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As promised here's my latest build. I haven't fired it yet because it was completed yesterday. I was going for as small a package as possible and it came in at just under 24". The muzzle device adds a little extra length but is temporary I've got the paper work sent for a suppressor with quick detach when I receive that I'll switch it out. Rather then go through a complete explanation of the built I'll post pics of the various stages.
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I REALLY want a 300 AR...but for some reason factory ammo is still really high. It's like when I switched from 45 auto to 9mm, I wanted more ammo for the $$. I have an AR pistol that I'd love to convert to 300, but paying $.50+/rd isn't something I want to do at the moment.
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Nice. I built nearly a twin to it.
REALLY nice suppressed too!
I used that same brace on a .300 build and a 5.56 build and it is holding up well, very solid.
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I currently have 2 9mm ARs pistols and they are definitely cheaper to shoot.
I just got a wild hair to have something different. At this time I don't even have any ammo for the .300 but have ordered 500 processed brass, dies and bullets so that will make a little cheaper. I've got lots of powder but none of it would work very well in the .300. so I'll to decide on that. I like the idea of the suppressed .300 with subsonic they are super quiet and your pushing 220 gr bullet the same speed as a 124 gr 9mm.

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I REALLY want a 300 AR...but for some reason factory ammo is still really high. It's like when I switched from 45 auto to 9mm, I wanted more ammo for the $$. I have an AR pistol that I'd love to convert to 300, but paying $.50+/rd isn't something I want to do at the moment.
Where the .300 shines is if you have a suppressor or plan on one. .300 subs are nearly "movie quiet" with a rifle can. Supersonics aren't bad at all either.

Another advantage to the .300 is if you want or need something compact. They get up to their full practical velocity with a shorter barrel as compared to the 5.56. Dropping from 16" down to 7" or 8" with a 5.56 really hurts it's terminal performance, not so with the .300 Blackout.
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Where the .300 shines is if you have a suppressor or plan on one. .300 subs are nearly "movie quiet" with a rifle can. Supersonics aren't bad at all either.

Another advantage to the .300 is if you want or need something compact. They get up to their full practical velocity with a shorter barrel as compared to the 5.56. Dropping from 16" down to 7" or 8" with a 5.56 really hurts it's terminal performance, not so with the .300 Blackout.
This keeps coming up recently...once again, for myself here in Illinois, suppressors are 100% nope. Super-sucky.

I have a silly 7.5" AR pistol...mostly worthless, really. Tons of velocity loss, LOTS of noise, before I popped on a vortex flash hider...tons of flash, too.

If 300 doesn't come down in price, I'll probably land up converting my pistol to 9mm here sooner or later.

Then again...maybe I should just sell the thing and get a Scorpion EVO and call it a day.
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The .300 would be a little pricey to shoot if you have to buy factory loaded ammo, I roll my own so it puts the ammo at a price that's more reasonable still not as cheap as a 9mm though.
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The .300 would be a little pricey to shoot if you have to buy factory loaded ammo, I roll my own so it puts the ammo at a price that's more reasonable still not as cheap as a 9mm though.
What price/rd are you seeing reloading that round?
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Processed brass is costing me 10c per, powder about 6c, primer 4c and bullets depend a lot on type and manufacture. I'm going to start with supersonic 135gr Sierra's at 28c per, so with those components I'm looking at right around 50c. If your willing to process .556 brass yourself it would cut the price down and there are cheaper bullets you could use.
My thoughts are that you could get the price pre round down to about 35c if you shopped the deals.
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I bought Top Brass, reformed military at Cabela's just over 22 cents each. Berry's plated 220 grain for just under 23 cents. With WW196 takes less than 10 grains of powder (bought is 8 pound keg for 410 shotgun) and WSR primers at $33/K. Comes to just less than 53 Cents for sub sonic first loading. Remington factory Subsonic was 13.99/20 (70 cents). If I can reuse/find the fired brass should be 30 cents a round to reload.

I played with forming some brass to get a feel for it. I defiantly could save money, but I see 250 of so as a lifetime supply (if I can recover them!)

About 20 years ago, I made 200, 30 Mauser (7.65x25mm) brass from processed military 223 cases, in a little over an hour. These 7.62x33mm cases would be about the same or less work! Those 200 cases have lasted just fine so far! Being a little bigger, these SHOULD be easier to find. I also have an AR brass catcher (no such thing for the broom handle!)

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Sellier and Bellot brass cased boxer primed 147gr FMJ supersonic loads are 51 cents a round delivered from Target Sports USA if you are prime ammo member.
Part number SB300BLKB

I bought a couple of cases and so far so good.

You can also get Fiocchi 150 gr FMJ brass case boxer primed for 50 cents a round. Part number 300BLKC
I haven't shot the Fiocchi supersonic but I have shot their subsonic from this line and it has been good to go.
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The Saint 300 BO Pistol is my next purchase, I know the ammo is way pricy, but I'm going to suppress it and use it as a home defense weapon. I have my 556 pistol for the range. I know I could build one for half the price of the Saint, but getting the gas down correctly especially when suppressing it is very tricky.
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I haven't started to work up any subsonic loads yet because it will be a few months before my suppressor is approved. I'll probably use AA# 1680 powder because it seems to work well for sub and supersonic loads.
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In Central Ohio, AA1680 is expensive and sort of rare, so I save it for 22 Hornet and 221 Fireball WW296/H110 are common and reasonable!

I know heavy 30 cal bullets use a lot of lead, but most places are pricing the Sierra's like they have gold in the cores! The heaviest my "Stash" had in it were 190 Match Hornady. I used a few on a 308 Win. Sub sonic project a couple of years ago, the net result was: 300 Blackout made it a waste of resources!

I bought my suppressor with an original transfer date of July 1983. It took 6 months back then. Nobody used them at that time. Now everybody carries them and the prices have tripled. The cans are smaller, but not as effective. Mine is almost twice as lone as you regularly see but much quieter. I sit next to guys shooting super sonic 223 at the range and you hear some "explosion" noise, mine is just the super-sonic crack (like a 22 high Velocity). With sub-sonic ammo, all you hear from mine is the firing pin and action noise, plus maybe the empty case hitting heard ground.

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Natchez had free hazmat last week so I ordered 3lbs of 1680 at 24.49 each. I needed some small pistol and rifle primer also so I got 5000 each of those in the same shipment. You are correct Sierra bullets are a bit pricey but I've worked up many test loads using all type of bullets for my rifles and Sierra almost always comes in at the top of the bunch for accuracy.
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She's done, now on to the 300BO.
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I like it, the wood accent is a nice touch. Is the upper a PSA? They use that type of muzzle device on many of their uppers and kits.
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I like it, the wood accent is a nice touch. Is the upper a PSA? They use that type of muzzle device on many of their uppers and kits.
No, it is a Springfield Armory Saint Pistol 7.5" .556, just with a lot of up-grades made to it.
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My 300 BLK pistol deer hunting rig. I didn’t build it, just slapped a PSA upper onto a PSA lower , topped with a PA red dot.
I have another PSA lower on the way, might do an SBR, maybe just a carbine.
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I have another PSA lower on the way, might do an SBR, maybe just a carbine.
Nice, is that a brace or stock on it? Picture's too dark on the back side to tell.
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Pistol brace, a better pic. a stock would make it an SBR?
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Question: What is the make of this pistol brace and buffer tube?

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I am casually thinking of doing an AR pistol lower and this looks like a pretty good setup.

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By way of explanation for my interest in an AR pistol, here's my situation:

I have a 12.5" .300 BLK upper made by AAC I use with a Thunder Beast 30P-1 suppressor on top of an M16A1. It's a great rig.

For my subsonic rounds I have found H4198 to be just right. I'm loading about 10.9 grains behind a Hornady 208 grain A-Max at an overall length of 2.25". They function perfectly. In a 16" barrel you might need to reduce the powder a bit to keep them subsonic. I don't know how this load would do in a 7" barrel. I have a supply of AA1680 but haven't tried it yet. From all the reports it is a good choice too.

My problem is I want to hunt with the rig, but it is illegal to hunt with a machinegun (even set on semi-auto). At the same time it is illegal for me to use this upper on a semi-auto AR, so I'm stuck in the middle. To use my .300 BLK in the field I can either apply for an SBR ticket (for my semi AR) or I can mount the upper on a pistol lower. I could buy a 16" .300 upper, but then you mount the suppressor and it's ungainly long and would be hard to keep subsonic.

Here's a peek at my .300 BLK setup without the suppressor:





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The brace is a SB Tactical PDW they ain't cheap but I really like it.
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Where do you source it?

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Curl I'm not familiar with the game laws in VA but it's also illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon here in Missouri but there is a work around here.
By removing the 3-way selector and replacing it with a 2-way thus making it incapable of auto fire it would be legal here you'd have to check your laws to see if that would work for you.
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I bought that one off eBay for 190 which is about 30 bucks less than the normal price. There are numerous you can purchase them just try a google search or try a eBay search.
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Maybe a 2-way selector would work here too. I just don't know. The VA law says "no MGs". I wouldn't want to get in a tight spot over something like that if a game warden was having a bad day.

I see Midway has this item on sale right now!

Another question: What is the maximum length of extension?

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You certainly have a nice build. What suppressor do you plan to use?
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Fully extended the brace is 8 inches. I'll be using a YHM 7.62 Ultra Light Tactical which I've already purchased and just waiting for it to be released from jail.
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Andy-This has been a fun build and thread for me. I turned a Sig MPX into an SBR. 9mm is cheap and fun to shoot. What I didn’t know at the time is all the regulations on SBR’s. Such as notifying the NFA if you want to travel as well as seeking permission from each state you wish to drive through. When the ATF letter came out stating a pistol with a brace could be shouldered, that was a game changer. I bought a Sig PM400 pistol with a 11.3 inch barrel in 5.56. I shot it some and frankly it wasn’t enjoyable. Just loud and obnoxious. So it sat in my safe. Ultimately, I converted it to .300 Blackout and shoot mostly Subsonic rounds. I have a suppressor that works on both the MPX and PM400. Cost of .300 BLK isn’t really an issue for me because honestly I shoot 50 times as many rounds through the 9mm gun. Nice to have the capability of the .300BLK available. I don’t reload. Maybe when I retire. I enjoy hearing about you guys that do for future reference. Enjoy that new gun. Very nice looking piece. Well done sir.
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Andy-This has been a fun build and thread for me. I turned a Sig MPX into an SBR. 9mm is cheap and fun to shoot. What I didn’t know at the time is all the regulations on SBR’s. Such as notifying the NFA if you want to travel as well as seeking permission from each state you wish to drive through. When the ATF letter came out stating a pistol with a brace could be shouldered, that was a game changer. I bought a Sig PM400 pistol with a 11.3 inch barrel in 5.56. I shot it some and frankly it wasn’t enjoyable. Just loud and obnoxious. So it sat in my safe. Ultimately, I converted it to .300 Blackout and shoot mostly Subsonic rounds. I have a suppressor that works on both the MPX and PM400. Cost of .300 BLK isn’t really an issue for me because honestly I shoot 50 times as many rounds through the 9mm gun. Nice to have the capability of the .300BLK available. I don’t reload. Maybe when I retire. I enjoy hearing about you guys that do for future reference. Enjoy that new gun. Very nice looking piece. Well done sir.
Thank you from the complement I've been building ARs for many years but just started doing pistol about 3 years ago when Sig came out with their first brace and went back and forth with the ATF for a year and a half. The first one I built was for my daughter which has the first style Sig brace and the second was for a friend with the second style Sig brace he went all out on that beast, both are in 9mm. Pic #1 daughters, pics #2 friends.
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Love your daughter’s 9mm. I have a Colt AR9 that I kept in my trunk as I travelled because I could shoot it at indoor pistol ranges around a work territory. I’ve had a lot of fun with that one. I have a fair amount of experience shooting 9mm subguns like the HK MP5. That’s really how I ended up with my MPX and two tax stamps.........
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From a legal standpoint, are the pistol braces securely in the "legal" establishment? I haven't paid much attention, but I seem to remember there was some debate about it awhile back.

I am also a great fan of the 9mm in an AR. I have a 10.5" SMG 9mm upper for my M16, along with all the contrivances (magazine adapter block and magazines) to make it run. I think it is the most fun configuration and would certainly use that upper on a semi-auto pistol build.

By the way, I bought a bunch of 9mm magazines from SGAmmo.com. The "C-Products" magazines are perfect. Those that are branded "Colt" are made by C-Products - same thing. I see that the 20 round mags are still available in quantity on the SGAmmo site.

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Love your daughter’s 9mm. I have a Colt AR9 that I kept in my trunk as I travelled because I could shoot it at indoor pistol ranges around a work territory. I’ve had a lot of fun with that one. I have a fair amount of experience shooting 9mm subguns like the HK MP5. That’s really how I ended up with my MPX and two tax stamps.........
I'd love to have a MP5 but just can't justify the cost of one.
The one thing that's nice about the one I built for my daughter is it has a reduced lower and is less bulky that the colt style, both the 9mms have dedicated lowers.
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From a legal standpoint the braces are good to go for now and can be shouldered "occasionally" by the ATFs wording. Considering that the ATF only makes judgement calls as they interpret the law they could change their minds tomorrow.
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From a legal standpoint the braces are good to go for now and can be shouldered "occasionally" by the ATFs wording. Considering that the ATF only makes judgement calls as they interpret the law they could change their minds tomorrow.
I interpret “occasionally” as all times between reloads.....but that’s just me.
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I interpret “occasionally” as all times between reloads.....but that’s just me.
I like the way you interpret that. Honestly the chances of any shooter being challenged by the wording at a range are pretty slim.
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"Occasionally. . ." Hmmmm.

I can hear the testimony now:
"Your Honor, we had the defendant under surveillance day and night for six months. During that time he fired his AR pistol equipped with a brace a total of 583 times, of which he put the brace to his shoulder a total of 96 times. We consider that to be more than occasional shoulder use."

Fortunately, here is one they don't take issue with:





I posted it at this thread: DWM 1902 Carbine - 7.65mm ~ S/N 50100

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Andy,

When your brace is fully extended, how does compare in length to a fully extended carbine stock?

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Could you post a photo of it fully extended?

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The brace fully extended is 9 1/4" and carbine stock is 11".
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Is the buffer tube the same internally as a carbine buffer tube? In other words, does it use the same buffer and spring setup as a carbine?

Sorry to bother you.

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Internals are the same I just used a standard buffer and spring. The only down side so far that I seen is it's incredibly loud with supersonic ammo.
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Andy,

I've got to say you are an enabler!

I didn't go for the ultra fancy brace you have. I found Palmetto State Armory offers their complete pistol lower with an SBA3 brace and their Enhanced Polished Trigger Group for the princely sum of $220.00 delivered. I think this brace will do what I expect of it.

Here's mine with my 9mm SMG upper. I had it to the range last week and had a lot of fun with it. Function was flawless, as expected. Next I'll try it with my AAC 12-1/2" .300 BLK upper and TBAC silencer.





I can't say it is as much fun as the same setup on my M16A1 lower, but it is much more portable. Don't need the Fed's permission to take it out of state. As for the .300 BLK, this will be fully functional. I never really shot the .300 BLK on full-auto.

I have a Commando upper in 5.56mm. Now that is loud and unpleasant! It's usually what I use when shooting 5.56mm on the M16A1.

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Lots of enablers on this site...….
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Yup. Built one for each hand with pistol braces. I'm right handed and left eye dominant so the heavy one gets used with the Eotech on the week eye side.

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