


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I used to hand load and shoot the 275 grn Speer...Never shot anything but paper with it...Couple of heart attacks put me down for big game hunting..
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Being a Gunners Mate in Okie in '66...............
I was able to buy several "Pre" Winchesters in many calibers and have them shipped back with all the "Regular issue" weapons, back to the good old USA, West coast, home base.

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I just realized this has added another rifle to the que of ones that need to be hunted with. Probably #3 in the que behind my M71, then a Remington M798 in 375 H&H, then this M70. Might need to swap the 375 to #3 the more I think of it.

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Took a closer look at the scope & its a K4-W. A bit of surface rust on the scope. Since I took a closer look I have been debating about having it refurbished or just pull it off & leave it alone since I will put something else on the gun anyway

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Congratulations on the rifle and triples on the price. Keep the scope for nostalgia, but get a new one for shooting.

.338 was always a favorite caliber for me. I suspect that I have had at least eight or ten, two of which were .338-06. Two of my favorites were a Safari Grade Sako (too heavy) and a Blaser (a little light). My experiences with the magnums led me to the '06 version. I hunted with a rebored BAR exclusive for five or six years. The pre '64 model 70 always seemed to evade me.

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I can freely admit I feel like I got lucky on this one

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Very nice gun!!! I just sold a 1954 in 270. Love the days of good walnut, deep bluing, and proper fit. Dull blued metal ( acceptable only in a Model 28), plastic, tactical, laminated stocks etc. just do not do it for me. Personally I do not own a rifle newer than 1977. My current purchase will be on its' way soon, made in 1942
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Beautiful gun, fantastic price. I have a 1961 vintage Westerner that goes Elk hunting every year and Antelope hunting when I draw a tag. Never owned a .338 Win Mag, but I have had a few .340 Weatherby's. My current .340 is a Mountain Eagle I bought in 1995. It shoots as good as the .264. On other words sub MOA with My handloads. You will love the accuracy of that great gun. The only reason I don't have a pre 64 .338 is I have never found one I can afford.
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Got her opened up today & as suspected the glass bedding attempt by the prior owner was horrifically done. Gunsmith friend is going to fix her all up. Under side metal is in good shape.

I might invest in another stock so I'll take the original one hunting since it's originality is gone because of the wooden diamonds. Then have a second stock with nice wood.

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Cory,
That's a good'n I like 338s too…….


I picked up a pre-64 Alaskan-Western in 300 Win.Mag. several years ago,
for about that same price. Put it in some new wood.




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Kieth44spl,

That’s pretty wood. What kind & where do you get it. I’ve looked online at Boyd’s & Macon Gun Stocks. Can’t decide how nice I would go for a 2nd stock. Need to put a quality scope on it first though.

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Cory,
That piece of wood came from Reinhart Fajen, back in the old days.
I just called them up one day, told the feller that I was working on
a purty nice like new model 70. Thought I could afford a semi-inletted
90% shaped AA American walnut.

The gentleman told me my rifle ought to have a pretty good piece of
wood to dress it up. What I received a few weeks later was a dandy piece of AAA walnut.

Got it glassed in, finished & checkered, add some Pachmayr flush fit sling
hardware and have used it to chase the elk many times.
I've got a pair of those quick detach scope rings...
Never know when I might need those open sights.

I like the straighter 'sporter' style stocks as opposed to
the 'monte carlo' on those stiff recoiling rifles.
Seems to recoil straight back more, less pivoting upward, whackin me on the jaw.

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Thanks I’ll keep looking. Yours a great amount of color in it. I’ll use it as an example of what I’m looking for.

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My only pre-64 M-70 is a .300 H&H with a pretty plain piece of original wood, period correct for M-70's of the 1950's. It wears a straight tube B&L Balvar optic in those funky external adjustment mounts. It's a plain looking piece, but will make little clover leaves with modern ammunition. It was once run over in a muddy field by a four-wheeler without shifting zero. Not bad for a 65 year old plain jane rifle. It belonged to an African PH, and I can't imagine upgrading its wood or refinishing its scars. A classic. I just wish it could talk.
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I sold all my BA magnum rifles. The only one I miss is the 375
H&H. I don't know why, I have no use for it any more- just feel
naked without it. The standard cal pre 64s are actually dropping
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I’ll save up for a Leupold scope before I go for fancy wood. But I really do want some fancy wood for this rifle.

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Brobabley the at the time the finest factory made rifles for hunting big game, small game and target shooting. I had at least three 30-06 match rifles as done up by the factory all were pre'64's. My accuracy load with 55.5 grains of IMR 4350, 168 Sierra Matchking and a CCI large rifle magnum primer in Remington cases. That load plus or minus 1 grain gave excellent accuracy. Those rifles were all in 30-06 caliber. I also had a 1949 standard model and that one with the same ingredients except for a 165 Nosler ballistic tip also shot very well. My Sako 75 hunter now discontinued loves the 55.5 grain load. Even likes my dwindling supply of 1967 Lake City match the old M72 loading. Even giving some thought of taking my post 64 model 70 in 30-06 of course and show what a good rifle can do. Course with my eyes a scope will be used instead of iron sights.Frank
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Got her opened up today & as suspected the glass bedding attempt by the prior owner was horrifically done. Gunsmith friend is going to fix her all up. Under side metal is in good shape.

I might invest in another stock so I'll take the original one hunting since it's originality is gone because of the wooden diamonds. Then have a second stock with nice wood.

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Nice blue steel and walnut, can't beat it.

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Cory,
I consider the Model 70, 338 WM to be the best all around game rifle.
Especially when the ammunition is handloaded to suit the game being hunted.

I have personally kill game with mine, from whitetails to bull elk and bull caribou.
It gets the job done.

I've owned three 338 Win Magnums, I passed one along to my son,
one to the SIL and my favorite nephew the last one.


Cory,
Your rifle truly deserves some really good glass and a dandy piece of wood to reside in.

When I dress one up to suit myself, I generally plan on keeping it for the duration.

Kinda like my Model 70 pictured above.


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Do you have more photos you can share of yours? I saved that other photo as a reference for wood selection in the future. Since we are fixing the glass bedding job & cleaning up the stock he's going to out a new red recoil pad on it for me. Im looking forward to shooting it.

I'm more excited about this M70, than the K22 pre 17 I also picked up.

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I'll make a few more photos for you this week.

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Nice buy! I would have loved to have found that.

I only have one, 1953 featherweight in 308 in excellent condition. It will stay with me forever I believe. I always look for more when out and about.
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Well,

She's back home. Fully glass bedded properly this time & cleaned up. I'll zero with the iron sight's for now while I figure out which Leupold I will go with. Here are some more photos. Really feels good.

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Also while we will never know what on earth a prior owner used at the bedding gunk, it was reblued at one point, very well done though. We polished up the bolt since it's a better look to me. Action feels so good.

Here's a shot of the recoil pad.

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What can I say? It's beautiful.

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While I was in the Air Force 1952-1956 my Dad got a 1903 Springfield
and put it in a Bishop stock. Gave it to me when I came home. I could
never hit the proverbial side of the barn with it. Don't know why.

Traded it for a Model 70 30:06 with a Weaver K4 on it. From that time
on I swear I couldn't miss anything. Antelope, deer, elk, bear, you name
it and the Model 70 would take it down usually with just one shot.

Around 1999 or 2000 I gave all my long guns away, including the Model 70.
When I told my wife, she said you did what? Are you crazy? That's
how I got the name.

PS Obviously, it was a pre-1964
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