Well, I took my new .32 Seecamp out to the range today. Fired a total of 77 rounds thru it. Two Gold Dot HP, 50 shortened FMJ and 25 home rolled with a Sierra JHP. I had two failures to feed, both with the shortened FMJ. I kept 75 of the 77 rounds inside the #7 scoring ring at 7 yards, which I believe is adequate for the intended use of the weapon. If you don't grip it firmly you can get dinged slightly by the trigger guard. It was interesting, and fun, and I probably am not going to hurry to do it again.

(I also took out my prehistoric Target Masterpiece and put 96 rounds thru it, 48 158 gr RNL and 48 Berrys 158 Gr plated flat-nose. It actually liked the plated bullets better and shoots much better than I can hold. Some day I will have to try to find a pair of square shoulder stocks for it.)

I'm a sucker for .32 of any variety.

Where are the pics?

working on pics.

Why do folks like the .25 and .32 for self defense use? They are so anemic for that purpose and there are so many other better choices available in more potent calibers??? Just don't get it! Don't get me wrong, I am not volunteering to stand in front of you guys that like em and let you shoot at me!!!

They are tiny and easy to hide.

Isn't the Seecamp only supposed to work with .32 Silvertips?

I personally also love the .32 ACP. I carry one most days - either a Beretta Model 81 or a Colt 1903.

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I'd add 22 Long Rifle to that list, though all these calibers have killed a lot of folks over the years.

I personally carry a more powerful caliber, but I'm confident that a well placed shot with a .32 FMJ will ruin a bad guy's day.

.25 and .22 I'm less enthusiastic about, but I do wish I'd kept that beautiful Beretta Bobcat I had years ago.

Win ST was the original spec, but now take most any HP.

I bought a 32 Seecamp, in 2002 I think, and have yet to fire it. Whats funny is when I got it home I played around with only it for several days and after that I picked up my .40 Chiefs Special and the CS felt like a Desert Eagle 44 mag. Weird.

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The reason people bad mouth 32ACP, is they have very little or NO experience with the round! Especially in quality handguns!

As a kid, my father always carried a Colt 1908. He dispatched angry dogs. and even one night shot a moue off the curtain rod (Boy was mom mad!)

My first 32ACP was a nazi police Walther PPk. I did a number of penetration tests with American FMJ, German FMJ and Winchester STHP. The American FMJ is a little light but the other two are just fine for warm and cool weather clothing, perhaps better than American 380 FMJ!

But it always comes down to personal preference.

Ivan

Why any .32 cal?
My Beretta 81 .32 acp is the only semi-auto I shoot decently. 10 rounds center mass.
Ruger LCR .327 Fed Mag, 6 rounds most center mass. .32 H&R mag 6 rounds center mass.
J frame Smith .38 or .357 5 rounds maybe 2 center mass.

Basic odds favor the .32.

Yes, I love shooting the bigger calibers but in a K or N frame.
.38, .357, 45 acp. 45LC, 41 mag
Smaller frames, no thanks.

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As stated above, the 60 grain Winchester Silvertip and Seecamp .32 were made for each other, but other ammo manufacturers have begun making similar cartridges. My Milford, CT Seecamp .32 only likes the Winchester 60 grain Silvertip and Hornady Custom 60 grain XTP loads. The MAGTECH Guardian Gold 65 grain JHP do not feed reliably in it, yet work fine in my Walther PP and my son’s Seecamp, a Southwyck, CT made gun.

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I'm not sure I want to put 77 rounds of ANY caliber, in one session, through a handgun that small.

Those Seecamps were designed as a deep cover "get off me" persuader. Or, a Sunday go to meetin' gun.

I remember shortly after they came out, the wait list was something like 18 months.

I agree about the sentiment on .25acp, but not so the .32s . If going smaller than 9x19 or .38spl , I would rather have a .32acp than a .380 . Take that however you as to bashing .380, and liking .32acp on purpose .

I think John Browning hit some magical formula when he created the little .32 ACP.

I’m not a Marshall and Sanow fan, but their findings usually ranked the .32 auto pretty high.

More recently Greg Ellifritz’s take on stopping power put the mighty .32 at the top of the heap, at least according to his chart below.

It sure is an easy round to shoot, especially out of a decent sized gun like my Beretta or Colt, or a PPK. Maybe that and it’s deep penetrating FMJ bullet make it more effective than it looks on paper.

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If I got it right I have attached a photo of both the Seecamp and the Target Masterpiece mentioned. Hard to imagine two more differently intended pistols. As mentioned in an earlier post I got the Seecamp with three extra magazines with extensions (about $85 each right now) original box and all paperwork for $425. It appeared to be unfired. The magazines were still in heat sealed bags. Paperwork all clean, as was the box. I think I got lucky there.

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Ammo recommendations from Seecamp:

L.W. Seecamp Co. - Ammo Recommendations

If you can find them, the PMC loads are the least expensive option and make great practice rounds. I prefer the Gold Dots for carry.

I believe the maximum cartridge OAL needs to be less than 0.910” for reliable feeding.

Why anyone would want to fire 70+ rounds of ammunition, not recommended by the gun maker, in a gun, does not make sense to me?

The gun maker's specification for the gun's ammunition is very plain, specific, and readily available.

I am sure that there is something that I'm missing here, but, I've had good results following manufacture's instructions, in the past. If an endurance test of one's hands, or of a belly gun, is the purpose of this test, I suppose it means something to the tester, but , it's results were lost on me.

Chubbo

There are millions of cadavers laying in the ground world wide that would curse the "lowly" .32 acp. Just sayin'

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I have a couple of Colts. One is more concealable. Wouldn’t want to be shot by either.....

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Over twenty years ago I bought a Kel Tec P32 as a possible backup gun. It weighed six ounces, and was reliable--decent little mouse gun for the money.

If it had fit my hand well enough that I could hit with it, I would have kept it. It didn't, I couldn't, and I sold it. Tiny guns don't suit my paws well. But I confess to having lusted for a Seecamp or NAA .32 for years.

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I had a NAA Guardian in .32. I really wanted to like that gun. It had the mag release in the usual place. Almost every round my middle finger would release the mag. This is one case where the "heel release" is better. My doc buddy just got a .380 Seecamp, loves it though it was $$$$. Joe

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Back when I started work I wanted to get a Seecamp .32 for a back up gun, but the price and 18+ month wait were a problem. When the Keltec P32 came out I bought the first one I ran across, and was very happy with it. It’s a reliable gun and as accurate as a mouse gun can be. If I take my time I can hit bowling pins at 25 yards with it. Mine is loaded with Silvertips, and goes with me to work every day.

I’d still buy a Seecamp if I ran across one at a reasonable price, just to have one. Being a .32 fan I also want a Colt 1903. I’m patient, so I’ll run across decent ones at reasonable prices eventually.

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Interesting that this thread appeared as I bought a .32 Seecamp last Friday and had it shipped in. I picked it up today and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I don't think I'll try to qualify with it as NC requires rounds fired at 25 yard both standing and prone, but I'll carry it.

Can't wait until I can shoot it.

What do those that have them recommend for holsters?

Thanks,

Bill

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Years ago I bought a Seecamp and it ran like a Rolex with a variety of ammo. Larry did a great job with mine but my only complaint was the hammering my finger took on each round fired.
Introduction of the Ruger LCP and the LCP II. Pretty much the same size, a more substantial caliber, and infinitely easier to shoot without all the knuckle battering. Regrettably, I sold the Seecamp in favor of a LCP II and it gets a lot more carry time than I ever thought possible.

I use this holster by Bear Creek Holsters, New Braunfels, TX

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Hi Bill:

I pocket carry my Seecamp in either a Galco horsehide pocket holster, or a DeSantis (nylon) pocket holster. BTW, my Seecamp is chambered in .32ACP, I don't know if I'd want to shoot one in .380ACP.

Regards,

Dave

Bill:

As for a holster "No Holster". No holster is needed. A holster for a Seecamp, is akin to wearing shoes while swimming.

This is just an observation, and may not be consistent with the direction of this thread (not trying to hijack), but I believe shots from the lowly .32 acp had the distinction of setting in motion the events that led to the First World War. Someone correct me if wrong.

AND, also had a hand in ending WWII as Hitler used that caliber in the bunker.

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Wow! 77 rounds in one range session? I’ve had 3 different .32’s over the last 20+ years, and now one in .380 and I don’t think I’ve put a total of 77 rounds through all of them collectively. Great little mouse guns! I almost always have mine with me in front right pocket to back up which ever bigger gun I’m carrying.

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I think Archduke Ferdinand was shot with a 380.

So you could argue 380 was responsible for more deaths than any other caliber in history

No holster for a seecamp is akin to no condom witha hooker.

If your carrying ANY gun without a holster, your carrying it wrong.

Says who?

Honestly, the only folks I've ever seen calling .32 ACP anemic are those who erroneously site the proliferation/popularity of .380 ACP pocket pistols as evidence of such or otherwise make lame strawman arguments like "the police don't use 'em" as if that means anything.

Factually speaking, the .32 ACP was considered a respectable self-defense cartridge prior to the release of modern lightweight locking breach micro .380s, and had seen use in both the Military and Law Enforcement for decades in Europe.

The reason why you don't see .32 ACP pistols anymore is because it is now possible to get ultra lightweight/compact pistols in .380 ACP, ergo the average person (most of whom know little/nothing about firearms) opts for the more powerful option of equal size/weight. It has nothing to do with the .32 ACP being anemic but rather that it's possible to get more power out of pistols of similar size/weight in .380 ACP without having to sacrifice all that much in terms of ammo capacity nor stability. (Especially in modern locking breach .380 pistols.)

Heck, there is a large amount of folks who consider the .380 ACP anemic and argue that folks are better off carrying a slightly larger/heavier gun in 9mm Luger.

Meanwhile, true experts have been saying for decades that shot placement is more important than caliber, that shootability is more important than energy, and that the fabled hydrostatic shock simply isn't even possible in handgun velocities, yet folks continue to ignore that, placing some arbitrary limit on which cartridges are effective, and sadly more often than not choose to associate the cartridge they carry with their own masculinity, even when it comes to mouse guns.

Personally, I carry .380 ACP in my EDC rotation, but if there were a practical reason to choose .32 ACP over .380 ACP, then I would consider opting for it if I felt the benefits were worth the trade. At this point in time though, .380 ACP has effectively supplanted .32 ACP in modern lightweight carry pistols, albeit not strictly because .32 ACP is weak nor ineffective, merely because .380 ACP is arguably more effective.

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I stand corrected. I thought for sure it was a .32, but I was wrong.

Since this thread is about the Seecamp .32 pistol; this is mine. I shoot only LW Seecamp recommended ammo. Absolutely reliable and at three to seven yards hits right where I point it. BTW, I carry it in a Jackson Leather Works pocket holster.

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Well you're just wrong.
A pocket holster keeps the gun oriented correctly for a fast draw.

Many years ago, there was a small gun store here in Austin. The store owner was a bit odd, and he was very opinionated - I think he was a retired Treasury agent. If you wanted to buy a gun or a product he didn't like, he'd tell you in no uncertain terms what a piece of excreta it was, and then suggest alternates - sometimes those that he didn't even stock in his store. I recall going into his store and asking for a pocket holster for my Seecamp. "Naw kid, save your money. You need a pocket holster for it, but you don't have to spend a fortune on it. You got 5 minutes?" I did, and he asked me for my Seecamp. I took it from my pocket (I had it wrapped in a handkerchief), removed the magazine and handed it to him.

He reached under the counter and pulled out a used padded mailing envelope. He cut the envelope in half, then cut the bottom half of the envelope in half and placed the Seecamp in the remaining quarter section of the envelope and stapled the open side closed leaving the top of the envelope open. He then pulled out a roll of duct tape and covered the entire holster with duct tape. The holster may not have looked like much, but as he explained to me, it accomplished what a good pocket holster should do - help break up the shape and outline of the piece, and it kept the pistol properly positioned in your pocket. I used the envelope holster for years until I got my Galco and DeSantis pocket holsters in a trade. BTW, the gun store owner carried a pair of .32ACP Seecamps in matching envelope holsters on him as his EDC.

Regards,

Dave

I would never, ever carry any gun without a holster. I pocket carry a DAO J-frame, so the possibility of it accidentally (or negligently) firing in my pocket is minuscule. But a good pocket holster, as someone noted above, prevents the embarrassment of reaching for the gun and finding it upside down or sideways. It also, besides helping to break up the outline of the gun, keeps lint and crud out of the works.

I would think that a mouse gun as tiny as the fine little Seekamp would be really susceptible to pocket rotation, and carrying one so splendidly concealable on a belt would be kind of silly.

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seldon14, & Ralph7, and others:

It gives me great pleasure, to be informed that my erroneous method of carrying my Seecamp .32 pistol is "Wrong".

It makes me shudder to think of what could have happened to me and my family, by carrying it daily, for 24 years in the wrong way.

This great information has destroyed my confidence, but has shown me the light.

I would like to ask forgiveness, for following the manufacture's explicit instructions, about the type of ammunition to be used in their firearm. I should have known that there would be many well informed people, that would know more about what type of ammunition to be fired in the .32 Seecamp, than it's Maker.

Excelant information is available, if one only keeps an open mind, listens, and pays attention.

I give my thanks, to my many critics, for the great, and helpful information.

Chubbo

For what it is worth, I am with the holster mandatory crowd. It does break up the profile and does keep the weapon oriented properly so you can grab it in a hurry should the need arise. I use to pocket carry a Colt DS in a sticky DeSantis holster and it worked beautifully the one time I needed it.

You are forgiven, my son.
The first step towards firearm knowledge nirvana is admission of past errors in practice and advice.
Go now and naked pocket carry no more...

I vote for the mandatory holster for any gun, too. I don't care if it's leather, Kydex, or cardboard, it's required.

Chubbo, not to pick on you directly, but there is a difference between doing something successfully and doing it wrong. You can drive 85 mph anywhere and as long as you don't get pulled over by the police or run anyone over or otherwise have an accident then you're doing it successfully. That doesn't make it the right way to drive.

At a minimum the two things a holster accomplishes is keeping the gun correctly oriented and keeping trash/pocket lint out of the barrel. If you do not have these issues that's good for you stuff but it remains a fact that carrying a gun without a holster is not correct.

But enough of that; it's still a free country and you can whatever pleases you.

Deep cover is what all those mini-guns are VERY good for. However, for a Sunday go to meetin' gun, I switched to 9mm (and sometimes .38 Special) a long time ago. It's the 21st century and the places you go to meetin' at are serious targets these days. You need to be better prepared!

Which explains why I grabbed one about two years ago when someone offered it for sale - but it only takes Silvertips. Longer .32s don't fit the magazine.

for almost 20 yrs. I can attest that even carried in a holster regular cleaning and oiling is a must. Even if not fired. Lint and junk can make this swiss watch of autos inoperable. My 32 is with me nearly every day

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No one attacked you. Some of us disagreed and stated our reasons, which happens, and which is acceptable on a discussion forum as long as it doesn't slide into name-calling.

People constantly disagree with me for not carrying at least a 9mm with seventeen rounds, and preferring to pocket carry a .38 Special J-frame, usually without a reload. They are fully entitled to do that, and I'm just as entitled to carry what I damn well please, the way I want to carry it.

I can handle disagreement, but then I spent many years on jobs in which I counted a day wasted if I didn't get called eleven kinds of illegitimate offspring of a female dog. Which has never, ever happened to me on this excellent forum, and won't.

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Snark all you want, but this sounds remarkably like the excuses drunk drivers throw out when called on there unsafe and dangerous behavior.

40-year drunk driver thanks God that he ‘never hurt anybody’ | News | helenair.com

This guy drove drunk for nearly 40 years and never hurt anyone, so it must be fine and safe.

I am finding, that my method of carrying my Seecamp .32 pistol is far worse than I realized.

I now realize, that when the 'opinions' of several hundred 'Experts' are amassed, it is very impressive. I suspect that some of those 'Experts' have never carried a Seecamp .32, and that some of them, may have acquired their 'expertise' from their reading skills entirely. Nevertheless their advice is still very important, and even though, maybe, "second handed", should be considered a better method of carrying concealed, than the method, that this poorly informed, Seecamp .32 owner, has used daily, and successfully' for 24 years.

Now, since I've been corrected, and correctly informed, about the many 'correct' methods, of concealed carry. I will try to find those 'correct' accessories, that the 'experts' have suggested that one should use, while caring concealed. I'm now trying to determine what accessories you 'experts' would consider essential? Some accessories, that come to mind, might be, type and style of, hat, shoes, stockings, shirt, trousers, necktie, comb, underwear, Jewelry, etc. I wonder if, tooth paste, hair spray, tooth brush, deodorant, paper towels, and toilet paper, should be considered also?

I very much value, and treasure, your opinions. Keep 'em coming.

Chubbo

I would definitely recommend trousers, underwear, and a shirt when carrying your Seecamp. For several reasons including it's hard to pocket carry with no pockets.

You seem compelled to construe disagreement as a personal attack. I'm really sorry you feel that way.

This is a discussion forum. It has room for disagreement, which nearly always is conducted without hurt feelings, sarcasm or snark.

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Hi, All:

The time has come, for me to quit "spoofin'" you, my forum friends. There may be no friends remaining, after all of my recent "Spoofin'".

I should know better, as my 'spoofin'', and 'devilment', have cost me the loss of some good friends. It's a flaw of mine, and I can't seem to resist 'spoofin' friends. Fortunately, I have the ability to apologize, I now, give my sincere apology, to anyone that I have offended.

Chubbo