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Old 10-01-2018, 05:41 PM
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My FIL works a a local indoor range. He scooped this out of the bullet trap. What do you think it came off of? BTW, no one said a word. You know the person noticed, act like nothing was wrong and cased his frame before paying. I just think it's hilarious.
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That is pretty funny. It looks like it was glued onto the frame-- not a lot of forcing cone there! I think I would have at least slipped it in my pocket rather than leaving it behind...
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That’s one of those new barrel shaped projectiles
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I think he threw it down range in discust. The bullet trap in 25 yards down range.
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It does say .38 Spl on the bottom, near as I can tell. It would appear to be a catastrophic failure of the barrel shank. Possibly cracked by over torquing or maybe a fault in the steel.

No provision for an extractor rod locking bolt.......Ruger? You might check factory websites to see if you can match the profile to any maker that doesn't use the front mounted locking bolt and does use a one piece barrel. I looked at current Ruger and the SP101 seems the best bet, but they are currently using a different front sight and have the name on the barrel. Older version?
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id say rossi or taurus
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I think he threw it down range in discust. The bullet trap in 25 yards down range.
*Slaps forehead* Oh, bullet trap. You did say that, but for some reason I was thinking of the little bin that some places use for brass at each shooting station. That makes it even better. Yes, it does seem like it would have to have been thrown by hand, unless there's a bullet stuck in the barrel.
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Front sight looks identical to the profile of my taurus 415, but there is a lot more shank on my taurus
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Taurus 85

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Looks like another fine heirloom quality piece from the artisans at Taurus.
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Looks like another fine heirloom quality piece from the artisans at Taurus.
Thanks, I was taking a drink when i read your response!

I just have little use for Taurus, and this made me laugh good!
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Now, it's easier to conceal, and has an "improved cylinder" choke!
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I'd say that its classic case of an over torqued barrel. The barrel is put on too tight and results in a weak place in the metal right where it meets the frame. And it does indeed look like a match to the Taurus pictured.
But before everybody starts bashing Taurus, S&W has had the same problem before. I believe it was about 2006(?) S&W sold a large batch of Model 64s and 65s to the North Carolina Department of Corrections. Several of these guns experienced barrel separations exactly like the one in the OP. At least one barrel shot off right in front of a S&W executive sent to check the problem. IIRC S&W ended up replacing the entire shipment.
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The same thing has happened with stainless steel Ruger Redhawks and stainless steel S&W K and L frames. In a nut shell the barrel shank was nearly twisted off by torque when the barrel was installed. The question is how rare is it among the hundreds of thousands of revolvers the manufacturer turns out. There have been multiple pictures on the internet of both Ruger and S&W revolvers that suffered this mishap but this is the first Taurus I've seen. S&W and Ruger couldn't make it right for their customers fast enough. If the owner could have found his barrel down range then he should have sent it back to Taurus along with his revolver.

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I can hear a new shooter saying:

1. “Did I do that?”
2. “Was that supposed to come off?”
3. “Holy ****, I am getting out of here!”
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Why is it that there seems to be some unwritten law that bbls must be tightened onto frames with the torque provided by Thor.
Tightened up with any normal torque, decent fitting threads and abutment surfaces,,it ain't coming apart.
Sloppy thread fit and then depending on the bbl shoulder to frame engagement surface to jam the two together is just that,,sloppy work and can lead to a loose bbl. That's no good either.

A TD rifle or shotgun simply threads into place by hand & in many cases is only held by a 1/2 interupted thread. All seems OK in the safety dept. Some debate the full accuracy potential of course.

But having to stand on a 6ft cheater bar slipped over the frame wrench handle to assemble or untie a bbl from a frame on anything only proves it was put together with way too much interference and torque to begin with.
Stuff like these bbl separations from stress cracks result.
The M1917 cracked recv'rs are another one.
They add no benefit to the assembly, only detract from it IMO.
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I'd say that its classic case of an over torqued barrel. The barrel is put on too tight and results in a weak place in the metal right where it meets the frame. And it does indeed look like a match to the Taurus pictured.
But before everybody starts bashing Taurus, S&W has had the same problem before. I believe it was about 2006(?) S&W sold a large batch of Model 64s and 65s to the North Carolina Department of Corrections. Several of these guns experienced barrel separations exactly like the one in the OP. At least one barrel shot off right in front of a S&W executive sent to check the problem. IIRC S&W ended up replacing the entire shipment.
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NO! Say it isn't so! I thought only that company in Brazil made bad guns!
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New category, "never saw that before". My God.
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Barrel pins are not relevant. They only limited gross rotation of a loose barrel. Barrel installation did not change when barrel pins were eliminated.
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It's from a Taurus .38 sp. One of their disposable barrels
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One thing for certain .The shooter wasn't a country boy.A country boy would have retrieved that barrel and bought some JB weld on the way home .Next day on gunbroker there would be an add .
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NO! Say it isn't so! I thought only that company in Brazil made bad guns!
It ain't so, and YES, they DO make bad guns!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

While I am not a Taurus fan, I agree (as many here have said) that ANY company can, and will, have/make lemons.

But do NOT expect me to say that Taurus makes quality firearms, I just can NOT get there.
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I don't think so.
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No! It occurred with stainless steel Redhawks when they were brand new on the market. The problem was found to be ineffective lubricant wiped on the barrel threads before they were screwed into the frame. The threads galled. In other words the male and female threads scrapped metal off each other. Forcing the barrel on in took too much torque. In a thread on the topic some one who was defending Ruger from criticism by a S&W fan posted a picture of a Model 686 L frame that had its barrel break off in the barrel threads. There was no story with the picture of the 686. The problem happen with stainless steel K frames early in two piece barrel production. I think that is the story GrayFox wrote about.

Automobile assembly line workers have also screwed up the simple job of screwing things together. The only car I bought new was a Toyota. Its head bolts were not torqued in. I watched the dealership's mechanic diagnose the problem then I watched the torque wrench while he snugged them down. The dealership had the gall to charged for repairing the car they'd sold me new a day or two before! The charge should have been protested above the dealership level but I was young and had to get to work. In contrast, Ruger and S&W warranty repaired their revolvers including free shipping both ways. I drove that Toyota 14 years so I did get my money's worth out of it.

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Taurus. Mighta coulda hurt a bad guy with that there snubby projectile!
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I had a Taurus where the cylinder fell out on the second reload at the range after buying it brand new. Once.
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My FIL works a a local indoor range. He scooped this out of the bullet trap. What do you think it came off of? BTW, no one said a word. You know the person noticed, act like nothing was wrong and cased his frame before paying. I just think it's hilarious.


Well this is what happens when you have a mixed match gun.
Put a .41 Mag cylinder on a frame with a .38 barrel, fire one shot and this is the result!
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Doesn't Taurus switch the barrels over once the guns come ashore? Isn't there some kind of international regulation regarding handgun barrel lengths?
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Your first two and fourth pictures do not show defective S&W revolvers. They were negligently destroyed by over loaded cartridges. Distorted or ruptured cylinders and with extreme over loads blown off top straps are expected when too much fast burning powder is used in perfectly manufactured revolvers.

The failure of the Model 329's aluminum frame in your third picture is another matter. The first part in S&W revolvers to permanently distort from too high pressure is the cylinder and its cylinder looks undamaged. This is the first time I've seen a frame that separated like that 329.

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Doesn't Taurus switch the barrels over once the guns come ashore? Isn't there some kind of international regulation regarding handgun barrel lengths?
The federal law usually called the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA 68) outlawed importing guns that were not suitable for sporting purposes. Congress left it up to bureaucrats to decide what guns were not suitable for sporting purposes. Since what some of us now call the legacy news media and liberal politicians had been campaigning to outlaw "Saturday night specials" ATF picked a point system that blocked importing small handguns. Many overseas manufacturers made new versions of their pocket pistols with longer barrels, over size thumb rest grips and adjustable sights so they'd be awarded enough good points to be allowed in. Manufacture of smaller pocket pistols like the .25 ACP Colt had been importing was moved to the United States. I suspect that you are confusing your memory of GCA 68 with international law. Taurus International Manufacturing Incorporated, also known as Taurus USA, manufactures guns in Florida.

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Taurus bashing gets old. They do make some really good firearms. I know they have made some real junk at times but stop by and I'll show you just how well my PT-145 works. It's never jammed even once through thousands of rounds and it will shoot as accurate as "any" pistol at 20 yards. I demonstrated that to a friend by shooting empty .45 casings at 20 yards. I shot twice and hit both the ones he had set up for me. Accurate and dependable and inexpensive - yeah that's junk. I would never have bought the thing but LGS owner gave me a 30 day trial period. It fit my hand like a glove and I knew the first day I was going to love that pistol and I still do. I keep it next to where I sleep. I trust it as much as any pistol I own including some stuff everyone here would think was a good pistol - like a Sig P220.
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It's from a Taurus .38 sp. One of their disposable barrels
There's a market for those in Chicago. Disposable barrel = no ballistics comparison. CPD already has a match between two victims shot 3 days apart this week. Now that this has been publicized the gun is surely at the bottom of the Chicago River.
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Taurus bashing gets old. They do make some really good firearms. I know they have made some real junk at times but stop by and I'll show you just how well my PT-145 works. It's never jammed even once through thousands of rounds and it will shoot as accurate as "any" pistol at 20 yards. I demonstrated that to a friend by shooting empty .45 casings at 20 yards. I shot twice and hit both the ones he had set up for me. Accurate and dependable and inexpensive - yeah that's junk. I would never have bought the thing but LGS owner gave me a 30 day trial period. It fit my hand like a glove and I knew the first day I was going to love that pistol and I still do. I keep it next to where I sleep. I trust it as much as any pistol I own including some stuff everyone here would think was a good pistol - like a Sig P220.
Yea the bashing, assumptions, and snobbery does get old. When a Taurus firearm fails, people act like it's a common issue and it's proof that Taurus sucks. When a Glock, S&W, Ruger, etc fails, it's "no big deal, you just got a bad one...." I've owned a few Taurus firearms, and I currently EDC a Taurus M85 regularly. They've been just as good and as reliable as my more expensive firearms. I had more failures with my Glocks, XD Mod 2, and Ruger LCR, and never had even one issue with my Tauruses. Taurus might not spend as much money on, customer service and appearances aka fit and finish; however, they do work despite what the haters claim...

They aren't the Tauruses of the past. I'm not very active here on this forum, but I've been a lurker as well as a long time member of several other firearm related forums, and I'm not seeing many if any bad reviews and complaints like I used to see back in the day. Seems like they did a 180 arond the same time they lost the lawsuit, and the PT111 G2 came about. What I do still see is a double standard and bias when it comes to issues with Taurus pistols vs others...

Furthermore, we do not know the history or backstory of the revolver in question or what happened.

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Nice to see they are still to making junk!
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Coming off assembly lines, probably assembled with air tools there is going to be foul ups and lemons no matter what the
product. Human hands cost money. As far as guns go these were
rare occurrences before bean counters took over the gun companies. Having said that, at one time Taurus & Rossi were
fairly cheap compared to American brands. It was a case of you
get what you pay for. They are no longer cheap, maybe less than
American made but not much. The quality has improved some
but not to the level of USA guns. Gun for gun there is a lot more
problems with Taurus than any other handguns that guys drag
in here. If I was still in business of selling new guns I wouldn't
sell them. It wouldn't be worth the aggravation of customers bringing them back. The big box sporting goods stores operate
under a different business plan. Get it out the door and if there is
any problems they refer to makers customer service.
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It's a Taurus Model 85 Barrel.

I've seen this before, it's the result of an over torqued barrel, and it isn't exclusive to Taurus either. In fact, I've seen it more often on Rugers and to a lesser extent Smith & Wessons than I have Taurus, so all you "hurr hurr toris" people who like to parrot what you hear about firearms brands you don't actually own because your uncle's, sister's, cousin's former roommate owned one and it was allegedly of poor quality in ways which were never explained can give it a rest.

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I'm betting Taurus. Only revolver I ever had blow up in my hand was a
early vintage Taurus. Those early guns were a **** shoot.
Yikes! That must have been painful. How was your hand afterwards? Hopefully you didn't have to type that all out with only one hand, although it wouldn't surprise me if you did, assuming that it literally exploded in your hand.

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Yep, that sort of barrel failure can happen in most makes of revolvers. It's the result of the barrel being over torqued during assembly. If you want a revolver that is pretty much immune to this sort of failure, then you want a Dan Wesson with the interchangeable barrel system or a S&W with the sleeved barrel system.
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One of the few gilt-edge, solid gold, take-it-to-the-bank nuggets of information found on the Internet:

"Friends don't let friends buy Tauruses."
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It's a Taurus Model 85 Barrel.

I've seen this before, it's the result of an over torqued barrel, and it isn't exclusive to Taurus either. In fact, I've seen it more often on Rugers and to a lesser extent Smith & Wessons than I have Taurus, so all you "hurr hurr toris" people who like to parrot what you hear about firearms brands you don't actually own because your uncle's, sister's, cousin's former roommate owned one and it was allegedly of poor quality in ways which were never explained can give it a rest.



Yikes! That must have been painful. How was your hand afterwards? Hopefully you didn't have to type that all out with only one hand, although it wouldn't surprise me if you did, assuming that it literally exploded in your hand.
I speak for no one but myself, however I can tell you that I've owned 7 or 8 Taurus handguns (first was in 1985), and at this time I own none (nor do I see me ever owning anymore), as my experience was less then half of those were decent guns.

My first 2 or 3 were ok (at the time, they were about all I could afford), but after those, most of the ones I purchased were not that great (most would call them junk).

About 2 years ago a friend asked me to help him look for his first revolver, as we went looking, of course I recommended used S&W or Ruger, as he was limited in what he could spend.

He found a 6" Taurus .357 at a price he liked (about $250), and try as I could to talk him out of it, he bought it.

Let's just say it made it's way back to the "Taurus mother ship" within a month of his purchase.

Needless to say, he is now taking my advice and looking for a used S&W or Ruger.

But again, just my experience, and why I have no problem calling Taurus junk.

YMMV

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I hope the owner did a "Fitz" job on the surviving parts.
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I said before I have a Sig P220. I've had far more issues with it than I have either of my Taurus pistols. It does have a lot of rounds through it (the Sig) and I needed to replace the recoil spring which I did. But the trouble started from the very start with that pistol. Certain ammo would not function for more than a mag or two before I had to clean it. That was likely more a problem with the ammo than the gun but still I've never had any problems with either of my Taurus pistols.

Again they have made some real junk in the past. But if you do the research and find out which models work you can still get a good gun from them. See how many bad stories about a G2 you can find. That's the other model I own BTW. It functions perfectly but it isn't as accurate as the PT-145. Not many pistols are though especially for a short barrel model like it is.

I'm not saying they don't still make some bad stuff. I don't own all of them. I hear bad things about them too. Again I wasn't looking to buy one when I bought my first one. I was given a deal I couldn't pass up. And I was very glad I took it. I was actually looking to buy a Glock but they don't make them for people with large hands like I have apparently. I couldn't find a single model that fit my hand. The Taurus fit like a glove. I still checked reviews before I bought it and every one I saw said it was a great pistol.

I don't work for Taurus and I wouldn't say they are better than other makers. But they do make some very good pistols. I have two. I have other pistols that are good too. I carry a Springfield these days or sometimes the G2 because it is lighter. But again I absolutely love the PT-145. It has been amazingly good for me. The Sig is actually more accurate but considering it cost about 4X as much as either of my Taurus pistols it should be. But inside 20 yards they are equal in accuracy or close. The Taurus may be more accurate.

I would not suggest anyone buy a Taurus without doing a lot of research first. Some models are MUCH better than others.
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I have a Taurus Model 85 -- it shoots great and is accurate. No problems with my Taurus.
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