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Shockwave, beyond the bugout.
Okay, we have established the Mossberg Shockwave is a cool home defense and bugout shotty. They are cool and handy, but what happens when all 'ell breaks loose and you have to think long term protection and food gathering. What are the capabilities of the Shockwave for sustaining a food supply, if say you only had the little shotty tucked safely in the trunk and were not able to get home for your main supplies? I've seen videos of guys shooting clays quite successfully and then I ran across this video ... hunting ... deer ... What says you ??? I found this an educational piece. The Shockwave beyond the cool toy in the safe. Capable within its limits.
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Shockwave is a toy, much like the Taurus Judge. No better than the pistol grip "cruiser" shotguns. Hard to fire accurately in a defense situation, where you need to aim a shotgun as accurately as a rifle.
Dump these movie-props and get a shotgun with a stock.
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I enjoyed this video,thanks for sharing it.
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Shockwave is a toy, much like the Taurus Judge. No better than the pistol grip "cruiser" shotguns. Hard to fire accurately in a defense situation, where you need to aim a shotgun as accurately as a rifle.
Dump these movie-props and get a shotgun with a stock.
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I thought the same thing, until I shot one. Have you?
They aren’t for everyone. If you watched the video in the OP you’ll see you have to raise them to eye level, aim, and shoot. Then they work great. I wouldn’t have thought to hunt deer with mine, but the guy in the video did fine with his.
Thanks for posting the video. Very informative.
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Sits by the side of the bed, with a Crimson Trace green laser. Even my wife, has been getting rather accurate with it. Just takes a bit of practice. We've shot many types of ammo through it, including the various mini-shells. Size wise, I think it's great!
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I have really enjoyed my Shockwave, despite all the nay sayers. No, you don't need a stock to make a shotgun useful. Not sure about hunting, but it still beats a spear. Anyone who kicks in my door will face one with 12 rounds of OO buck.
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Having now run a fair amount through a 590 shockwave, they're godawful until you put a brace on it. I can understand them in situations where you want a shotgun for whatever reason but space is incredibly limited, but if this is chilling in your trunk or by your bedside, just get a stocked 18" old 870 or wingmaster.
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I struggle to think of a scenario which would make one a good "trunk gun."
A home defense gun, particularly with something to aid aiming from the hip (laser), sure.
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Shockwave is a toy, much like the Taurus Judge. No better than the pistol grip "cruiser" shotguns. Hard to fire accurately in a defense situation, where you need to aim a shotgun as accurately as a rifle.
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Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch doesn’t seem to think it’s a toy. It may seem like a toy to someone who has never shot one or to someone who hasn’t shot one the correct way. About as good as most home defense guns. Here’s an excellent video of Clint showing how to operate a Shockwave or Remington TAC-14.
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I like both of mine. I bought the 20 gauge first. Then went back for the 12. Have lasers on both. Keep them in clarinet cases.
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Put a "brace" on it and it turns into a completely different weapon.
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So we pay $350 or so for Shockwave and another $200 for a brace. Why not just buy a regular shotgun?
In effect a brace turns it into a short barrel shotgun. I guess my point is that is the extra cost really worth it?
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First off, these shotguns are illegal where I live anyway, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.
However, I saw this video where Ian and Karl from Inrange are comparing short vs long shotguns, which I found to be quite interesting :
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In the event of SHTF day, I have several hacksaws if I redally need a short shotgun and in the event of SHTF the BATF if going to be low on my list.
Another thing all you gonna live off the land types. The natives in this countrry were very good at it, there were about 99.9 percent less of them than the current population. Some of them starved.
All the city people who plan on heading to the county. Let me ask you this. Things are tight, its dog eat dog. There are some good old boys that been there for years and then you, Joe city. Who is going to be unwelcome? Kinda like a Crow deciding to go camp out in Blackfoot country. They are not going to welcome you with open arms.
If I ever had to go live off the land a shock wave wouldn't be on my list anywhere. Ammo is heavy. 22 lr are light. For the weight of a Shockwave and 100 rounds of ammo, I can have 50 or more small cable snares that will hunt for me 24/7. A small folding shovel weighs less and I could dig a ton of cattail roots with it.
What you say defensive. Some piles of gravel strategically placed around my perimeter all containing a charge of black powder and some speaker wire.
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I've got one in each gauge/bore. Love 'em . . .
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I've got the Shokwave in 12 & 20 and they are handy for certain situations and a lot more accurate then most people believe. The original poster's video is very well made and I enjoyed it. Thanks.
The fellow making the video knows the gun, it's ammunition and his limitations which makes all the difference.
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So we pay $350 or so for Shockwave and another $200 for a brace. Why not just buy a regular shotgun?
In effect a brace turns it into a short barrel shotgun. I guess my point is that is the extra cost really worth it?
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$200 ? I picked up my brace kit for $90 on sale.
Even if it was $200, that would be the same price as the tax in order to get a permission slip.
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First off I'm not a shotgun guy...... but do have several Mossberg and O/U.
I'm with Steelslaver on this one...... while they look coooool some may even say Tacticoool..... but
At 26.37" OAL is only 8" shorter than my Mossberg 510 youth model.....like Steelslaver if I'm faced with the SHTF/TEOTWAWKI/Zombies I can knock off a quick 7".
At 27.37 it's only 3 inches shorter than my Beretta CX4 which has a 20 (or30) round magazine.
Even my Winchester Trapper is only 34" and it holds 9+1 .357s
If you like them fine........ as a survival self-defense weapon..... it would be way down on my list.
Following up of Steelslaver comment. City folk heading to Penn's woods had better know the folks where they are going ...... cus unless they are recognized through a 10 power scope...... I suspect all greeting will be....... delivered well beyond the range of a Shockwave!!!!!!
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Contrary to what certain ignorant folks who honestly shouldn't comment on such things will mindlessly repeat until the end of time, Short Barrel =/= Poor Accuracy.
Firearms with short barrels are certainly less accurate at long range when compared directly with the exact same firearm with a longer barrel, but even then the difference in most cases is extremely marginal, hence why a direct comparison is required to even notice the difference.
Oh, and I should add that such differences in accuracy are typically best noted when comparing extremely different barrel lengths like a 1.75" snubby barrel vs a 7.5" barrel, or an 18" barrel vs a 30" barrel. Not a 14" barrel vs an 18" barrel.
I must admit that I find it amusingly ironic that certain folks constantly choose to write off short-barreled shotguns as things which are only effective in movies, yet they seem to be under the impression that the massive spread that comes out the barrel of shortguns often shown in movies is 100% accurate based on their comments in regards to the accuracy of said firearms.
Also, I love the complete absence of common sense coming from these people... Honestly, Police and the Military have been using shotguns with even shorter barrels than that of the Shockwave to great effect for decades, but apparently they're just useless gimmicks that are objectively inferior in any given situation to your typical shotgun with a stock and a measly 4" of barrel length. Oh well, I suppose the Military/LE just doesn't know any better... If only the Military/LE had the vast amount of experience shooting firearms as the average opinionated forum-goer...
No seriously, that wasn't sarcasm, I'm sure that if the Military/LE had only fired shotguns with 18"+ barrels then they too would make the hasty supposition that a shotgun with a 14" barrel is completely inaccurate/worthless. On second thought, nevermind...Only a complete buffoon would think that shortening a shotgun's barrel by a mere 4" would render it completely inaccurate.
Last but not least, I've said this before and I'll say it as many times as necessary, anyone who refers to a firearm as a toy in a derogatory sense shouldn't own a firearm, nor should they have children because they lack the proper respect and knowledge of the objective lethality of all firearms. Honestly, if that's how you feel, then you might as well go sell your firearms and put your kids up for adoption because you're clearly not mature enough to be trusted with either.
Oh but there is another option, grow up. Stop acting like an ignorant child who constantly injects his opinion on matters he doesn't understand into discussions between folks who know better. The grown ups are talking, and if you want to join in then you need to know what you're talking about. Until then, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done until approximately one minute for each year you've walked the Earth has passed, then either go get educated or go play with the other boys who call deadly weapons toys.
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Quit the rant................ Dirty Harry as the Forum's self appointed moderator of common sense!
Barrel length hasn't been the topic of discussion with the shockwave..... the discussion has been focused on (1) full stock vs. pistol grip.... and (2) practicality vs other options.
I'd love to have a short barreled shotgun ......barrel ending at the end of the magazine tube........................but given the option I would want a full ( maybe shortened LOP ) stock vs a 4" shorter barrel and a pistol grip .
It's generally recognized that a 2" barrel on a model 36 will stabilize a bullet as well as a 6 inch gun......all the rest is increased muzzle velocity and sight radius....
To my knowledge......Police Dept have been using 14" shotguns for years.
I may be wrong .... happened once before ...... but I think the most common use in the military for pistol grip shotguns is as a breaching tool.......
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Unless and until you actually shoot a Shockwave, you really shouldn’t cast aspersions. The birds head grip makes all the difference to me vs a pistol grip. With a red laser properly sighted.........
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Unless and until you actually shoot a Shockwave, you really shouldn’t cast aspersions. The birds head grip makes all the difference to me vs a pistol grip. With a red laser properly sighted.........
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If you are referring to my comments...... I did not casting aspersions.... seen them, handled them, watched a number of videos on shooting them... have not shot one. Fact is while they are in the LGSs I don't think Iknow anyone who owns one. Doesn't mean I can't share my thoughts and rational on why I decided not to get one.
All guns have their merits and weaknesses......one of the reasons we come here is to share pros and cons and opinions.
The Shockwave seem to meets need or fill a niche in some,maybe a lot of folks battery of guns.........for me; not so much.
As I said above.... if you like them fine....... I've got other shotguns and they didn't score high on my list of must haves.
Edit: just reread the original post.........if you were facing a "long term survival situation" with a "gun you keep in your [car] trunk" would you really make a Shockwave your first choice....... or would it be more like the WWII .45 Liberator.... a gun you'd use to get a better gun?
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$200 ? I picked up my brace kit for $90 on sale.
Even if it was $200, that would be the same price as the tax in order to get a permission slip.
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Good point. Hadn’t thought of that.
Might have to look into a 20ga Shockwave with a brace. Shot the 12ga several times. But for around the house a 20ga is fine.
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After watching that video, all I know for certain is that a 14" shotgun loaded with low-recoil buckshot will never be my 'go to' hunting rig.
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I like shoguns, and I have a number of them, but I don't like shockwave/cruiser type weapons. My buddy has the Remington and Mossberg 14" and I've shot them - I've tried to like them, but I just don't like the bird's head grip and not having a stock. To me, they're awkward to shoot. If I could put a vertical grip on the fore end, it'd be a different story...
For me, I can't justify spending money on one of those and a brace to get a package that's a little shorter than an 870 or 590 with a youth stock and 18" barrel.
I'm kind of curious about Remington's semi-auto version, though!
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I have an Ithaca 87 Stakeout(NFA=$5.00) and a Remington 870 Tac 14.I have had the Ithaca for over 30 years(1988) and they have a use if you live in a house/apt.and have to walk around with a shotgun.They are easier to use in tight places,especially going up/down stairs.Survival if in a tent or vehicle.They will not replace a good hunting shotgun for food,but they do have a place in your battery of weapons.
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The Shockwave might be legal in New Jersey. But I would not get one, as it would totally ruin my day to have to explain to a cop, prosecutor, judge or jury why it’s legal for me to have a shotgun with a barrel well under 18 inches.
It would go down something like this:
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Me: “It’s not a shotgun”
Judge: “Trial is set for three months from today”
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Is it really that hard to explain? Heck, you could probably just direct them to the product page on Mossberg's website where the letter from the ATF is posted.
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Is it really that hard to explain? Heck, you could probably just direct them to the product page on Mossberg's website where the letter from the ATF is posted.
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What does a letter from ATF have to do with whether a Shockwave is legal in New Jersey.
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Hasn’t New Jersey already ruled the Shockwave is legal?
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If they're illegal in New Jersey then obviously you wouldn't be able to buy one in the first place because no LGS would carry them and no out of state gunshop could transfer one into New Jersey either, ergo I assumed that your post was referring to the possibility of local law enforcement being unaware of the Shockwave's Nation-wide legal status as a non-NFA firearm.
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Wow!
Where is that from?
Still not getting one but thank you for the information
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Your honor, it's the same difference as if I buy an AR and drop in a homemade auto sear with a fun button. One's legal, one's not. See you in three months. Bring your checkbook (and my shotgun) . . .
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The Shockwave might be legal in New Jersey. But I would not get one, as it would totally ruin my day to have to explain to a cop, prosecutor, judge or jury why it’s legal for me to have a shotgun with a barrel well under 18 inches.
It would go down something like this:
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Me: “It’s not a shotgun”
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Seem to be two schools of thought on the Shockwaves... folks seem to be either.... "I have um and love them".......... or ........ you're "No thanks, they're not for me!"
Neither is wrong............
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I could put a vertical grip on the fore end, it'd be a different story...
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Is there some legal prohibition on vertical grips? The Shockwaves are classified as firearms under federal law.
I believe the vertical grips are legal, just awkward.
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Shockwave is a toy, much like the Taurus Judge. No better than the pistol grip "cruiser" shotguns. Hard to fire accurately in a defense situation, where you need to aim a shotgun as accurately as a rifle.
Dump these movie-props and get a shotgun with a stock.
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Hey, a Taurus Judge has helped me dispatch a couple of snakes at uncomfortably close range, so it is definitely not a toy, it’s just not a decent gun for anything other than killing snakes at close range. In the summer, I’m usually carrying around a Taurus Judge or a Bond Snakeslayer, which I put in the same category. I don’t consider the Bond a decent SD gun because it has an enormously ridiculous trigger pull weight.
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Is there some legal prohibition on vertical grips? The Shockwaves are classified as firearms under federal law.
I believe the vertical grips are legal, just awkward.
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I "think' a vertical fore-grip turns it into a class III "Any other weapon"
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You know, for all the folks who avoid buying these due to concerns about legal troubles, complete with scenarios regarding potential arguments made in the courtroom against the firearm's objective legality, I've yet to read a single case of any such incident occurring.
I mean, these non-NFA "PGO Firearms" have been out for over a year now and by all accounts have been hot sellers, so you'd think that by now there'd be at least one example of someone having to defend themselves against the legions of inept Police Officers, Prosecutors, Attorneys, and Judges who are supposedly just itching to put anyone/everyone away who uses one in self-defense.
*sighs*
I swear, it's as if I've seen these exact same ignorant arguments before somewhere... Like there was some other extremely popular firearm with a short barrel and a pistol grip that fired shotshells but wasn't legally considered a shotgun, yet everyone insisted early on that owning one was a legal liability, that it was more of a gimmick or range toy than a legitimate weapon, and that there was no reason to choose one over more conventional options, but as time went on pretty much all of those arguments were rendered invalid, at least to anyone with a lick of sense... Nah, must be my imagination, otherwise folks would have learned from such an example and wouldn't be repeating the same arguments all over again.
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Edit: just reread the original post.........if you were facing a "long term survival situation" with a "gun you keep in your [car] trunk" would you really make a Shockwave your first choice....... or would it be more like the WWII .45 Liberator.... a gun you'd use to get a better gun?
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If you don't mind murdering someone to get their better gun, sure.
I think this falls under the same category as the SHTF plan that just involves weapons and the desire to rob/steal what is needed vs. buying it beforehand.
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If you don't mind murdering someone to get their better gun, sure.
I think this falls under the same category as the SHTF plan that just involves weapons and the desire to rob/steal what is needed vs. buying it beforehand.
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Not what I was saying... nor my plan..... if you read all my posts above,I see no "practical use" for the Shockwave vs. a full stock 18" shotgun...and....... I don't own one.
My point vs the OP's post........ the Shockwave as a long term survival weapon.... seems about as useful..... as the WWII Liberator single shot .45..... which was dropped into occupied Europe as a "weapon" for the Resistance to use to get/Liberate German weapons.
On second thought ........ guess it would depend who you are killing to get a better weapon.......Nazi occupation troops...... Red Dawn invaders....... or the guy next door?????? What's the line from the Meatloaf song ....... "two out of three ain't bad"
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Not what I was saying... nor my plan..... if you read all my posts above,I see no "practical use" for the Shockwave vs. a full stock 18" shotgun...and....... I don't own one.
My point vs the OP's post........ the Shockwave as a long term survival weapon.... seems about as useful..... as the WWII Liberator single shot .45..... which was dropped into occupied Europe as a "weapon" for the Resistance to use to get/Liberate German weapons.
On second thought ........ guess it would depend who you are killing to get a better weapon.......Nazi occupation troops...... Red Dawn invaders....... or the guy next door?????? What's the line from the Meatloaf song ....... "two out of three ain't bad"
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...............new guys should listen and learn....... or at least be open to other's opinions. Unless I agree with you I'm a "Troll"
Mods........ see my posts # 19 and 37...... suggest lock this thread............. if we can't have reasonable discourse and differing opinions ..............maybe more should go the way of the Ringo Kid....
... Personally offended ..........rant over.
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WAIT WAIT.
"BEYOND THE BUG OUT" Weapons aside just where is it that hundreds of millions of people will ALL go, armed to the teeth, to live off the land? The sound of 1 shot will not only bring the Zombies, but other buggerouters as well. If it ever comes, I hope I'm at ground zero.
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"BEYOND THE BUG OUT" Weapons aside just where is it that hundreds of millions of people will ALL go, armed to the teeth, to live off the land? The sound of 1 shot will not only bring the Zombies, but other buggerouters as well. If it ever comes, I hope I'm at ground zero.
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All them city slickers will come infest my neck of the woods out in the country, and probably get shot by the natives.
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In the event of SHTF day, I have several hacksaws if I redally need a short shotgun and in the event of SHTF the BATF if going to be low on my list.
Another thing all you gonna live off the land types. The natives in this countrry were very good at it, there were about 99.9 percent less of them than the current population. Some of them starved.
All the city people who plan on heading to the county. Let me ask you this. Things are tight, its dog eat dog. There are some good old boys that been there for years and then you, Joe city. Who is going to be unwelcome? Kinda like a Crow deciding to go camp out in Blackfoot country. They are not going to welcome you with open arms.
If I ever had to go live off the land a shock wave wouldn't be on my list anywhere. Ammo is heavy. 22 lr are light. For the weight of a Shockwave and 100 rounds of ammo, I can have 50 or more small cable snares that will hunt for me 24/7. A small folding shovel weighs less and I could dig a ton of cattail roots with it.
What you say defensive. Some piles of gravel strategically placed around my perimeter all containing a charge of black powder and some speaker wire.
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Agree 100%.
One of the things most of the city/suburban " live off the land " types forget is that most of us who live in the rural areas are not going to welcome the newcomers who will be stealing and killing our livestock and camping out on our property. As far as killing and eating wildlife goes, how long do they think the supply of rabbits, squirrels and deer is going to last when hundreds of new "hunters" are out combing the landscape for food? I give it about 2 weeks. I haven't even addressed the issue of water.
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Beyond the bugout aspects of a firearm I find it interesting what they are capable of on their own merits. Thus why I started the thread. I am no longer a hunter, but the maker of this video was thinking outside the box. His passion for hunting introduced a "What if" moment. I admire him for this. It answered some questions I had.
Using a shockwave for any purpose may certainly be beyond some folks comfort level as much as handgun hunting or using an AR for hunting are for others. The point of my original post was hey, this firearm is capable of more than home defense. Who ever would have thought of hunting big game with a Glock... I guess I look at the world differently... life is an adventure. Besides I would be more inclined to bug-in.
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Not what I was saying... nor my plan..... if you read all my posts above,I see no "practical use" for the Shockwave vs. a full stock 18" shotgun...and....... I don't own one.
My point vs the OP's post........ the Shockwave as a long term survival weapon.... seems about as useful..... as the WWII Liberator single shot .45..... which was dropped into occupied Europe as a "weapon" for the Resistance to use to get/Liberate German weapons.
On second thought ........ guess it would depend who you are killing to get a better weapon.......Nazi occupation troops...... Red Dawn invaders....... or the guy next door?????? What's the line from the Meatloaf song ....... "two out of three ain't bad"
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I think you're being a bit sensitive. This is the general you, not the "hey BAM-BAM I'm talking to YOU" you.
Many writers and filmmakers have romanticized the "occupier" as someone who is easy to shoot. As you point out, it could be the guy next door. Or a family of five with a sick kid who just need a warm place to stay and something to eat...but the husband won't give up the gun in his hands and threatens to simply camp out in your front yard. Are you going to blow him away? Not too many content creators tackle these topics because there are no heroes.
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My point vs the OP's post........ the Shockwave as a long term survival weapon.... seems about as useful..... as the WWII Liberator single shot .45..... which was dropped into occupied Europe as a "weapon" for the Resistance to use to get/Liberate German weapons.
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Mad Max did okay in the post-apocalypse world with a short barrel double. I like to think that if the Shockwave had been available, he'd be carrying one . . .
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