Sounds to me like a guy that could use some coaching or a mentor. Sometimes that's all it takes to get a mouthy guy in line.

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You did the right thing. I hate to hear of a guy like that wearing, and tarnishing the badge.

To use the term "civilian pukes" scares me. This person doesn't need to be a LEO. Someone like him can inflict much harm and pain to us good people.

ETA: On the other hand, I wonder what his reaction would have been if you told him "I don't refund money to pig pukes like you."

The last job I had before I retired at seventy-one was a customer service gig, just for the benefits. I frequently got irate people wanting me to break federal law and yelling, "You don't understand, I'm a doctor/lawyer/dentist/whatever."

I always hoped the last call I took would be one of those schmucks, so I could say, "You don't understand, sir, I'm a *******."

I did have one jerk, a woman, who said, "You don't understand, I'm a senior citizen, I'm fifty-eight."

I replied, truthfully, "Actually I do understand, ma'am, I'm seventy." Silence.

The guy who bought your gun should know the SOP if he can't take a joke.

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Oh well, what the hell.

Yup, I would have packed things up and tipped my hat to him at that point. But if he was already making a fuss over your buy-back offer without the ammo you had provided him, I might not have lasted that long. Favor? You're asking for a favor? That is something you do for a friend.

If I piss off a cop I want to know his jurisdiction. Then I will never go there. A routine traffic stop can get real unreal in a hurry. I wish I were kidding.

It amazes me how some people are so entitled. First of all cops ARE civilians. Him saying that to me I would have told him our business is done and he’s an *********.

Even if he hadn’t said that and the deal went through, I’ve never met anybody who wouldn’t think it was fair to compensate you for the ammo he shot. It’s like eating a meal at a restaurant and then not paying.

As for retaliation, it’s a real possibility. I would definitely watch my speedometer in his area but I’d also be ready to record him if he did pull me over. Normally I don’t like nailing cops but this guy shouldn’t be wearing a uniform anyway. I might even make a preemptive strike and file a complaint with his chief detailing the flipping out and civilian puke comment. Depends on the location. In NYC, an area not so cop friendly, they’d warn you hands off.

And i ALWAYS give a receipt showing transferring of gun and which ffl it went through and going to. Also shows no refunds available.

The OP is from Atlanta, Georgia. If the cop in question works for the Atlanta PD, they’re a big enough agency and not some small town department. Small town cops tend to get away with that over big city.

Still, I don’t have it in me to be pushed around. Giving into him would not be an option. I once got my *** kicked pretty good by a bigger guy in a bar. He was looking for a fight and totally out of line. Just couldn’t back down. I did get a few shots in though. Bruises fade to the body, never to the soul.

I’ve sold dozens of guns. Never traded one in to a gun shop. Not gonna take that kind of a loss. I once considered selling my 67-1. Need perfect shape. Gunshop owner offered me $150. I laughed. I do prefer to do online only. Don’t wanna deal with people. I also have a 100% rating on GB.

Run a check on a person for a private matter? Since when is that allowed?

Where I worked, that guaranteed a trip to the sidewalk with your stuff in a copy paper box. One of the few for certain without recourse "You're fired" offenses . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Me too. As it should be. Don’t like the kid dating your daughter? Run his name and the name of his family members! Get cut off by a guy in your private car? Get his plate and pay him a visit! Have a neighbor that you don’t like? Run him for warrants! Way too easy to abuse.

But this cop in question sounds like he’s young and still thinks that Shield he wears is bulletproof. I recall thinking I was above the law when I was a rookie. Parking on the sidewalk? No problem! Have another beer before getting behind the wheel? I’m fine and who’s gonna hassle me? Thankfully that phase was VERY short! There’s even a phrase for it. “MasterShield. Don’t leave home without it”.

The real issue is that in most states, it's a felony. It's also very easy to track, and the agency can lose its ability to access those services if an audit turns up too many non-duty related inquiries

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Oh I know. I recall a few times cops getting the access codes of other cops to use them, or jumping on before another cop logged off to avoid it. Mostly guys getting paid by bad guys to run plates.

I worked with an individual who was a former California department patrolman apparently he decided to go into a differnent line of work, quit & returned to college. That's when I met him after he was hired at my work (medical field) acute care hospital. I will not go into details regarding my job title or his but one day he walks into an ICU Patient room while the housekeeper is cleaning / mopping the floor, she says "Floor's wet, you can't walk in right now" or similar words. His reply 'You can't tell me what to do' proceeds to walk in. I find it amusing that professions change but personality / entitlement remains the same. Because in his mind, he's much higher up the food chain than a lowly room cleaner..

Let's say labor at $40 per hour. I feel really sorry for someone so dense it took them almost 3 hours to change springs...

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I'm not a cop, but I would think a lot of departments wouldn't approve a 1960's era pistol made in the old communist Eastern Bloc that uses a fairly esoteric ammo like 9mm Makarov. It's not like you can just stroll into your local Walmart and buy a box of that stuff.

I used to have a Bulgarian Makarov PM. I thought it was a good gun but even for civilian concealed carry there are a lot of newer, lighter, guns with higher capacities that don't shoot 9mm Slav - like a Shield.

Yes, tell him to pound sand. He can get a sand hammer at Lowe's, but it won't be free.

Seriously, civilian pukes??? Sorry but he sounds like a badge bully to me.

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Smith, and Wesson, and Me.

I don’t get it. Someone you don’t know insults you while wanting to buy something from you, and you go ahead and make the deal? Then you are surprised when he disses you again later?Anytime I am buying or selling anything and someone is the least bit disrespectful, the conversation is over and I walk.

Sunnyd... im with you on that.... If a Business deal starts becoming twisted and I feel im about to be used...I just get up and walk out...Did it on a Home sale, a Car Dealership, and more then 1 Firearm deal...My time and self respect are worth a lot to me.

The two men had business near where I live and ran by my home afterward to pick up the S&W 908s. I did not know the other man, but I know he doesn’t have much of a future with that department.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Sure you did

Agreed 1000% Faulkner.

With such a disdainful attitude towards us "civilian pukes", it seems to me it wouldn't be out of line to make a call to his chain of command and let them know that he needs some coaching and an attitude adjustment towards the people he is supposed to be serving.

To me, that kind of mindset doesn't bode well for his future interaction with the public. Could be a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

I caught that as well. And I don’t think it would have been legal for them to “run a check” on you in this instance.

WHAT did you do last lifetime?
Aren't you the fellow that got hammered in the middle of a box shipping deal?
If so, STOP interacting with anybody about gun deals unless they are a trusted old friend, and ALL expectations are written, signed, and notarized by all parties and two fair witnesses.

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Regards,
Lee Jarrett

Spent much of my adult life in LE, and never heard the term "civilian puke". Incredible badge heavy arrogance. FWIW though, there does seem to be a mentality with some in LE that firearms, related gear and ammo should be their's for "pennies on the dollar" due to their special and exalted LE status......ymmv

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I and my primary shooting buddy shoot about every week at a commercial indoor range where we both are members. The other day some officers were doing some type of qualification. They occupied all the left side of the range and we had the two remaining points on the right. My buddy and I seldom interact while shooting and this time we especially stayed to ourselves. The range can be programmed for various shooting scenarios, which we do frequently. As I reload, I went to the far left side of the range to retrieve the broom to sweep our brass to the right side wall for later pickup. As I got the broom, the officer in charge gave me a real dirty look. As usual, after shooting, we went to the lounge and had a coke and shot the breeze. I told my buddy how that OIC reacted. I said that if our shooting distracted those officers, maybe they need more training. My buddy said, "I think I'll find out when they qualify next and make it a point to come and shoot!" He elaborated about officers who have an attitude of privilege. BTW both of us are retired law enforcement officers.

Gee I wonder did he find out he couldn't carry the gun before or after he shot the boxes of ammo?
What a jerk.

My reply to his desire of a full refund after shooting $75.00 of the sale would have been something like:
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, you were serious?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Yep. That pretty much sums it up.

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What would Jim Cirillo do?

Worst thing you can do is insult LEO pride, or challenge their authority.

I repeat: I'd advise OP to give all the money back. Beats losing teeth and ending up in jail.

I always want a signed, dated and timed bill of sale for any firearm that I buy or sell. If I sell a gun and it is later used in a crime, I have something to show where it went and EXACTLY WHEN.

You were right to ask for the ammo back or agree to a refund with a reduction. Pretty nice of you to be willing to do that.

Bob

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Sag Harbor & Manhattan, N.Y.

LEO's, doctors and airline pilots...nothing better than a good one, nothing worse than a bad one...

Law Enforcement has Its share of Jerks as any other profession.

As with any job we have our fair share of jerks (saying it nicely).

This clown isn’t bright enough to realize that “civilian puke” driving by may be your best friend when fighting with a bad guy.

I always choose to treat people how I wanted to be treated until it was time to do other but that’s how I was raised, not trained.

You handled the situation 100% correct by taking the high road.

Never understood people thinking their problems or buyer's remorse goes back to the seller. If you are a gun dealer, then maybe your policy involves 'no questions asked' returns, but private individuals should never have to be treated like they're WalMart.

Sometimes you just can't win with some folks, no matter how accommodating you are.

A couple of years back I sold a 120 year old rifle from a small collection I had. I spent weeks sending this bloke all the photos he wanted and answering all his questions. He eventually purchased it 'sold as is'. The rifle was wonderful in every respect, save a small chip out of the stock which I of course pointed out. As it was a collectors pieces I don't like to 'restore' or 'refinish' such guns.

So all was good, he said the rifle had arrived and he was happy.

.....SIX MONTHS LATER.. he wrote me wanting his money back...AND.. he had repaired/refinished the stock...!

Well, needless to say I politely told him that due to the repairs he had done and the time that had elapsed I was not going to refund his purchase as it was wholly unreasonably. I found myself on the receiving end of some very unpleasant replies.

You just can't please some folks.

Cheerio,

Roy

Unless I am buying something that comes with a pre-agreed inspection period, I assume that if I say I am buying it, I am buying it and only have recourse if immediately see and can prove that it was misrepresented. Can you say "Caveat Emptor"

Bob

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Sag Harbor & Manhattan, N.Y.

This sort of a individual LE buyer will try to tell you that his purchase, especially on a new gun, is exempt of FET. Not so per BATF in DC at technical branch. Just a negotiating ploy. Only certain purchases bypass FET and individual officer purchases aren't one of them.

Some buyers just get a case of purchaser's remorse. Gotta protect yourself from them. Above all, always be fair and just, but nothing requires one to go way above and beyond.

Yep that’s right give in to the bully and perpetuate his arrogant behavior. No freaking way!

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I told you not to use Lifebuoy

News flash! Cops are other peoples' children, too. I accept no responsibility for how they were raised or how they behave.

The badge comes with responsibility, not entitlement.

That was over a year ago. That officer got involved in a domestic violence situation with his live-in girl friend (also a LEO) and both lost their jobs.

I'd point out two things. First, the police are civilians. I know that they don't like that but they are. Secondly, I'd tell him that I'd rather starve to death than to suck the government teat for a living because the only people who work for the government are those who are too incompetent to make it in the real world.

I am retired from the USPS.

NO WAY! I strongly disagree with that. The guy is obviously a jerk and sounds like he uses his position to intimidate. No way would I let him get by with it. You’ve taken the right stand in this dealing and he is way out of line.

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SWHF #691

Actually he’s not much of an officer if he’s calling you a civilian puke. At that point he would cease being my friend and become the object of an IA investigation.

See? Karma can be a real stinker sometimes. Don'tcha just love it?

His live-in love monkey was also a LEO? And both lost their jobs?? Golly, doesn't get much better than that, does it?

Happy endings like that just make me...uh...well...happy!!

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Pack light and cinch tight.

Gentlemen, I think Bruce has received enough...feedback on his situation of 15 months ago, so thread closed.

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220