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Old 06-26-2018, 04:38 PM
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First of all, does anyone here have one of these rifles in their collection???

This bayonet is another bring back that my grandfather acquired during WWI. I know nothing about how he got it and it has no scabbard. It has a number of markings on it, most of which I don't understand. But, given the wealth of knowledge on this forum, I am hopeful that some of you can provide some good info.

I did some searches for info on the Ross Rifle and I guess it had its issues. It did not last long, apparently. Anyway, here is the bayonet:













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The Ross MKIII is on my grail gun list. Sadly, many have been sportered and complete examples very highly prized and priced.
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That is a Ross Model 1905 Mk I, Rifle Bayonet.
Commonly called the 'US Model Ross 1905 Mk I Bayonet'
as the USA bought appox 20K of these Ross rifles with these types of bayonets for use as training rifles early on.

The Ross rifle was adopted in 1905/Canada w/o a bayonet.
The bayonet was designed and pat in 1907 (dated on the pommel)
Bayonet was officially adopted for the 1905 Ross in 1908.

This is the first style of Ross rifle bayonet,,

The other common Ross Rifle bayonet is the
Canadian Mod 1905/1910 Mk II Ross Bayonet.
Small changes in things like the bbl mount ring, the shape of the lower guard extension and the blade shape.

The US model Bayonet was made at the Ross Rifle Factory for the Ross Rifles (MkIII) that were sold to the USA.
I guess that's where they get the 'US' in their name, but they were used by the Canadians too before changing to the MkII design bayonet.

A large number of those US Ross rifles were later sold to the State of NY and are so marked on the side of the butt stocks in the wood.
Along with all the other stamped in place markings on the butt stocks, these rifles make a day of it decifering their travels.
US issued bayonets will have the US and flaming bomb ordnance marking on the wooden grip panel.

If not US marked,,like this one is not US marked,,then it's one that was not part of the USA contract and was used as part of the first style bayonets to be issued w/the 1905 Ross to Canadian troops.

Anyway, the US MkI Ross bayonet can easily be picked out from a Canadian MkII Ross in a couple ways.
While both have the bbl ring mount feature, the US MkI has the bbl ring with a slight rearward facing overhang.

Also the blade of the US Ross MkI is much more full in profile than the MKII Canadian blade as it runs down toward the tip along it's bottom edge.
The MkII lower 'cutting edge' starts to sweep upwards as it approaches the tip making for a narrower, more pointed blade.

The D^C marking is Dominion of Canada property marking.
'08' I believe is the yr of mfg.
1-09 is most likely a date of issue. Some of these have a bunch of issue dates with the older ones 'lined out'.

Check the very end of the pommel for stamped issue and/or unit markings. Nice and flat and a popular place for those markings.

E and the 161 are my guess a unit or group the rifle was issued to and the weapon #. I'm not familiar enough with the Canadian marks to even guess beyond that.

The Crown/# are Ross Rifle factory inspector marks.


I passed on a heavily sporterized, drilled & mangled MkIII at a small show last weekend. Really bad bore too. It's a rifle that's still on the list should I run accross a decent one.
For now, a 1910 Sporter in 280Ross takes up some room.

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Thanks for the info. This has been interesting to research.
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I had a chance to buy one at an auction many years ago.
Full military dress, not sporterized.

Someone was willing to spend more than I was.
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I bought a 1905 Mk 2 Ross with bayonet and scabbard for $150 in 1971. It had US markings and lots of "line-outs" on the butt stock plus lots of bumps and bruises indicating that it had been around. The rear sight was complex with fine adjustments. The rifle shot accurately but the chamber was large - fired cartridge cases were blown out even more than brass fired in a Lee Enfield. I was told that some were "long chambered" as a result of field experience and most of those rifles will be marked "LC". Unfortunately the Ross was traded off years ago.
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Had a 280 Ross sporting rifle back in the 60's but couldn't find ammo for it and didn't know how to make any. Nicely made and balanced even with a 28" bbl. I read some place the early bolts could be assembled without having the locking in the proper place and blow back on the shooter. Never saw a diagram so not sure if it was true or not.
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I also had a 280 Ross sporting rifle.





























I too had a 280 Ross sporting rifle. Original ammo was over $100 a box of 20. I had reloading gear but finding cases was about impossible & usually cost over $2 per case & they had very thin necks that would crush easily. Gave up on it pretty quick.











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