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Recently bought this 1986 pre B CZ 75, made in Csechoslovakia, in very good condition.

I had one previously which I foolishly sold to a colleague, and regretted ever since.

I must say the grip is one of the best shape of any pistol for me, and certainly the absolute best of the double stack magazines.















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I've been a fan of full sized CZ's for a couple years now. Nice one you have there!
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Great gun. I have a pre-B, but not in such excellent condition.
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I've found the CZ-75B to be both reliable and accurate and a great fit in the hand. I think you'll really like this earlier gun, but I believe the B series has an improved safety system, making the gun more safe if dropped.

Please post photos of targets after you shoot this one. But I doubt that I could shoot a SIG P-210 any better than I can a CZ.
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I had a pristine one exactly like yours, and foolishly sold it to a retired LEO in a time of fiscal insufficiency. I should have sold a kidney instead.

Wonderful pistols.
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Oh and it came in the original box with the manual. Paid 500 for it.





I’ve shot it a few times now, 25 meters off hand









It’s a very nice pistol, very happy with it.

But not quite as accurate as my P210, which I am very used too and has an amazing trigger.

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The pre-B 75s are simply terrific pistols. Mine was made in 1987. It's scary accurate, flat and soft shooting. Finish work isn't the greatest, being a Soviet era piece but the thing operates very smoothly in spite of the slightly rough finish of the internals. Can't say enough good about it, really. $500 is a good deal.
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I have a pre-B as well. It is a great gun, but it is sure not in as nice a condition as yours. The Czechs make some interesting firearms. Make great beer as well!!

This is mine:



That is also a beautiful P210 that you have.

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That is a nice example you found. Hold on to this one and enjoy.

Their reputation is what made me look at CZ's, but the ergonomics is what sold it.
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Nice gun you found and great shooting offhand. Last summer I bought a 75B from the forum. They are nice guns as all the CZ products are. Just put on a set of nicely grained walnut grips from Raasco. It seems to shoot good but thinking of getting a Cajun 10X barrel bushing, they claim to cut your group in half. Enjoy your gun, Larry
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These are fine, fine weapons. I managed to snag one years ago when they were still banned here. A fellow backdoored a couple of hundred thru Canada and sold a fair number of them before the feds noticed. Very smooth, very accurate, feels good in the hand. What's not to like?
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CZ makes excellent guns, I’ve been looking for a CZ75D Compact for the past year or so. None are to be found locally, but when I find one it will be mine.
The grip on the CZ is ergonomically perfect imo.
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Back in the mid-Seventies CZ75's were hot sellers in the Rod & Gun Club on Rhein-Main Air Base. Air Force crews were taking them back to the States on ATF 6A about as fast as the paperwork came through. The Feds slowed that down by changing the rules so that you to be in-country at least 90 days to bring a firearm back.

I've still got one I bought at the Grafenwöhr Rod & Gun Club in 1979. I put a small truck load of GI M882 ball though mine in the late 80's just before I retired. Only drawback these days is magazines for the so-called pre-B models are hard to find. IDPA does not like them. Local club classes it SSP one month, then decides it is ESP the next. I'd rather shoot it than a bucket full of G17's

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I have a couple of its brothers; great pistols.
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Pre-B? What is that?
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B indicates a firing pin safety. Possibly other changes too, I am not that up on it.
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Yes Sir, that's a fine firearm you have there! I was always intrigued by the CZ-75 but didn't actually get one until two years ago, A CZ-75 B. Wow thats a great pistol! Now keep hold of that one and enjoy!
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I think there were three main variations (before the dozen other modern variations)

The first series (1975 to 79)

The rail were shorter and the scalloping was further behind

Made in Czechoslovakia on a single line. I think those were blued



A good video about it

First Model CZ 75 - YouTube

The second series (pre B) had longer rails, the scalloping was more in front and Made in Czechoslovakia on two lines. Those were painted black, and the finish can be quite fragile and fall off in flakes when worn.



Then the 75B with a different trigger guard, round / combat hammer

Made in Czech Republic

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You did very well on that one, enjoy it
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Nice gun. CZ-75 pre B and Hi-Power, 2 guns I don't need but wish I had.
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Is the pre-B single action?
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Marshwheeling, they are DA/SA. I had two pre Bs,with the factory boxes,etc. One of the few pistols with a grip that fits me even better than that of the Hi Power. Wish I'd been smart enough to hang on to at least one of them
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I have a new, recent manufactured, never fired, SP-01. Is my gun less desirable than a "pre-B?" If so, why? I paid 500.00 with box and extra magazine. Was this a fair price?
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RPB... I'm sure that you have a very good deal there. Just like with Smith and Wessons, some of us like the older models, and some like the newer ones. We can each make arguments that one is "better" than another, but it basically boils down to personal taste. I was always attracted to the CZ75 back when they were first being sneaked into the country in the 70s. I wanted one then, but was just starting a family, and money was tight, and they were very rare.

Today, I have a little more disposable income, and there are many more sources of firearms available. So I was able to scratch a long standing itch! I would have gotten one of the very early ones if I had found it. But the one that I posted above was one of the large number imported from Israel. It is very discreetly import marked on the barrel.

And it only cost about $350. And is in almost new condition...a few apparent storage or handling nicks in the finish that are shown in the photo.

I bought an extra magazine from CZ USA, made in Czech Republic, and works perfectly. They seemed to have plenty, shipped quickly. Only bought one, to see if it worked OK, and will probably get some more.

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I had one of the early M75s in the 1980s and it had the typical lateral hammer movement when the trigger was pulled. The poor trigger characteristics made it hard to shoot that gun very well and I did not keep it long.

I have to absolutely agree with CLASSIC12 on the superiority of the SIG P210-2 /P-49 trigger but the sport trigger on the -5 and -6 guns is even a little bit more refined.
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Recently bought this 1986 pre B CZ 75, made in Csechoslovakia, in very good condition.

I had one previously which I foolishly sold to a colleague, and regretted ever since.

I must say the grip is one of the best shape of any pistol for me, and certainly the absolute best of the double stack magazines.















Congratulations on the CZ. I have wanted 1 for years. I keep ending ending up with clones, not the "real thing". Currently have a .40, 941 Jericho that was a purchased un-issued police/ military weapon. My son has a45ACP 1. Don't let your CZ go this time! Bob
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I have one of the older CZ-75's. I really like it. I had Bomar sights put on it, I put a mag release extension on it, and ground down the hammer spur to keep it from biting. I really like it, but it has one problem: my wife likes it too, so when I am shooting with her, I don't get to use it. A small price to pay.
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Bought mine at the Columbus gun show around 1985. One of my most accurate nines.
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I'm hoping to finally shoot this pistol very soon. I haven't weighed this piece, but it is the heaviest handgun I own. Should make recoil very mild regardless of the load.
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Here is mine, purchased in the mid 80s. It was the first one I had ever seen in real life, and when I opened the box it seemed like it was a package sent from another planet...
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I bought this South African-made Ross holster for it in Vienna, Austria. The U.S. and much of the rest of the world was foolishly boycotting goods from South Africa. That boycott, of course, only made things worse for the people there, but I digress...
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A few years ago I bought a CZ 75 BD 'used' but it appeared to have never been shot - well that changed soon and it is literally the BEST, most accurate and ergonomic Hi-Cap 'nine' I have ever owned! It has since started to see some wear on the finish (which is the ONLY part I don't like about it) but it's accuracy and fit make up for it. Take a look at the pic and see if you can find what is 'wrong' with the gun - hint - I didn't discover it until later when it was brought to my attention!
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I have five CZ all newer versions, this one is my favorite.
SP-01 .40, scary accurate. The grips/ergo are the same on all five. They fit my small hands perfectly.
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I bought this South African-made Ross holster for it in Vienna, Austria. The U.S. and much of the rest of the world was foolishly boycotting goods from South Africa. That boycott, of course, only made things worse for the people there, but I digress...

Although the ban on trade with South Africa was lifted in the mid-1990's, I don't think Ross holsters have ever been sold here. The only other American I think has one is a guy who wrote an article for, Playboy on what it was like to open carry a gun. For some reason, I think he mentioned using a Ross holster or had a picture. I wrote to the magazine to ask about that holster, but never got a reply.

BTW, have you seen the current Miss Universe, formerly Miss South Africa, Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters? YouTube has many interviews with her and with Candice Swanepoel, a VS model from that country. Both women are beautiful, smart,and articulate. Being of Dutch (Afrikaans) descent, their first language isn't English, but they're fully bi-lingual.

I saw Musgrave rifles at the SHOT show one year, but the then-embargo prevented their importation. I think they were seeking some sort of exemption, but it fell through. The rifles looked very good, on Mauser type actions.

South African wines have been available here for some time, and I sold an article on them to the food section of, The Dallas Morning News. Most here are surprised to learn that SA makes wine and has a big wine festival in the Cape, much as one sees in the Napa Valley in CA. But wine has been made there since the 1650's, Gov. Simon van der Stel growing a remarkable variety named after his estate, Constantia. It was quite famous, Napoleon asking for a glass of it just before his death. Alas, a plant louse destroyed the vines in the 1880's, and present Constantia wines are different. Most of the famous varietals like Cabernet sauvignon and Riesling are grown there, as well as the unique Pinotage. That's a cross between Pinot noir and Hermitage.

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OK, thank you for the information.
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The CZ75 design has been copied by several manufacturers, and some of the clones are quite decent. I almost bought a stainless steel copy--FEG, as I recall--some years ago, after I had sold the CZ. It looked and felt comparable, though I never got to shoot it. Trigger was good.

CORRECTION: It was a Tanfoglio.
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Here is one of the less commonly seen matte blue finish CZ75's and the Kadet .22 adapter slide assembly. It is a lot of fun with the Kadet top end and magazine installed too, especially now that .22 ammo doesn't cost as much as 9mm like it did during the shortage a couple of years ago.
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I just picked up a Springfield P9C. Traded a budget "Franken" AR for it. This is a CZ clone, actually imported from Tanfoglio and assembled at Springfield when Les Baer was running the shop. It's all hand fitted and has a better trigger than any of my other CZs, the only problem is that factory 12rd mags are made of unobtainium. Fortunately my 14 & 16rd CZ mags fit, but they stick out a bunch.
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I picked up a cz85db that’s a Amberdexterious cz75 that was purchased but never shot for $300 a decade plus ago. I picked up a 19rd mag for it.
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I have handled several CZs over the years, but the safety is a bit too forward for my short thumb. The Browning HP and Colt 1911 fit me much better.
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I like the .45 better than the 9.But my CZ is so accurate I hate to admit that I shoot it a lot more than my Gold Cup in .45.
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I have handled several CZs over the years, but the safety is a bit too forward for my short thumb. The Browning HP and Colt 1911 fit me much better.
Then you'd love the "D" de-cocker version, it's positioned farther back on the frame than the safety lever versions.

I have a 75BD and 75D Compact PCR... ever since I bought them, my 9mm S&W's have largely taken a back seat, except for my 39-2. When I take the CZ's to the range, the 39-2 can be found lurking in the range bag saying... send me in coach!
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