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Old 07-12-2018, 07:28 PM
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I couldn't help myself when I found out about 90 handguns, from an estate, that where brought in at a favorite gun store where I have spent a bit of time and cash at over the years.

There just happened to be (3) HK P7's and (2) P7M8's.

I couldn't help myself and ended up with these, (2) of the P7's and (1) of the P7M8's (I forgot to mention there was also a Browning HP, how could I ever pass that up?).

Oh, and I decided later I needed the other P7, so I'll be picking that up soon also.

These took care of my "gun money" for a while.
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I had two p7s over the years. Don’t scrub the gas piston. Just wipe it lightly with a cotton patch. Do use the factory brush inside the gas chamber after 500 rounds or so.

The pistol has a very light trigger once the cocking lever is squeezed. Be careful. If you squeeze the trigger first and hold it back, and then squeeze the cocking lever, the pistol will fire.

Check the welds on the breech block. Look for tiny hairline cracks. These are found on the early pistols (date code ib and earlier.) HK has said it’s not a problem. I had one with the crack, and I bothered me.

Enjoy those pistols.
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Back about 10-12 years ago or so a bunch of P7-PSP pistols came on the market, German police trade-in pieces that HK ran through their shop for inspection and sold with limited warranty. Depending on condition (mostly holster wear) the prices ranged from mid-$400 to upper-$500 range.

I experienced a spike in demand for holsters, so I entered an order for a mid-grade pistol. Received it soon after, in factory box with manual in English, cleaning tools, and spare mag. Cost me $577 delivered at the time.

Used it to make dozens and dozens of holster orders, more than paid for itself in a few months time. Demand tapered off as the marketplace absorbed the flow of pistols, and the P7-PSP spent several years taking up space in the gun safe.

Not the easiest pistol to make holsters for. Short overall length, relatively heavy, and nearly all of the weight concentrated in the grip-frame (especially when a loaded mag is in place). Any holster design that contains enough of the pistol to provide positive retention can provide challenges in accessibility (ease of draw with a solid "shooting grip"), particularly with the squeeze-cocker situated as it is. I'm not attacking the P7 design, just commenting on it from the holster-maker's perspective.

Took it to the range a couple of times. There is a definite learning curve dealing with the squeeze-cocking mechanism, but overall it was an easy pistol to shoot well. Only complaint I found was the occasional blast of super-heated chamber gas through the gas port into the space around the trigger, thus frying my trigger finger once in a while. I understand that this issue was dealt with in the later P7-M8 series.

Anyway, after several years laying around unused in the gun safe I noticed that the P7-PSP pistols were bringing over $1000 again. I advertised mine on GB and quickly sold it for $1150, double my investment (and that was probably 4 or 5 years ago).

Great pistols, but not for everyone, especially not for those unwilling to commit the time and ammo to master the squeeze-cocking mechanism and use it effectively. For those of us who learned to concentrate heavily on trigger control the effort involved in the squeeze-cocker can have the effect of breaking your concentration (not especially good in defensive use circumstances).

Your mileage may vary.

Now, that Browning Hi Power is a fine looking specimen! Love it.

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I had two p7s over the years. Don’t scrub the gas piston. Just wipe it lightly with a cotton patch. Do use the factory brush inside the gas chamber after 500 rounds or so.

The pistol has a very light trigger once the cocking lever is squeezed. Be careful. If you squeeze the trigger first and hold it back, and then squeeze the cocking lever, the pistol will fire.

Check the welds on the breech block. Look for tiny hairline cracks. These are found on the early pistols (date code ib and earlier.) HK has said it’s not a problem. I had one with the crack, and I bothered me.

Enjoy those pistols.
Curious as to why you instruct not to scrub the gas piston. Can you expand on that ?
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Very nice.

I also like the HK P7, I have an M8 and a M13 NIB



And two HP as well

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Very nice.

I also like the HK P7, I have an M8 and a M13 NIB



And two HP as well

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Nice P7 and HP's. But that post-war ( 1952) HP is to die for !!
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There are many of us HK P7 fans out here, and more being "sold" on the squeeze cocker every day. It truly is a marvel of German engineering, congrats on your acquisition!

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I had two p7s over the years. Don’t scrub the gas piston. Just wipe it lightly with a cotton patch. Do use the factory brush inside the gas chamber after 500 rounds or so.

The pistol has a very light trigger once the cocking lever is squeezed. Be careful. If you squeeze the trigger first and hold it back, and then squeeze the cocking lever, the pistol will fire.

Check the welds on the breech block. Look for tiny hairline cracks. These are found on the early pistols (date code ib and earlier.) HK has said it’s not a problem. I had one with the crack, and I bothered me.

Enjoy those pistols.
Thank you for taking the time to share this information with me!

I am looking forward to getting them to the range!
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Congrats!! I hope to add a P7 to my collection someday. You hit a hoard of goodness.
The funny thing is that they called me because of the S&W revolvers he had, THEN, after I got there I found the HK P7's (and of course the Browning HP!).

It ended up there were 5 total P7's, 4 of which I bought, the 5th was factory Nickle P7M8, but I just could not justify the purchase, after what I spent on the other 5 (I SO need to be a millionaire!).

I consider myself very lucky to have gotten, what I did, and was thankful to have the relationship I have, with the folks at that store.
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Back about 10-12 years ago or so a bunch of P7-PSP pistols came on the market, German police trade-in pieces that HK ran through their shop for inspection and sold with limited warranty. Depending on condition (mostly holster wear) the prices ranged from mid-$400 to upper-$500 range.

I experienced a spike in demand for holsters, so I entered an order for a mid-grade pistol. Received it soon after, in factory box with manual in English, cleaning tools, and spare mag. Cost me $577 delivered at the time.

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Not the easiest pistol to make holsters for. Short overall length, relatively heavy, and nearly all of the weight concentrated in the grip-frame (especially when a loaded mag is in place). Any holster design that contains enough of the pistol to provide positive retention can provide challenges in accessibility (ease of draw with a solid "shooting grip"), particularly with the squeeze-cocker situated as it is. I'm not attacking the P7 design, just commenting on it from the holster-maker's perspective.

Took it to the range a couple of times. There is a definite learning curve dealing with the squeeze-cocking mechanism, but overall it was an easy pistol to shoot well. Only complaint I found was the occasional blast of super-heated chamber gas through the gas port into the space around the trigger, thus frying my trigger finger once in a while. I understand that this issue was dealt with in the later P7-M8 series.

Anyway, after several years laying around unused in the gun safe I noticed that the P7-PSP pistols were bringing over $1000 again. I advertised mine on GB and quickly sold it for $1150, double my investment (and that was probably 4 or 5 years ago).

Great pistols, but not for everyone, especially not for those unwilling to commit the time and ammo to master the squeeze-cocking mechanism and use it effectively. For those of us who learned to concentrate heavily on trigger control the effort involved in the squeeze-cocker can have the effect of breaking your concentration (not especially good in defensive use circumstances).

Your mileage may vary.

Now, that Browning Hi Power is a fine looking specimen! Love it.
Thank you for taking the time to share that information (and story) with me!

As to that Browning HP, one look at it and there was NO doubt it was going to be mine!
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Very nice.

I also like the HK P7, I have an M8 and a M13 NIB



And two HP as well

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Thanks for sharing!

Beautiful HP's you have there!
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There are many of us HK P7 fans out here, and more being "sold" on the squeeze cocker every day. It truly is a marvel of German engineering, congrats on your acquisition!

Thank you!

That's a great looking P7 you have there!
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Nice P7 and HP's. But that post-war ( 1952) HP is to die for !!


Thanks, I just did a post about it.
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This P7 was manufactured in 1979, and was formerly in the police inventory of the German state of Lower Saxony (Niedersachen). It is in excellent condition, with an original box, papers and tools.

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I served with a German police lieutenant while I was in Kosovo. When he went on leave, I volunteered to clean his P7. The first week he was back in Germany was also the week I spent at the range. His P7 was a wonderful shooter. I had unlimited ammo available and shot it every day that week.

Of course, when he got back in country, his P7 was nice and clean.
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The German state of Bavaria, which has issued the P7 since 1979, is introducing its new service pistol starting in fall, the HK SFP 9.

Neue Dienstwaffe der bayerischen Polizei vorgestellt | Bayern

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The decision came mostly because the P7 has not been produced since 2008 and manufacturer support has ended. Bavaria is one of the last states to replace its single-stack 1970s pistol.

When they replaced their Walther PP’s with the P7, many of those PP’s were taken as trade-ins by HK and ended up on the US market.

So if we’re lucky, maybe there will be a batch of ByP-stamped P7’s showing up here next year!

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I don't care for the wide bodied P7 either. About the only multi round 9mm semis I like are the Browning HPs and Glocks. I carried a Beretta in Kosovo and Afghanistan. I shoot them well, but they don't feel good in my hand.
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I worked for a department that issued P7M13s. Everyone hated them. We ended up going with Sigs. They always reminded me of Dymo label makers .
I never thought of it that way. You realize only the older guys know what you're describing as the Dymo Label maker. I don't think they've make that squeeze clicker / plastic spool type label maker for quite a few years. But, yes, now I understand your comparison. LOL !
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This P7 was manufactured in 1979, and was formerly in the police inventory of the German state of Lower Saxony (Niedersachen). It is in excellent condition, with an original box, papers and tools.

It's a great design, and once you get used to its unique controls, very handy. It's also compact and extremely accurate.

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That's a great looking P7!

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NICE! I want to get a set of Nill's German wood grips for my Sig P220.
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So, tell us about the S&W's you left behind.......
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The P7M8 is a really neat piece. I have shot them quite a bit over the years and found them to be an interesting weapon. Guys that like P7M8s tend to really be aficionados. I guess that makes sense, due to its' unique manual of arms.

That P7M8 with the nickel finish is a fairly rare bird. That would be worth picking up.
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Beautiful pistols, amazing German engineering and design, and quite accurate, but if I can't carry it, I can't use it, and an unusually heavy single-stack 9mm was of no utility to me.

The post above that mentioned being issued a P7 M13 made me wonder how heavy that pistol was to lug around all day long.

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I carry a P7M8 nearly every day, along with two spare magazines. I barely notice the weight. The first part of your post is quite accurate . . .

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Beautiful pistols, amazing German engineering and design, and quite accurate, but if I can't carry it, I can't use it, and an unusually heavy single-stack 9mm was of no utility to me.

The post above that mentioned being issued a P7 M13 made me wonder how heavy that pistol was to lug around all day long.
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Here is a P7 that you don't see every day. It is the P7K3 which is a 380 with conversion barrels to 32 ACP and 22 LR. Fairly rare in the USA.

Here it is shown along side of a P7M8
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OP, is your first one wearing Nils grips? Those are tough (and expensive) to find. I like my two; one a 4digit number in cardboard box; the other from the 80 in the plastic box. Both PSPs, they have a short trigger pull once squeezed and are accurate. If you didn't get the metal piston scraper, they are available online.
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They were "newer", having a hole, in a place that I prefer my S&W's not to have a hole.

That's all I have to say about that.
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Here is a P7 that you don't see every day. It is the P7K3 which is a 380 with conversion barrels to 32 ACP and 22 LR. Fairly rare in the USA.

Here it is shown along side of a P7M8
Wow, very nice, thanks for sharing!


I've heard of the P7K3, but have never seen, or held one.
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OP, is your first one wearing Nils grips? Those are tough (and expensive) to find. I like my two; one a 4digit number in cardboard box; the other from the 80 in the plastic box. Both PSPs, they have a short trigger pull once squeezed and are accurate. If you didn't get the metal piston scraper, they are available online.
Yes, they are Nil grips!

I may have over paid (under $2000 out the "door", I think it was $1975) for the P7M8 with the Nils, but I couldn't help myself.

And thanks for the information!
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My last PSP was the older 4-digit one. Has the plum slide. Got it at an estate sale for ~$500; shoots great. As a LH shooter, I love the totally ambi characteristics.
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Wish HK would make these again. From what I understand it, the design is too expensive today and the original know how and plans are lost to time. It is effectively impossible to recreate today with our current level of technology without costing many thousands of dollars.
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I would think with today's computer systems and programs that it could be reverse-engineered; maybe not mass produced, but produced in enough quantity to make it financially viable. (Maybe not in Germany, but Portugal?)
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I have had two, but just could not master the manual of arms. Sold the first one for $200 more than I paid for it six month earlier, traded my most recent one for an early '70s LNIB 4" blue Python, and haven't looked back.
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Umm, guys, we’re talking about a gun that was produced until 2008, by a current company where most of the guys who built it likely still work, not recreating a dinosaur at Jurassic Park. Of course they could resume building it tomorrow. But for the official police and military market, which is of primary importance for European manufacturers, the design was quixotic, is now obsolete, and was controversial from the beginning.

Only two states adopted it. Niedersachsen (Nds) bailed out in 2002 and picked the P2000; they sold 13,000 of the P7’s back to HK for a pittance who exported them to the US. There is no market for new production that would matter.
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I have to agree on the manual of arms statement.

A friend of mine just loves his and is always bragging that the P7 is the safest pistol made.

I have always felt that in the heat of a tense moment that the trigger could very easily get pulled at an inopportune time as you are "squeeze cocking" to fire.
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Wish HK would make these again. From what I understand it, the design is too expensive today and the original know how and plans are lost to time. It is effectively impossible to recreate today with our current level of technology without costing many thousands of dollars.
As I recall, Greece and Mexico manufactured them under license from H&K, though I wonder if they are still being made or used in either of those two countries.

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As I recall, Greece and Mexico manufactured them under license from H&K, though I wonder if they are still being made or used in either of those two countries.
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In both cases, HK guns (not just pistols, but the G3, MP5, and light MGs) were built under license by state-owned plants exclusively for official use. I know the Greeks are currently assembling the HK P8. In any case, neither ever produced for the commercial market that I’m aware of. I’ve never come across a Mexican-marked P7 here, although I found some pictures.
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A former police officer and I both carried Colt .45 Government Models. However, any time we had to search a building, as soon as he entered said building, you could hear him click off the safety. I tried to ALWAYS be behind him.
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