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Recently I've seen a number of blogs/articles (Wilson Combat) and posts talking about the virtues of 9mm 1911s. I moved away from 1911s in the late 80s ..... all were .45s and while I don't carry/shoot .45s much anymore I still have some Sigs (220/245) and a Smith 4566

Seems like a lot of $$$$s and trouble to reinvent the wheel...................I know you can get a nice trigger with a 1911.......

But, why not just get a Browning HP and remove the magazine disconnect maybe send it out to Novacks?

What am I missing?????
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Maybe the 10rd limit in some states is making the single stacks popular. Me, I'd get another BHP or a CZ. Got my eyes on another BHP right now.
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Maybe the 10rd limit in some states is making the single stacks popular.

That's a thought..............

I've never been big on carrying cocked and locked.... which is what moved me to the Sigs.; and later 3rd Gen Smiths. Don't feel the need for hi-cap on a daily basis.... which moved me from a 6906 to a 3913 for my EDC.

I have always been fond of the Browning and still have 2.... both with Mec-gar 15 rd. mags if the "need"/Zombies ever arise. Back in the 80s Auston Behulert (sp) built/ chopped HP down to about the size of a 6906 IIRC with a 10 rd magazine/gripframe...... your gun and 'big Bucks" at the time!!!!
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Several reasons for a 1911 in 9mm.

Cheaper ammo.

As we age our hands may suffer. A 1911 in 9mm is easier on the hands and wrists to shoot. Years ago I suffered a neck injury that seriously affected my hands both as to strength and dexterity. Couldn't run a wheel gun and shooting a 45 hurt. Also had trouble maintaining a solid grip. Since I could run a 1911 in my sleep I bought a 1911 in 9mm. 100% familiar and I could hit with it. After neck surgery I sold it but it was my orthopedic gun. BTW I had a HP but couldn't shoot it as well as a 1911. Same situation for older shooters and other people w limited hand strength. FYI older now and my hands and wrists aren't 20 anymore. I have 3 1911s in 9mm in addition to several in 45 ACP.

BHP is a great pistol but not everyone likes them. While I would love a Novak BHP the trigger is never going to be a 1911 trigger. While it will be a sad day before I sell my BHP it will go before my last 1911 goes.

Why do we have more than 1 type semi auto pistol? Because people want them. Same is true for cartridge choice.

Because my Robar modified Glock 19 doesn't work as well FOR ME as a 1911. That's for me. Your situation may differ. Glocks are good handguns but not MY 1st choice.

Practice w a 1911 in 9mm transfers to a 1911 in 45ACP. Cheaper ammo can equal more practice. Easier on the hands can equal more practice. More practice done right = better shooting.

What if I work at a PD that allows my choice of firearms as long as chambered in 9mm?

Comparable to a 38 Super although not identical ballistics. Very limited ammo choice in Super. Tons of choices in 9mm.

I'm sure there are more reasons but folks buying them is a big reason.

You could just buy a BHP but I have multiple 1911s, multiple revolvers and multiple 9mm handguns of various makes and models including a BHP and a Glock 19. In reality all I need is a 22 for cheap practice and fun, a J frame for concealed carry and a big bore revolver for a field / hunting handgun. If I really had to I could do it all w a single 4 inch barrel 629 revolver. I could use lite 44 Spec for plinking, heavy Spec for carry and full house mag for field use. And yes I have carried a 629 concealed under normal clothes wo getting made even in a room full of gun toaters who were saying it couldnt be done. I could get by w a 22 rifle and either a 308 or a 30-06 If I had to do so. Where is the fun in that?
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JWK.... good thoughts and I agree...... my question was more along the lines of "Why the surge of interest that seems to have sprung up in just the last year".

Maybe like Bill Wilson and ken Hackathorn posted it's that a lot of us are getting older and arthritis is taking it's toll.
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A lot of competitors are going to 9mm 1911s. I see them a lot at IDPA matches. Lighter recoil = faster times. And then there are those who want the great trigger and classic style of the 1911, but don't want the recoil of the .45. (Wimps)
I have always believed that if you want a middle bore 1911, then do it right with the .38 Super. I have four. 9mm in this old classic just felt like blasphemy to me.
OTOH, I recently sold off several guns to finance repairs on my truck. I now find myself a bit short in the 9mm department and am looking to get another. I do love the 1911. I don't know.... maybe.
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I picked up a Rock Island Armory 1911 in 9mm not long ago. Shoots great and is much easier on the wrists in extended range time. Not putting my 45s to bed just yet but the 9mm 1911 is a very easy shooter. Seeing a lot more of them at the range lately also.
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Practice makes perfect, and practice costs money. 9mm is about 30% cheaper than .45 at my local big box.
There is a reason there is more than one gun manufacturer and why each makes many models in many calibers. I have no problem with you shooting what you like. I will shoot what I like.
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JWK hit all my reasons.

I suffer severe bone loss, arthritis, and cancer. One of my docs is also a range buddy. He saw what I was going through with my 1911 .45acps, and decided I was done with them. Between him and the ortho surgeon, they convinced me. I moved to 9mm 1911 as my primary, and have added some / sold some since. I got my first 1911 in 1968, so that was it.

But I grew up with the idea that a 1911 had to be a .45. Took some doing to convince me that 9mm was valid, but that's where I am today.
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I just ordered a Sig TACOPS 9mm 1911.

Not real crazy about the name but if it performs like they say I can get past that.

I have two SR1911 .45's and enjoy shooting them. Just figured with the cost of 9mm being so much less and all the good things I have heard about this Sig I would give it a shot.

Didn't hurt that Sig apparently discontinued this model and I was able to get into one out the door for less than $800.00.

Haven't had it in my hand yet but I am really looking forward to it!

I also look forward to the lighter recoil and improved accuracy. Call me a wimp if you must. It can't be any worse than the name of my new 1911.
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I have a 9mm Colt Competition that I just had out last night. It's a joy to shoot. I wouldn't hesitate to carry it, but I would probably carry my .45 1911 or Browning, all the same.

Price of ammo was the key factor in me buying it.
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I got a 9mm Colt competition 1911 just to bang steel on my little home range. It's a ton of fun to shoot.
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My main complaint regarding 9mm Model 1911s is that they're built on the same frame as the .45 ACP chambering. This means unnecessary bulk. If anything, the .45 ACP is lighter than its counterpart 9mm as more metal must be hogged out to accommodate the larger caliber.

I think Springfield Armory (?) has scaled the grip to the 9mm but didn't touch the width. The Browning HP has a slim slide and carries more easily in an IWB holster compared to the .45. I sure wish the Hi-Power was offered in a single stack version but that will never happen.
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The original Colt Commander was designed as a 9mm first.

Here's my second year Commander 9mm..1951..

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I think Springfield Armory (?) has scaled the grip to the 9mm but didn't touch the width. The Browning HP has a slim slide and carries more easily in an IWB holster compared to the .45. I sure wish the Hi-Power was offered in a single stack version but that will never happen.
One of my favorite 9mm is a Beretta 92 Compact Type M 8+1 single stack..... another gun no one wanted in the 90s.... I've got a couple and a stash of magazines.

Question are the 9mm 1911 magazines proprietary to one make/model ?????
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I understand the premise of the question and discussion, but going directly to the Browning Hi-Power from the 1911 is... for lack of a better term... silly.

There are many guns more like a 9mm 1911 than a Hi-Power and the Hi-Power and 1911 have almost nothing in common beyond the name John Browning. And when you consider the amount of a Hi-Power that Browning was responsible for... you may just as well have said a Colt Woodsman instead.

People love 1911's for many reasons... if ya love one in .45 then you might love one in any other caliber too.

If you love a Browning Hi-Power, that's great also but if you were drawn to a Hi-Power because you think it's like a 1911, you've got me absolutely confused.
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1911/ 9mm all the same.
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I'd say first of all the 9mm is easily the most popular handgun caliber these days, so a lot of folks I'm sure like having multiple guns in the same caliber so they don't have to collect different calibers. AS has been pointed out, it's also the cheapest to shoot.

As for the BHP vs 1911, I have a FNHP that I love, but it's still no 1911. The trigger is not as good, and the safety lever is not is well designed as on the 1911. My thumb finds the 1911 safety without trying, but the HP I have to hunt for it a bit.
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I just purchased a 1911 Commander in 9mm, still waiting for the purchase permit. I was born and bred with the 1911 being a 45. My fascination with the 38 Super motivated my recent purchase. From my research, a barrel and magazine swap, with an adjustment to the ejector, and then I have a dual cartridge 1911. Plus, I have been shooting a 1911 45 for over 40 years and I trust it. The 9mm will give me a bit more trigger time and allows me to have an affordable 38 Super!

A few other factors have been behind this purchase. My other 9mm is a 439. While it is a great pistol, I am not fond of the first shot being double action. I am looking at using this Commander for IDPA and possibly CCW.

I didn't purchase a "boutique" 1911, but an ATI for about $400. I like the concept behind the 1911 and my ability to do most of my own repairs and barrel swaps. A brass broom allows this mangled body to retrieve my brass.
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JWK.... good thoughts and I agree...... my question was more along the lines of "Why the surge of interest that seems to have sprung up in just the last year".

Maybe like Bill Wilson and ken Hackathorn posted it's that a lot of us are getting older and arthritis is taking it's toll.
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I've been around long enough to remember when a 9mm 1911 was a novelty and was sure to give it's owner feeding problems. Things have changed in recent years . Due to good engineering and more precise machining practices, 9mm 1911's generally run as good as their 45acp counterparts. In response, most 1911 manufacturers have heard the call of flocks of newbie shooters who have grown comfy with the 9mm in their plastic carry pieces but would like to step up to a legendary 1911 platform for the range. Sig,RIA,Colt,Springfield and others all now have 3,4 and 5 models now with varying barrel lengths,finishes and features. ( Read: There is now a big selection to choose from.) I can tell you from my time in the shop, that they do sell well. Maybe 1/3 of our 1911 sales are now in 9mm. ( BTW, Interesting that S&W still only has the one Pro series in 9mm)
All that said, there are benefits for us old school 1911 shooters as well. Less recoil and cheap shooting being the big ones. ( OK, and an excuse to buy a new 1911 or two :-)
I myself have purchased "a few" 9mm 1911's to run with my 45ACPs. I can tell you that they are a joy to shoot!
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The 9mm 1911 has been becoming very popular as of late. The advances in metallurgy and design to the bullets is making the 9mm round a contender in stopping power to the 40 and 45. The FBI contract for the Springfield Armory .45 Auto Professional ran out last year and they switched to the 9mm. A lot of the local PDs around me are going back to the 9mm. The ammo is cheaper the ammo has improved and increased it's stopping power in the premium bullet configurations. SACS has released the SA Professional in 9mm and has been getting a lot of interest as well as most other custom , semi-custom and production line manufacturers. I have 8 high end .45 auto 1911s, and while I respect the advances that have been happening in the 9mm ammo, I personally don't see myself running out and buying a 9mm 1911. If I'm gonna carry a nine, I'm gonna make it a plastic fantastic with a 15 round magazine. I reload so there isn't a great deal of cost difference for me between 9 & 45.
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I understand the premise of the question and discussion, but going directly to the Browning Hi-Power from the 1911 is... for lack of a better term... silly.

There are many guns more like a 9mm 1911 than a Hi-Power and the Hi-Power and 1911 have almost nothing in common beyond the name John Browning. And when you consider the amount of a Hi-Power that Browning was responsible for... you may just as well have said a Colt Woodsman instead.

People love 1911's for many reasons... if ya love one in .45 then you might love one in any other caliber too.

If you love a Browning Hi-Power, that's great also but if you were drawn to a Hi-Power because you think it's like a 1911, you've got me absolutely confused.
Was not saying a Browning was a 9mm 1911 ..........................see my post 7 ..... my question is more focused on the current/recent "surge in interest in 9mm 1911s."

I've been shooting for 55 years... for most of those years. at least in my experience, if someone wanted a single action cocked and locked 9mm; Browning was the go to option..... starting about 1985 the CZ (and clones) were added to the cocked and Locked mix.

In all my years of shooting including USPSA and IDPA (80s- about 2012) I can't remember seeing a single 1911 pattern 9mm...... 38 super yep ..... 9x21 yes; but not a 9x19........ and a fair number of Hi-Powers

Surprised by bigbruce's post about the original commander being 9mm .....interesting; so Colt tried it but it didn't catch on...... in the ........1950s??????

Seems like just the last 2 or 3 years everyone suddenly realized they could and started building 9mm 1911s. Kind of like the old "Gee I could have had a V8"

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How do we define popularity? Gun writers writing articles? Types of firearms seen at the range/compeiotions? Firearms seen for sale?

Well, I don't pay much attention to gun writers, don't go to ranges - I go out in the desert - and I don't participate in formal, organized competitions, but I do make the rounds, weekly, to area LGS and pawn shops.

In the almost 25 years that I've been doing my weekly rounds, I've only seen a handful of 9mm 1911s for sale new and used. I've seen very, very few used and even, less new. This includes local gun shows. If 9mm 1911s are popular, it must be a regional thing. From what I've seen, they sure aren't popular in the ABQ NM area - although 10mm and 38 Super don't last long when they show up.
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Surprised by bigbruce's post about the original commander being 9mm ..... so Colt tried it but it didn't catch on...... in the ........1950s??????
In 1949 US Military was looking for a lighter gun in 9mm for officers to carry..

All the major manufacturers participated (incl. S&W 39) none were adopted.

Colt put so much into development they sold it in the civil market starting in 1950 adding 45acp and 38 Super..
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Fascinating.

All of those concepts, ideas, and opinions. Fascinating.

Personal to me, but I see I am not alone (and I admit that years ago I discovered a 1911 9mm and wanted one!), I long ago lost interest in 1911s because, for my purposes, they are too big to carry and I dislike cocked and locked carry. YMMV and I know folks like it but it makes no sense to me. No matter how much you train you still have that added step of wiping off the safety when the elephant appears. I don't argue with folks who like them, I had the utmost respect for Colonel Jeff Cooper, but it's not a gun that makes sense to me for concealed carry by "us folks".

I have a gorgeous BHP and an Israeli replica BHP called a Kareen but I do NOT carry them on any kind of a basis. I have holsters if I want to carry one afield but that's the only time they would get carried and then in Condition Three only.

As for 9mm versus .45 ACP, I still have my 3rd Gen CS-45, and I am still a fan, but my CS-9 is easier to carry and has more capacity which is why I bought it. Unless I want a lot of capacity, in which case I switch to a 6906, when I want more rounds than a revolver holds (my usual EDC is a .38 caliber revolver, because I LOVE THEM!) I carry the CS-9. Thus, a 9mm fan I became!

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I agree that it's been the last bunch of years that a bunch of manufacturers got in game of 1911's chambered for 9mm. In my opinion, it should have been sooner. They are simply enjoyable. The 1911 trigger and just the feel of a 1911 in your hand is exactly like it has always been, this pistol just has a totally different recoil impulse and is enjoyable.

I suppose for me, the question is not why are they making them but it is "WHY did it take so darn long until all these guys started making them?!"
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I've had a series 70 in 9mm for a year and a half and you guys are going to make me go shoot it.(when it cools off). lee
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I agree that it's been the last bunch of years that a bunch of manufacturers got in game of 1911's chambered for 9mm. In my opinion, it should have been sooner. They are simply enjoyable. The 1911 trigger and just the feel of a 1911 in your hand is exactly like it has always been, this pistol just has a totally different recoil impulse and is enjoyable.

I suppose for me, the question is not why are they making them but it is "WHY did it take so darn long until all these guys started making them?!"
LOL expresses my feelings also.......just not sure that I want to get into another "Platform"...... I pretty much skipped the .40 S&W and .357 Sig for the same reason...... and like Yoda I moved away from "carrying" C&L with my first Sig 220 in 1988. I've only got one 1911 a Sig RCS Officer's Model frame Commander Length slide..... this thread is kind of making me wish it was a 9mm

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LOL expresses my feelings also.......just not sure that I want to get into another "Platform"...... I pretty much skipped the .40 S&W and .357 Sig for the same reason...... and like Yoda I moved away from "carrying" C&L with my first Sig 220 in 1988. I've only got one 1911 a Sig RCS Officer's Model frame Commander Length slide..... this thread is kind of making me wish it was a 9mm
Truth be told, I ended up getting a full sized Sig 1911 Match Elite in 40 S&W too Why? because 40 brass is knee deep on all the local ranges . Bullets and powder for reloading are about 1/3 cheaper too. (I reload the 40 so it behaves like a 185 gr 45 acp vs your usual "snappy" 40 S&W performance.) Turned out to be a real nice shooter. So at that rate, the gun will eventually pay for itself. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :-)
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I have the fake 1911 in 9mm, the Star Model B Super. It has all the ergos, lack of recoil and accuracy of a 1911 9mm without the price. I might score a Rock Island 9mm one day, but my gun money just went to buy another full size 9mm pistol with a 5"+ barrel.

This brings up another point. 9mm really benefits a 5" barrel as it is a relatively high pressure cartridge compared to 45 ACP. All these "duty size" 9mm pistols are made for LE carry convenience, but the typical 4" barrel gives up 50 fps and, therefore, muzzle energy.
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Haha, relatively high, you can say that again. 9mm runs TWICE the max allowable peak pressure than .45 ACP per SAAMI standards.

And the Star Super B was beautifully showcased in the movie Pulp Fiction. Many gun cranks thought it was a typical Hollywood detail gaffe when Julius said "...and Mr. 9mm here..." because his pistol looked for all the world like a bright nickel 1911 which simply must be a by God .45! But nope, it was a Star.
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It's a classic, aesthetically pleasing firearm, of a time-proven design, available in many configurations, with multiple safeties built in, chambered in a round with relatively low recoil, and is offered by certain manufacturers for around $300.

All of those factors combined just plain makes the 1911 an attractive option for self-defense.

Personally, I don't care for 9mm Luger, but I do plan on getting a Ruger SR1911 in 10mm as my next major firearms purchase.
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I picked up this 9x19 RI Ultra FS awhile back. On sale and with some gift cards I was out the door for under $325. Haven't had it to the range yet but if it runs as good as it looks and feels it'll sure be popular with me!

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I don't think 9mm 1911's have been getting popular, they've been popular and available for a long time. I bought a S.A. range officer in 9mm for ESP class in IDPA. Didn't take long to become a favorite shooter.
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Surprised by bigbruce's post about the original commander being 9mm .....interesting; so Colt tried it but it didn't catch on...... in the ........1950s??????

In the 1950s you had ball ammo. Not the best for shooting people although pretty good at punching holes in auto bodies. Unless you think you're going to be shooting at people in cars 9mm ball is no bueno. 9mm didn't start making inroads until we got hollowpoints. The better the hollowpoint technology gets the more the 9mm shines.

Also I don't remember a lot of older guys toting pistols every day back in the late 60s and 70s when I was growing up. Frankly I never saw anyone w a centerfire auto until I was in my teens. That said the 1st handgun I bought was a 1911 w a Colt Conversion unit in 22. Came out the back door of a pawn shop bc I wasn't 21 yet. I wanted a 45 but he didn't have one that wasn't on his books. I had been shot at earlier in the day (another guy w same name as mine was fooling w the shooters wife) and the pawnshop owner took pity on me. I later got an apology from the shooter left on my windshield but I never found out who he was and never found the other guy w my same name.
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My biggest reason for liking 9mm 1911's is that they are loads of fun.
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Early 70s I got new 1911, S&W 39 & Brn HP.- same day. Using
all FMJ factory ammo the 1911 was the looser on accuracy, m39
second, Brn HP first. This was off a rest. The m39 was easier to
shoot offhand because of the sights. The HP was smoothest by
far. The Colt 1911 was the worst trigger of the 3 and had added
minus of the stock sights. That's just comparison between these
3 pistols out of the box.

Not long after I got these pistols I got a case of Military 9mm
that was hot for open bolt SMGs. It was foreign ammo and I
didn't realize what it was. I was shooting the 39 more than the
others and cracked the frame on 39 with this ammo. I didn't use
it in HP because it wouldn't fire without dropping hammer on it
twice. The 1911 are it up, no problem. I quit shooting it in any
of my 9mm after cracking the 39 and finding out what it was.

All three of these were top rate pistols and were more than
capable of what they were intended for. I'm not bad mouthing
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it best combat pistol ever made. If I carry one it will be a 45
for weight & size why not.
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Not to derail this thread but it is surprising to how LIMITED the caliber options are for 1911s.

Glocks, Sigs, M&Ps and you can run everything from 380, 9mm, 40, 357 sig, 10, 45...

But you do not find any popular 1911s in 357 sig or 40 cal. Yes rock island mad some 40 cal 1911s, but it never grabbed the popularity that you see with 9mm and 45acp 1911s.

So to me it seems like 1911s have to be either 9 or 45 and that's it. Though I do agree that in the last 20 years the 9mm 1911s have really taken off.
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Square--it depends how far off the beaten path you want to get. Mainstream, yeah--9mm, Super .38, 10mm, and .45 ACP.

If you want to poke around in the weeds, there are all sorts of interesting cartridges, mostly heavy-hitters like the .50 GI, .45 Super, and .460 Rowland.

Now, the thing about those other cartridges you mentioned--the .40 S&W family--is that they're all cartridges of the '90s. More specifically, they're all really cartridges designed for the LE market. 9mm wasn't as good as it is today, so they filled a pretty big gap between the 9mm, and the .45, which was really a bit bigger than the ideal.

What's important there is that by the 1990's, 1911s were on the outs with law enforcement. Anybody can take and pass a Glock armorer's course. Doing the same with a 1911 is a whole different matter. Not to mention the wide gap in pricing.

So there was never really any great impetus to develop 1911s for the .40 Family. If you wanted .357 Sig in a 1911, well, Super .38 sort've already did that. If you were a citizen shooter who wanted more oomph than a 9, well, you'd just buy a .45 and practice more.

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Really, they're just great fun to shoot. Aside from practical considerations, it's the same sort of joy as a .22 plinker--all the noise and flash of a centerfire cartridge, the heavy ka-chunk of a "real" action working, just enough muzzle flip to keep things interesting, but very little actual recoil.
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Not to derail this thread but it is surprising to how LIMITED the caliber options are for 1911s.

Glocks, Sigs, M&Ps and you can run everything from 380, 9mm, 40, 357 sig, 10, 45...

But you do not find any popular 1911s in 357 sig or 40 cal. Yes rock island mad some 40 cal 1911s, but it never grabbed the popularity that you see with 9mm and 45acp 1911s.

So to me it seems like 1911s have to be either 9 or 45 and that's it. Though I do agree that in the last 20 years the 9mm 1911s have really taken off.
IIRC, Para Ordnance offered 1911s chambered in .40 S&W and .357 SIG up until they were bought out by Freedom Group/Remington.

I'm pretty sure that SIGSAUER still does limited runs of the 1911 in .357 SIG.

As for .380 ACP, there are actually quite a few 1911s chambered in the cartridge. Granted that most of them are miniature 1911s like the Colt Mustang, SIG P238, Kimber Micro 380, and Springfield 911, but there are also larger models like the Browning Black Label 1911 and RIA Baby Rock.

Furthermore, there are of course always aftermarket modifications such as conversion kits.

All in all, I think the biggest reason why there weren't/aren't a lot of 1911s chambered in .40 S&W or .357 SIG was simple lack of demand. Most folks were/are satisfied with 9mm Luger, .38 Super Auto, 10mm Auto, or .45 ACP when it comes to the cartridges the 1911 platform typically comes chambered in, especially when .38 Super and 10mm are potentially more powerful than .357 SIG and .40 S&W respectively, yet are widely available in configurations of equal or less power like non +P rated .38 Super or 10mm FBI.
Also there was and still is something of a stigma attached to carrying a 1911 for self-defense, that being the misapprehension that all 1911s must be unreliable or otherwise obsolete due to the fact that certain high price tag models which were designed more with Competition in mind than self-defense typically have such tight tolerances/clearance between parts that they'll choke if any debris whatsoever gets inside including carbon from shooting, and if something is expensive then apparently that means it's the best in all possible categories including those which it wasn't designed for. So that may be another reason why it wasn't/isn't popular chambered in strictly self-defense cartridges like .40 S&W or 357 SIG.

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I believe you can get the Remington R1 in .40 S&W as well.

Side note, one of my bullseye pistols, for a time, was a police trade-in 1911, a Springfield Loaded with (ha!) fixed sights. I performed the following in order to ready it for competition:

(1) Place ammunition inside of it.

I won a bit with that gun, and later used the lower for a .22LR conversion that also did a bit of winning, before I built a dedicated lower.

I don't wholly subscribe to the loose=reliable theory, but there's no doubt some fitting methods result in a very tight gun that isn't terribly reliable (and also not accurate for very long in 1911 terms). I've have found that you can have a "loose" gun that shoots very well, and a "tight" gun that's perfectly reliable.

After all, custom bullseye guns are accurate by anyone's definition, but national competitors expect them to run just fine in wind-blown dust and driving rainstorms.
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I have been shooting this S&W 1911 Pro 9mm in USPSA single stack division for six months.




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I bought a Springfield 4"EMP 9mm. It was pretty. After shooting it, I'll say it is a piece of junk.
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Question are the 9mm 1911 magazines proprietary to one make/model ?????[/QUOTE]

The Springfield Armory EMP models eluded to above are a special downsized 1911 that use a proprietary mag. Springfields other full sized 1911's in 9mm use the same mags as the colts, S&W,sig...etc. ie. Not proprietary at all. FWIW, I currently have the SA Range Officer, Sig TacOps and S&W Pro 1911's in 9mm. I'd be hard pressed to pick a favorite.
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..the mechanism is fascinating, it's tough as nails and it works darn well just like it has for well over 100 years. And a 1911 is a 1911. At least on the original design there aren't a zillion 'variations' that make any one trickier to handle and operate than another.

They make pistols that are easier to take down, have varying features and a variety of actions and frames out of plastic that are MUCH lighter. But if you want an old favorite you wouldn't go wrong with a 1911 design.

I just inherited a Llama .380 a ways back that I didn't realize is a 1911 design. I'm not crazy about Llama, but I love the pistol just for that reason.

If I had a Luger, I'd want to shoot it some, VERY carefully. But what really knocks me out is the "inertial knee" toggle thingy whose inertia of pushing through changing angles to delay the breech opening knocks my socks off with its ingenuity.
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The Springfield Armory EMP models eluded to above are a special downsized 1911 that use a proprietary mag. Springfields other full sized 1911's in 9mm use the same mags as the colts, S&W,sig...etc. ie. Not proprietary at all. FWIW, I currently have the SA Range Officer, Sig TacOps and S&W Pro 1911's in 9mm. I'd be hard pressed to pick a favorite.



Everyone that competes in single stack division at my club; in USPSA uses Dawson Precision magazines. I bought five and have had zero feeding problems.

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I bought a Springfield 4"EMP 9mm. It was pretty. After shooting it, I'll say it is a piece of junk.
I bought one of those. It took three trips back to the factory to get it to run right, and it was very ammo particular. Biggest issue was the ambi safety. I would get home and realize that sometime during the day the safety had bumped off.

That was the end for the EMP. I sold it, got what I had in it back, and moved on.
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Is everyone aware that a 1911 in .45 ACP can easily be converted to 9mm? All that's needed is a 9mm or .38 Super slide, an ejector, a barrel, and a magazine. And a .38 Super barrel and magazine if you want a triple-caliber 1911. I have a Springfield 9mm slide on my Colt, it fit fine. Might need an assortment of recoil springs also. I think one can get .40 S&W and .357 SIG barrels to work in the 1911 9mm/38 Super slide, but I have not tried that. If so, that would give you five calibers on a single 1911 frame.
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Recently I've seen a number of blogs/articles (Wilson Combat) and posts talking about the virtues of 9mm 1911s. I moved away from 1911s in the late 80s ..... all were .45s and while I don't carry/shoot .45s much anymore I still have some Sigs (220/245) and a Smith 4566

Seems like a lot of $$$$s and trouble to reinvent the wheel...................I know you can get a nice trigger with a 1911.......

But, why not just get a Browning HP and remove the magazine disconnect maybe send it out to Novacks?

What am I missing?????
What you are missing is that the Hi-Power safety sucks.
Even the aftermarket improved ones.
But the old BHP is STILL one of the best feeling pistols in the hand ever made.

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I have a lot of fun with my ITW 1911 Commander. I have a couple of classic 45's but the 9mm seems to get more range time.
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