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I just came back from a F/F purchase from a local sports forum.
Picked up a really nice Savage 99 in 250/3000. Was hoping for
a early carbine model but this turned out to be a EG model. It
was made 1950 according to serial. Would have been a 90%+
gun but is D&T with scope & has sling studs.

Savage 99s are scarce in my area. When one pops up it is usually
300sav or 303sav. Going to take off the 4x that came on it and
mount a K10 and try it out with some hand loads. If Its a keeper
the Tang sights will go on it. Hard to beat the quality of these
old 99s. Feels like they are running on bearings compared to the
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The older 99s like JM Marlins are bringing top dollar from both
shooters and collectors. They don't make them like this anymore.
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My 99 is the best in the Maine woods,Quick, lite and smooth.
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Yes they are a great gun. My friend scored one new back around 1980 also in 250. Nice wood with the Indian chief head carved into the stock. Have to ask what exact model his 99 is. I know it has not been fired yet!!
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My dad’s favorite rifle in .308. He literally hunted with it all over the world.
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I have one Savage 99. I am a huge fan of the 250 savage, With my hunting buddy, my son and I together, we have taken about 45 whitetail deer with a 250 Savage. One of the best deer rounds ever chambered in my opinion.

Walked into a local pawn shop about 15 years ago. Spotted a 99 in the rack and ask to look at it. Stock was black with decades of grease and oil. it said 250-3000 on the barrel. ok, its going home with me. I get home, what have I purchased, it appears pre WWII because you can just tell these guns made by hand before 1940. It is first year production, take down from 1915. Perch belly stock was also a give away on old age. There is nice figured walnut under all that black grease and oil. It makes a few trips to the woods each fall, but I have yet to take a deer with the old gal. I paid more for a set of stith mounts and an old 3x weaver to put a scope on her that I gave for the rifle.

These are classic guns in a classic cartridge. You are correct, they do not make them like this anymore. All steel and all walnut.

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Truly addictive. There are not a lot of them around here, but the ones you find are often in very nice shape.. Northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin often hunted only opening weekend, and didn't use the rifles very hard. Unfortunately, competition around here is pretty tough; there avid 99 collectors in every direction from me. I have had to find them in Missouri and South Dakota, and look for them on our yearly trip to Maine. There a couple of guys out that way that hoover up the godd stuff there.
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Savage 99s in .250-3000 are in high demand. I have a friend with one, he put it up for sale and it went immediately. It had a Stith scope mount on it, and that helped the sale. I wouldn't turn down any Savage chambered in .300 Savage or .303. Although factory ammo in either caliber is difficult to find, it is very simple to re-form .308 brass into .300 Sav, and .30-30 brass to .303 Sav. I have an older (1920s) Savage 99 takedown in .303 Savage, with a Marble tang peepsight. The .303 Savage is more or less ballistically equivalent to the .30-30, except the factory loads normally used a heavier 190 grain bullet which gave somewhat better penetration than the typical 170 grain .30-30 bullet. I remember reading something about Savage demonstrating the great penetration of that .303 Savage bullet by publicly shooting a large live bull. The bullet allegedly went all the way through the unfortunate bull lengthwise. I guess it must have been a FMJ.

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Most 99s I encounter are Model EGs. But never in .250-3000 or .358 Winchester. Mostly .300s like my '48 below. I think the EG is the most graceful of the 99s. My other favorite because I'm prejudiced and this has been in the family since the early 60s is the 1955 Featherweight .243 I post here all the time. Stock carved by my dad fifty or so years ago.





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My 99 is the best in the Maine woods,Quick, lite and smooth.
Same in the Arkansas woods and swamps too!
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It's sort of hard to believe that the Winchester lever action rifles survived after the Savage 1899/99 came out. It's a far superior lever action design in every way to anything made by Winchester. But it looks somewhat clumsy and is also more expensive.
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I like the lines of the new 1895 Savage with the straight stock. I believe it came in .308 and had the tang safety.
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Savage 99s in .250-3000 are in high demand. I have a friend with one, he put it up for sale and it went immediately. It had a Stith scope mount on it, and that helped the sale. I wouldn't turn down any Savage chambered in .300 Savage or .303. Although factory ammo in either caliber is difficult to find, it is very simple to re-form .308 brass into .300 Sav, and .30-30 brass to .303 Sav. I have an older (1920s) Savage 99 takedown in .303 Savage, with a Marble tang peepsight. The .303 Savage is more or less ballistically equivalent to the .30-30, except the factory loads normally used a heavier 190 grain bullet which gave somewhat better penetration than the typical 170 grain .30-30 bullet. I remember reading something about Savage demonstrating the great penetration of that .303 Savage bullet by publicly shooting a large live bull. The bullet allegedly went all the way through the unfortunate bull lengthwise. I guess it must have been a FMJ.
.250-3000 casings are even easier when you neck up a 22-250.....at least it works for me in Grandpa's 99.......

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Strange but I just bought a Model 99 Saturday. Dates to 1929, .303 Savage, takedown. Bought it because it is a .303 and takedown! Still nice and tight to the point of being hard to remove the barrel. It had a tang sight at one time but no more. Has been D&T for a Redfield base unfortunately. No rear sight, damaged front. Replaced the front with a 1/16" Marble's Sheard Gold bead, now need a rear sight but I'm not going to pay as much as I did for the rifle for an original Lyman or Marbles sight! Worst part is someone put a recoil pad on it many tears ago, a red Mershon. Haven't decided what to do about that.
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The last 99 I bought was a 303 TD. It was well used but not beat.
I bought it to get the Tang sight it was wearing. It hadn't been
shot in years and action was gummed up, took awhile to get
barrel out. That's ok with me, the ones that were taken apart a
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Back in the day, the 99 takedowns could be had with an accessory .410 barrel, making it a single-shot shotgun. Most of those barrels have been lost. I have seen only one 99 TD which still had the .410 barrel. I don't know if Lee still stocks .303 Savage dies, but they did when I bought my 99. The FL die had a metal burr inside of it that scratched the case, and Lee replaced it without question.

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Since they don’t take up much space in the safe, they have a tendency to multiply. Mine started with a couple TD’s in 30-30, 300, & 303; added a newer 243, just cause it was in such good shape.... I’ll pick up a 308 one of these days.
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I have a 243 with a Williams tang mounted sight, brass tumbler. Handles like a pool cue compared to heavier scoped rifles. I got it used, 30 years ago, I suspect it was someone’s favorite deer rifle in a time before scopes were popular.
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I like the lines of the new 1895 Savage with the straight stock. I believe it came in .308 and had the tang safety.
That was a nice one if it’s the octagon barreled anniversary gun they made. I wish they had made it on a regular basis without the engraving and medallion in the butt. Though a crescent butt might be a problem though it looks great.
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Here is my '99. Manufactured in 1946, .300 Savage mounted with a Weaver model 330 2X scope - post reticle, Stith scope mounts. Was my Dad's gun, is a real sweetheart. I regularly shoot it with reduced power loads and 100 grain bullets. Don't make 'em like they used to.....all the parts have the factory serial number on them. Wood, buttplate, receiver, barrel, and probably some others I haven't found. Real pride in craftsmanship
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Just picked one up myself not long ago, after throwing out the topic for discussion here. Response was overwhelmingly positive. Now I see why. In my short time with it, feel like it’s one of the best purchase decisions I ever made.

Thanks all of you who urged me onto it. Just another way this forum really shines.
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Here is my '99. Manufactured in 1946, .300 Savage mounted with a Weaver model 330 2X scope - post reticle, Stith scope mounts. Was my Dad's gun, is a real sweetheart. I regularly shoot it with reduced power loads and 100 grain bullets. Don't make 'em like they used to.....all the parts have the factory serial number on them. Wood, buttplate, receiver, barrel, and probably some others I haven't found. Real pride in craftsmanship
At the local gun show last weekend, I ran across a fair condition Remington Model 81 in .35 Rem with a Stith mount and scope for a very reasonable price. I was sorely tempted, but I resisted. Stith was located here in San Antonio. Their "factory" was in the basement of a downtown office building.
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I bought a 81 in 300 Savage recently. It is the Kreiger conversion
with detachable magazine. Came with Redfield reciever sight and
a take down case. Pleased with the accuracy & function of the
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Mine is a ‘post mil’ DL circa 1966. Yeaahh, the checkering is pressed, oh well. From research the consensus seems to be that production quality began a slow-slide shortly before this model’s introduction, oh well. My pop didn’t hunt or shoot, but if he did, this is the kind of gun he’d have had, and this is how it would have been appointed, maintained, and passed on - 98% condition, 52 years later. Weaver mounts. Great old Leupold Glass. Very deliberately appointed for, purpose in mind, and era correct with the best stuff available. And nary a scratch to be found. Cared for. Loved. Gives me chills. And it clover leafs at 100 yard in 308. I don’t feel like it’s my ‘right’ to change a damn thing on it.
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I stumbled across one at a private estate sale about 4 years ago. It was sitting in a dark corner with a price tag of $350 in .243!!! It went home with me and after a proper cleaning, I don’t think it was ever hunted with. My daughters gave it to my father for father’s day, after he thought I had sold it. It’s a mid ‘50’s rifle under 1 million on the serial number. I’ll never find another one priced that well and in 95% condition.
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Here's my favorite tang safety 99 that came out in 1971. The light Model 99A. Made to resemble the older lighter rifles. Here it is above an early one. They were .243, .250, .308, and not sure if .358. Shooters now like the .250. If I had one I’d pick .308.


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WB: Yes, that's the style 99 I like!!!
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You can’t beat the 250 savage round. I’ve hunted with a Ruger lightweight 250 savage since I was 12 years old. I’m in my 40’s now and have killed turkey, whitetail, antelope, and mule deer with it. Most hit the ground where they stood.
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.243 VS. .250 Savage. I only hear great things about the .250 Savage as a deer cartridge. And something about how excellent hype and advertising for the .243 Winchester in the 50s drove hunters to it as opposed to the tried and true .250. Considering close to comparable bullet weights used, of course, could a deer really tell if it was shot by a .250 or a .243?
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Two of the favorite cartridges of those who were knowledgeable "gun people" until the mid-1950s were the .250-3000 and the .257 Roberts (basically the 7x57 case necked down). Both have unjustifiably submerged into obsolescence since the appearance of the .243. I have the dies to load both calibers, but no guns chambered in either. Maybe someday I'll run across a good deal on one. Now we have the 6.5 Creedmoor as a hot caliber. Very strange, as no other cartridge in 6.5mm has ever caught on in the USA. I guess it's because it works in the AR action.
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Apparently there were two different twist rates in the 250-3000 Savage rifles. Around 1960 the 1-14 twist was changed to 1-10. I don't know if you reload or not but the bulk of suggestions seemed to be lighter bullets in the pre 1960 rifles produced better groups. A lot of the older guns didn't shoot 100 grain bullets very accurately according to a bunch of internet opinions. By the way, the .300 Savage is a pretty nice caliber too. I wouldn't pass on a nice example if priced fairly.
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"By the way, the .300 Savage is a pretty nice caliber too. I wouldn't pass on a nice example if priced fairly."

The .300 Savage is often overlooked today, but there is no reason for that. It is ballistically very similar to the .308 (or 7.62 NATO), the only significant dimensional difference between the two cases being that the .308 has a longer case neck and a slightly shallower shoulder angle. One can easily convert .308 brass to .300 Savage. One pass through a .300 Savage FL die, then shorten the neck. I have made hundreds of .300 Savage cases that way.

Some may be aware that the .300 Savage was the parent to the .308/7.62 NATO. The U. S. military felt that the .300 Savage case neck was too short to hold the bullet tightly enough for use in automatic weapons. So they lengthened it. As a result, the .308 essentially replicated and replaced the .300 Savage.

"Apparently there were two different twist rates in the 250-3000 Savage rifles. Around 1960 the 1-14 twist was changed to 1-10. I don't know if you reload or not but the bulk of suggestions seemed to be lighter bullets in the pre 1960 rifles produced better groups. A lot of the older guns didn't shoot 100 grain bullets very accurately according to a bunch of internet opinions."

One of the most significant screwups in twist rate involved the .244 Remington, meant to compete with the .243 Winchester. Remington initially used a slower rifling twist rate (1:12) adequate to stabilize the light 80 grain bullet. However, it was found to be inadequate to stabilize bullets of 100 grains or greater. From the beginning, Winchester used a 1:9 twist rate which would stabilize all bullet weights. Remington finally saw the light and tightened its twist rate to 1:9 and changed the cartridge name to 6mm Remington. But by then, the damage had been done to the marketability of the .244/6mm, and Remington lost.
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I have two at the moment. I have a scoped modern 99A in .308. A favorite for whitetail deer hunting here in Pennsylvania. My precious classic is an old take-down model with barrels in both 250 and 300 Savage. Came to me as a family heirloom from a grandfather I never met.
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The majority of the white tails I have killed with my 250 savage have been with an 87 grain bullet. It always seems to me that an 87 grain will drop a deer quicker and with less damage them a 100 grain bullet would do out the same rifle.
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Hydrostatic Shock? I like to drop deer and whatever else, in two ways -
One way is under 150 yards with a large hole and short action laying waste in a mean way with maximum FLBS of energy delivered. The other way, that I find equally intriguing but completely different is the light, hot-as-****, 250 3000
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