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traded for a .243 instead of a 6.5 creedmore
i'm considering trading my .308 for a 6.5 creedmore but what I don't know is how much less felt recoil is there? I have a damaged shoulder and the .308 and even my 30-30 hurt to shoot just a few rounds. it won't be shot a lot after sighting in/building loads if necessary. anyone here actually shoot/have shot both that can give me an idea of the difference. thanks in advance. lee
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I have not fired a 6.5 Creedmore in a bolt gun, but in a AR it is not bad at all, much less felt recoil than a 7.62x51 AR, and a ***** cat compared to a 308 bolt gun.
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Recoil is less, but.....
... if a 30-30 is painful, I'd make sure I had a heavy gun with a good stock and recoil pad. The Creedmore is flatter shooting and has plenty of range.
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I doubt you'll notice a whole lot of difference. May be time to invest in a really good recoil pad or a PAST Recoil Shield.
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All other things being equal, the 6.5 will recoil less than the .308, probably to the point that you would notice the reduction. Problem is, all other things are seldom equal. I have a GAP .308 that weighs in close to 13 pounds and it is a *****cat. The same loads in a pre-64 Winchester Featherweight at about 8 pounds kick considerably harder even with a good pad. Most 6.5 rifles tend to be lighter than .308 precision rifles - you see the problem. Also, I can shoot a 375 H&H rifle all day long in a 1948 Model 70, but a Ruger No. 1 makes me want to quit after about 3 rounds. The difference is stock design.
Best I can suggest is buy the heaviest rifle you’re comfortable with, make sure the stock fits you, consider a good muzzle brake if you don’t mind the extra noise, and add a good recoil pad. Good luck!
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I don't think there will be a ton of difference.
Beauty of the 6.5 bore is the long for caliber bullets in the 140 to 160 grain range. The difference between a 6.5 anything (C'more, .260 Rem, 6.5 Swede) launching a 140 grain bullet at around the same or a little faster than a .308 launching a 150grain will be too negligible to tell. I can't between my 700 26" bull .308 and my 700 26" bull 6.5, they are both about the same weight.
I've got a hunting weight Savage bolt rifle, a heavy barrel custom Remington bolt rifle, and a heavier AR-10 platform all in 6.5 C'more if you'd like to meet up and try one on before you buy. We aren't that far apart and I'm a member out at MSSA in Arlington if you'd like to meet there. The AR has the least felt recoil but it is a big heavy one with an adjustable gas block.
I will ask this, do you have a suppressor? They are the best thing I know off for reducing felt recoil, especially a big .30 cal can with a muzzle break end cap. They would help you a ton on your .308.
I'll also throw out there if you have an AR already that the .300 Blackout with the supersonic hunting loads or a 7.62x39 upper make the regular AR a pretty good shorter range carbine. I would be leary much past 150 or 200 yds personally and wouldn't use the subsonic rounds at all but otherwise the shoot very soft especially with a decent muzzle break which are a dime a dozen for the AR. I've got a few Blackouts too in both AR platform and a Ruger American bolt rifle if you'd like to try one.
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What about a 6.5 Grendel ?
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Recoil is a function of gun weight, bullet weight, and muzzle velocity. Powder weight must also be figured in. All must be known before calculation of comparative recoil can be made.
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I assembled a low recoil .300 Blackout AR for my best friend's very young daughter for deer. It's carbine length with a muzzle brake and I fitted a recoil-reducing stock (from Israel). When I sighted it in, it felt like a .22lr to me! She's very good with it and has taken two bucks so far.
Myself, I assembled a 6.5 Grendel AR for deer and I don't even notice the recoil. Probably half the felt recoil of my .308's.
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For me .308 is heavier by a bit. 6.5 is sharper. .308 in Ruger 77 woodstock. 6.5 in Ruger with "composite" stock. both off the bench. Much prefer the Remington 7mm-08 in Remington mdl 788 but very hard to find. Ugly but dammmm what a shooter! Felt recoil wasn't much more than a 243
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Pretty sure you can get reduced recoil 308 ammo if it will do what you want to use your rifle for. Stock and butt pad can make a huge difference in perceived recoil . 224 Valkyrie is a long range round with lighter recoil in a AR 15 size package you might consider.
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I shoot a .308 & a 6.5 Creedmoor. I do notice a little less recoil with the 6.5.
A .308 with a 168 gr. bullet and a 6.5 CM with a 142 gr. bullet are both about 2700 fps.
If everything else is the same, weight of gun, stock design, recoil pad, etc.
The 6.5 will shoot much flatter at longer ranges and will probably have a little less kick.
But probably not that much difference for a injured shoulder.
I use to have a formula for figuring recoil. You can probably still find it somewhere on the internet.
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thanks to all who responded. I've about talked myself out of the creedmore. i'll never need to shoot anything real far away. lee
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Mr Barner, I don't know What you are planning to use the rifle for, or what the game laws are in the Great State of Tennesse, but train loads of deer have been killed with 22-250s and good bullets.
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You didn't mention Auto or Bolt.. If your 308 is Bolt then reloading to a lower velocity can be your remedy.
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Here's a recoil calculator that I use. Remember you do need to include the powder charge. It will give you the raw number. Felt recoil is another matter dependent on action type, stock design, recoil pad etc...
You might consider a .243 Winchester, effective but mild IMO.
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Very simple, MxV of gun = MxV of bullet + MxV of propellant (powder), where M=mass and V=velocity, all in consistent units. The velocity (V) of the gaseous components of the propellant at the muzzle is generally considered to be around 1.6 times the projectile's muzzle velocity. You solve that equation for the V of the rifle - that is the recoil velocity.
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Hornady reduced recoil loads should help
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My wife is 5'4" and although she could shoot my lttle 308 it bothered her. Went to exactly the same gun (Mohawk 600s) in 6mm and she loves it. A 243 Winchester is about the same. With good shooting those 105 gr bullets are good deer killers. A heavier 243 and a decent recoil pad and maybe a muzzle break and the recoil should be pretty mild.
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My wife is 5'4" and although she could shoot my lttle 308 it bothered her. Went to exactly the same gun (Mohawk 600s) in 6mm and she loves it. A 243 Winchester is about the same. With good shooting those 105 gr bullets are good deer killers. A heavier 243 and a decent recoil pad and maybe a muzzle break and the recoil should be pretty mild.
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I was about to suggest a 243 Winchester. There's a number of good deer bullets even in the 85 to 95 grain range.
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The nice thing about most of the 6.5 Creedmoor rifles is that they have a threaded barrel which means you can easily add a muzzle break, which means drastically reduced recoil compared to a 308.
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If your .308 rifle is an old favorite, it's possible to have it re-barreled in .243, .260 Rem., 7 mm.-08 and a few others. They're derived from the .308 case and can use the same bolt and action.
Fortunately your .308 can be loaded with Federal Fusion Lite or Remington's Managed Recoil ammo. They claim greatly reduced recoil in loads tailored for .308, .30-06 and .270 Win.
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Second the 243
If the 30-30 is too much, 243 is the one. For short range 7.62x39 works in bolt, mini 30 or AR 15
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thanks to all who responded. I've about talked myself out of the creedmore. i'll never need to shoot anything real far away. lee
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Do you reload? If so I would be happy to share a solution to my own problems due to injury. I am using a time proven load that is very accurate and a really light push. Still manages 2800 fps in .308 Win.
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A 243cal. is a good all around gun and is pretty flat shooting. I have only killed one deer and for some reason wasn't interested in killing any more. It was a ten point and field dressed out at 147lbs and I have no idea what the live weight was.
I was shooting either a Winchester or Remington 100gr. bullet and it took out a piece of the heart and pulverized the lungs. I was probably a little less than a 100 yards from the deer.
My memory is probably bad but the 243 has about 12lbs. recoil compared to 18 lbs. for the 308. Where I got this info I do not remember, but that is what is stuck in my mind. I know you can sure feel the difference.
I had a badly torn up shoulder and after it somewhat healed I could shoot the 243 with no problem.
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ancient one, I traded for a ruger American predator in .243 this afternoon. I already had reloading dies, bullets etc for it. thanks again to all. lee
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I think the Ruger will serve your purpose well. I have had several different
243s. Mostly BAs, Win 100 and a few others. I can't remember any that
had much felt recoil. My keeper 243 is a custom 98 semi varmit probably
9lbs. I have shot 6.5s, the truth is rifles of equal weight, shooting same
wieght bullet at same speed, would recoil so close you wouldn't be able
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The .243 is a very versatile, mild-recoiling round. Shoots flat, will take a deer quite well, great on varmints.
You'll like it.
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.300 Blackout would be good to look into. Many guns are chambered for it. Also, the 7.62mmx 39 cartridge used in the SKS and AR-15 would be a good candidate if you can get a gun you wanted chambered for it.
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You already have the .243, but my experience with a .243 was pleasant. I had a Savage 110 Heavy Barrel, and loaded a 75 gr Hornady to near 3000 fps (for Prairie Dogs) and it was extremely accurate and felt recoil was almost no different than my 22-250 with 55 gr bullets.
The .243 has a nice wide variety of bullet weights available and will serve a multitude of purposes.
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Lee,
FWIW, I've owned a .243 rifle for a very long while. Never had a problem with it. I typically don't shoot beyond 300 yards. I also owned a 7MM-08 and I also liked that cartridge very much. But I traded that one for a Ruger American Predator rifle in 6.5 Creed and I love both the rifle and the caliber very much. The flat shooting cartridge is definitely has a flatter trajectory than the other two which comes very close to allowing no or very little aim changes out to 300 yards on a deer size target and that works well for me.
All three cartridges are sufficient for the purpose, but I love the longer more slender bullets for the 6.5 in the same weight ranges for the 7MM-08 and the 6.5. Both of those allow the use of a heavier bullet than does the .243, and I also like that. However, a properly aimed bullet at reasonable ranges from a .243 will get the job done. Most all my hunting has been done in the wider open ranges of eastern NM and west Texas. In an area where wooded areas do not allow many shots with longer ranges than 150 yards or less, any of these three will bring home the meat. All three are very sufficiently accurate for my needs and none of them are difficult as far as recoil is concerned for me.
I am very pleased with the Ruger American Predator rifles for the money. They are plenty accurate, easily carried, and are very good rifles in my estimation. I think you will be pleased with it.
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Good for you! You will be happy. I reloaded mostly with Sierra bullets. The 60gr. loaded right was fun.
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Downloaded ammo.....
I love downloading my bolt rifles because they are just fun to shoot. 4895 powder can be downloaded 1/3 from its max load. If I want lower, I go to 4759. powder. For kicks and grins I can go even lower with Unique.
We have to use a 6mm minimum bullet here to hunt deer.
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Congrats on the new 243! If you want to try any factory rounds then give the Hornady Lite a look. That’s what my son will be running for deer season this year. It pushes a 87 grain projectile at 2800 out of a 24” barrel and has very mild felt recoil.
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Proper stock fit and a good recoil pad can go a long way in dampening recoil. Weight of the rifle also makes a big difference. My 10 lb. 30-06 kicks me a lot less harder than my 6 lb. feather wight .
Do a search on the term "rifle recoil reducer" and you will find several reducers that will dampen recoil.
Reduced recoil loads with 4895 is another way to tame the kick. Hodgen reloading site has the data and instructions.
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