I picked up a Remington Rand, vet bring back a couple of years ago. It was brought home by a friend's father who served in Europe under Patton. He had carried a Colt through most of the war. Towards the end he was asked if he wanted a new one. He turned in the Colt and was issued the R.R. It is in extremely nice condition, unmessed with. It came with 6 USGI magazines, two mag pouches, and two holsters, one standard side, one shoulder rig.

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Well if the CMP is up to about the 11,000 RNG as was posted, I will only have 3,500 names ahead of me...

That is a beauty with war time character! Glad you got it so quick. Haven’t got to the range with mine yet, if this rain stops I may get to shoot her tomorrow. Love the number ‘11’ rack number, my M1 Garand has #16 on the butt, very cool to me. Never know what it means, other than it’s been there and done that, we now own a small piece of history, Congratulations!

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I am not positive what my number was but I didn't get the call until 12/3/19 and they had all 3 grades. My order number was over 10,000 so I am going to guess they are working on a second shipment as some of the earlier numbers did not get the choice of the Service grade from some of the post I have read.

The following is purely speculation on my part because I'm not the guy breaking open the crates, but a check on the CMP website confirms that some in the 9000 block didn't get a choice of Service grade. One guy (9248) only got a choice of field grade.

As was surmised, it's possible they work from crate to crate and whatever happens to be in that crate is what you choose from when your # comes up.

The fact that they're still opening crates a year after they received the first allotment is encouraging.

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Now that's just about perfect and I'm sure what most of us hoped for on the CMP 1911s.

Looks like some lucky recipients are re-selling their CMP pistols already.

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Different strokes for different folks. My number was 2927 and I got a service grade. Colt lower on a Colt slide from the 50’s. Reparked for sure but Uncle Sam reparked it so it is all GI to me. I wouldn’t have wanted one with all that finish gone. It’s like the M1’s I got from the CMP, I like character and the dings tell a story, but I would not have been happy with a rifle with most of its finish gone.

Those who got a CMP 1911 were not looking for a shooter. I fired 50 rounds through mine and cleaned it. Don’t see me putting more than 100 rounds a year through it. I have other guns to launch 230 grain .45 ACP bullets into paper with. I bought this and my M1’s for the history and quite frankly the value. They’re only going to go up. My first CMP M1 was $675 a few years ago. Try to get them for that. Buying an Auto Ordnance or Springfield GI clone would not scratch that itch to own a piece of history. I was offered $1500 for my reparked mixmaster the day I picked it up. Guy in the shop offered it to me right in the spot. I declined of course.

Sadly there are some people who put in applications for the sole purpose of reselling the gun. I heard of one guy who put in applications for himself, his wife and a couple of grown kids with the full intention of reselling any guns they got. A lot of folks griped about the cost of these pistols, but any of them will resell at a good profit on the open market.
If CMP finds out you resold one of their guns, they will ban you from any further purchases for life. But in most cases CMP only finds out if someone reports the seller.

And rightfully so. I believe there is a limit of one on the 1911's to keep people from flipping those and to give more people an opportunity to own one. There are far fewer of those than surplus garands and carbines although the CMP carbine supply has dried up. The 1911's and garands will also be history soon enough. They have garands at the stores still but they're pretty rough field and rack grades.

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Agreed 100% on the bold, I'd just disagree with the categorization of which is a shooter. A 70s refurb mixmaster will have less collectors interest than a correct (or correct enough) WW2 been there-done that non-refurb, at least for now and watching 1911 sale prices on the popular sites. I'm absolutely not afraid to put a decent round count through mine as it's a less interesting pistol (my opinion only of course) than one that survived mostly as-issued (I'd still shoot just about any I got from the CMP, who am I kidding).

Granted, a great condition correct one will blow the worn one out of the water price wise.

As far as the reselling of 1911s being addressed, I can't care less. I've seen plenty of people have these for months now, and I'd imagine some of those people have needed cash for medical bills, car repairs, or other less fun guns. The CMP exists to promote civilian marksmanship and firearms competition, not to ensure we all get our birthright 1911 or Garand, and by selling these at a fair price they do that. I bought a used pickup awhile back well under market, didn't like it, and resold it at market price. I felt no guilt about that, nor would I about selling one of these if I had to at fair market price.

To those who don't like the price on the resell, I'd ask that if you feel honor bound to sell for what you paid to please drop me a line and I'll cover the interest too

Hopefully the CMP bans that reseller for life, should be easy since the serial # is visible.

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I meant a 70’s refurbed GI 1911 is worth more than some new GI clone made in Brazil. Sure, an WW 2 GI bring-back is worth more than a refurbed one. I have zero interest in owning an Auto Ordnance or Springfield clone. And refurbed or not, my 1911 hung from a GI’s hip. Before it’s facelift in the 70’s it saw service through at least 3 wars. Good enough for me. And apparently over 10,000 people who jumped through hoops to get one.

But I agree it’s my right to sell it I want to at whatever price I can get. And I know the CMP has gone on record saying selling a gun bought by them is none of their business.

The CMP gets to make the rules. If they have a policy of no more sales to people that flip those 1911's then people run the risk of being banned from sales. A choice one has to make.

The CMP is doing that to squash the likelihood of any of those pistols being sold to felons and used in a crime. Once that gun gets traced back to the CMP the media will characterize the CMP as being an organization that moves military surplus to the streets and the criminal element. Then the program ends. Personally I would hate to see that. Those are relics with historical value and many people would like to own one. I carried one while I was in the Navy. (67-71)

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Now that's the kind of 1911A1 I like. It's similar finish-wise to my own Remington Rand, although mine isn't a CMP pistol. I'd take that one over a refinished one in a heartbeat. See those two tiny punch marks just forward of the serrations on the right side? Those are (probably) Rockwell hardness test marks. I believe I see a few more on other parts of the pistol. My pistol has them, too. Looks like a good slide-to-frame fit, too. My pistol also has the RIA arsenal rework stamp on it, along with the flaming bomb stamp and arsenal inspector's initials on it...yours does not. Yours could actually be a field replacement pistol made up in the field or one a camp armorer put together using parts from damaged pistols.

That's the beauty of the old 1911A1s, one of the cool things. An ordinary soldier in the field could grab a handful of parts from different bins, put a pistol together in a few minutes, and the thing would work just like one fresh from the factory.

I can't read the whole serial number, so I don't know when yours was made. The checkered mainspring housing suggests (to me) that the frame is a 1943 vintage. Can't tell about the slide, though. Even though the finish is vastly different on the slide and frame, one way to tell if the slide is original to the gun is the "P" proof mark. If it's original to the gun, the "P" should be the same size on frame and slide.

Yes, High Standard. I wouldn't be too sure about the "replacement" part, though. New Remington Rands were equipped with High Standard barrels from the factory.

You should have a ball shooting that pistol. One thing: Don't make the same mistake a lot of people do by trying to gently "ease" a round into the chamber. That can damage the extractor. Let that slide slam forward to feed the first round...that's how the pistol was designed to work.

Congratulations on finally getting your pistol. I envy you for that. Have fun with it!

I saw them coming up for sale soon as people started receiving them. People were getting them for the express purpose of resale, no secret and no surprise about that.

It's a shame about that, though, because it took pistols away from regular folks who'd thrown their name into the hat with CMP in hopes of getting one.

For some people, the quest for profit trumps principles every time.

At what distance were you shooting?

20 yards - thats as far as the indoor range goes.

Mine has an ordnance stamp - it is just lightly struck.

Thanks for all the info - I hadn’t even noticed the punch dots.

The Ps look the same to me. Maybe ol’ number 11 has been intact for a while. No matter - it is a for-sure GI 1911A1 and is a treasure to me.

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Twenty yards is a good range to shoot the 1911A1. That distance falls within what I call combat range.

Yes, I saw it. The ordnance stamp was the last stamp applied to the pistol before it was packed and shipped. It's often lightly struck or even partially struck. It was always struck through the finish, too. It's kinda funny to me, people complain about lightly struck stamps, or misaligned serial numbers or rollmarks in different places on pistols from the same place. Folks tend to forget, these 1911A1s were mass produced pistols, made by the thousands and made as fast as possible. There weren't too many "specialists" working at those factories who took pains that every stamp and rollmark was properly applied. If the pistol functioned, it shipped. Seriously, if you ever have a chance to look at a WWII Ithaca 1911A1, look at all the tool marks on it. Ithaca was the worst about tool marks, which is really strange since they were an experienced firearms manufacturer, and should've had the finish step down pat.

But the stamps I was referring to that your pistol doesn't have are the arsenal rework stamps. The reworks were done at various arsenals and ordnance depots, not the factory. For instance, "AA" would be the Augusta Arsenal. "RIA" is Rock Island Arsenal (not to be confused with today's knockoff 1911s), or "MR" for Mount Ranier Ordnance Depot.

No reason it couldn't be original, more or less. Someone could've stuck a newer barrel in it, or changed the springs, but so what? So many people badmouth arsenal rework pistols for no reason. They're the real thing, not a clone or for lack of a better word, a fake. They're as much a part of history as an "all original" is.

If someone offered me the choice between your Remington Rand and a brand new Kimber or Springfield or whatever, how many guesses would anyone need to know which one I'd pick?

My 1943 Ithaca (all original). If you zoom in you can see the tool marks on the bottom-muzzle end of slide. The Ordnance stamp is also somewhat lightly struck but I don't have a picture One day will use the good camera and document the Ithaca fully.

Enjoy your 1911A1. I take the Ithaca out and shoot about once a year.

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RNG 14411 just called.

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Wow, they are definitely into the second allotment then.

Might not be too long before they open it up for another round of applications.

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Could be a typo that was posted on another forum, then I went to the CMP and someone suggested the error. My RNG is 14376 and no communication.

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I bet you get a call soon. They don’t go in perfect order - they have several people working through their own stack of packets.

FYI, my call came from 256-770-4744. I had it in my contacts as CMP so I recognized it when it came in.

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I’ll be happy with what I get since I plan on shooting it.

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I've got an RNG in the early 12000's and no call yet.

You're up pretty soon. Mid 12's here. I expect a call sometime in the next few months. 11729 got the call today according to CMP website. Fingers crossed, card locked and loaded.

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Quietly, hopefully, happily and (darn near) excitedly sitting in the low 13s.

You'll make the cut. Just hang in there. I think they'll go to 18K, +/-

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I hope all you guys post pic's when you get them. I already have mine but enjoy looking at them all.

Got a call this morning from CMP. My number is 12243. Mailed in my packet September 5, 2019. All 3 grades were available. I chose Service Grade. They said after all paper work is processed the gun will be shipped.

Will post pictures when it arrives.

Picked up my CMP 1911 from my FFL yesterday. Haven't had a chance to do anything to it yet. This is the SELECT grade. Turned out to be a US & S receiver with a Colt upper refurbed at Anniston in 1984.

Everything, on the frame, looks correct except the mainspring housing. The "P" still is partially visible just below and to the right of the magazine release button. The inspectors initials, located inside a circle, beneath the slide stop, are obliterated but, under strong magnification parts of the circle can still be seen.

Don't know enough about Colt to know if the slide is from WWI
or WWII.

Haven't had it apart yet so I don't know if the barrel is marked
"HS" or not but it looks nice and shiny.

From what I read only 55000 US&S pistols were produced and all of them in 1943. The second lowest production of all WWII
pistol manufacturers. Sure wish the slide was US&S.

I'm pleased, could have been a lot worse.

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For those waiting, like me, they have suspended ops until April 6th, at least.
They are in the high 12900 RGN range.

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