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Old 07-31-2020, 06:58 PM
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My LW Commander acquired just a few days ago. I'll be shooting tomorrow, hopefully.
How does the inside of that Colt look? I dont buy the iconic Colts anymore because I keep finding them with way to many machining marks inside the frame and I personally dont find that acceptable for what u pay.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:34 PM
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So we are back with the Commander series of pistols. I just finished the upgrade process on the new ATI Wilson Combat Commander Po Man Special. I was going to lower and flare the ejection port but after shooting the gun it does not look like its necessary plus I would have to re-parkerize the pistol. Maybe many moons down the road Ill do that but not now. I may put in a new extractor though. I did have a failure to eject but not on live rounds it was on my heavily worn plastic snap caps. I believe the FTE was due to worn out and damaged old snap caps and not the pistol extractor. I had 100% reliable on all 500 FMJ and HP rounds. Had one issue with failure to eject magazine but that was due to a knock off rip off "Colt" junk magazine I had layin around for many moons. They work however the metal and paint was very thick on the mag so it got stuck in there. Stay away from those knock off "Colt" mags! I can tell you later how to identify them if anyone is curious. Basically if the price is too good to be true its probably a fake Colt mag.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:05 PM
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In the past 6 years I have been trying out and evaluating many pistols shotguns and rifles. Its been mostly pistols since I am an avid pistol collector however all these firearms are NEW model guns. With that being said I will be posting a list of what I have found to be EXCELLENT quality, value, and reliable firearms. Since we are talking about the "Commander" style guns I will start with those. First on the list is no surprise to anyone if you been following my posts.

1. Dan Wesson Pointman Carry 45 acp:
If you want a gun that will outlast you and all your children until the sun blows up and destroys this planet get a Dan Wesson enough said! All forged steel frame slide and parts that are hand fitted something you dont see in manufactures any more. 70 series and easy to work on. One thing people might find negative on them. Tight tolerances because these are hand fitted semi custom guns! Do not take the gun right out of the box and shoot it unless you enjoy sending the gun back due to galling warranty work and wasting peoples time. The slide must be greased just use what Dan Wesson recommends. TW-25 grease or FP-10. If you got a prob with that dont buy one! The only Commander on the list that comes in the 10 mm Panzer Anti Tank howitzer round but good luck trying to afford the money for one.

2. Colt Commander:
Very reliable and they use pretty decent parts with no need to upgrade anything unless you want to. Slide to frame fit is good and they are forged nicely. Something to be aware of is that most NEW Colt Commanders will be 80 series. Downside is only one year warranty and MACHINING MARKS MACHINING MARKS MACHINING MARKS ALL UP IN THOSE SUCKERS! For what you pay it shouldnt look like a caveman milled the inside of the frame with a triceratops bone and a rock.

3. Springfield Armory Range Officer Series
Good reliable guns with a good warranty. 70 series guns and easy to work on deal with. Nicely machined inside and out however frame to slide fit is always terrible on the back side of the guns and extractors always stick out. Once again for what you pay someone should of fit those properly. Also they use lots of MIM parts and less forged parts unlike the above mentioned makers. One feature I really like about SA 1911s is the fact they use ramped barrels especially on there light alloy framed guns unlike the above mentioned Colt that does not put ramped barrels on the light aluminum frames which I personally think is a VERY BAD idea.

4. ATI and Rock Island 1911 "Commander" Series Philippine Guns
Excellent value for what you get. The machine work is very nice inside and out. I believe S.A.M. use old Colt equipment left behind in the Philippines. If thats the case I think Colt needs to get there equipment back from them because there work in the States has been piss poor! Guns are easy to upgrade and all of them are usually 70 series style. Rock Islands tend to be very accurate however I dont care for there weird billboarding they put on the guns. ATI accuracy can be hit or miss with slightly spongy triggers. Decent parts however you might get a junky part here and there that needs replacement. Don't have a clue about Metro Arms but Im sure there about the same and someone can chime in on those.

5. Magnum Research Desert Eagle
Excellent 1911 series of guns! For what you pay they seem to be nicer than the more expensive Colts in many ways mainly in the fit and finish department. Accuracy and reliability seem to be good! Downsides is they have cast frames which usually translate to not a problem. Also they have bull barrels which not everyone is fond of and they have the DREADED COOL GUY FRONT SLIDE SERRATIONS.

6. Kimber Pro Series
Decent value, reliability, and quality for a gun that is less than a thousand bucks. Slide to frame fit is EXCELLENT with all parts fitted quite nicely. Kimbers milling machines seem to be very good. No need to modify the guns any since they come with decent parts out of the box with match grade barrels already installed. On the reverse side of the coin upgrading will be difficult on these guns. They use the "Schwartz style" firing pin safety which is okay but hard to deal with when gunsmithing. Once again they use ramped barrels which is a really good thing however most difficult gun on this list to disassemble due to there captured guide rod design and unique features. If you got arthritis or weak hands this is not the gun for you!

7. S&W 1911 E Series
One of the best guns on the list. EXCELLENT forged and fit guns. The only 1911 gun on the list with an external extractor. I like that feature! EXCELLENT warranty and customer service. Downside they have to many goofy features that will appeal to small crowds. Goofy front slide serrations and all bobtailed which is a feature that will limit grip options for you. Has the dreaded "Hey bonehead dont do stupid things with guns!" label on the side.

8. Ruger SR1911 "Commander"
Excellent caliber choices on this model! They got the 45 tyrannosaurus killer and the 9mm Farfegnugen. Excellent customer service and warranty. Very reliable and may be the most reliable 1911 on this list. I think its mostly due to sloppy frame to slide fit. Every SR1911 I ever had shaked more than a Mexican maraca. They come in ghetto shoe boxes though which for what you pay should be better. Also they have the dreaded "Hey bonehead dont do bonehead!" under the dust cover which bothers me.

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How does the inside of that Colt look? I dont buy the iconic Colts anymore because I keep finding them with way to many machining marks inside the frame and I personally dont find that acceptable for what u pay.
I haven't paid very close attention to machine marks on the interior, but I did a thorough cleaning twice so far and nothing jumped out at me except what a fine job they did shaping and polishing the mouth of the barrel (the entire barrel is beautifully done).
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So we are back with the Commander series of pistols. I just finished the upgrade process on the new ATI Wilson Combat Commander Po Man Special. I was going to lower and flare the ejection port but after shooting the gun it does not look like its necessary plus I would have to re-parkerize the pistol. Maybe many moons down the road Ill do that but not now. I may put in a new extractor though. I did have a failure to eject but not on live rounds it was on my heavily worn plastic snap caps. I believe the FTE was due to worn out and damaged old snap caps and not the pistol extractor. I had 100% reliable on all 500 FMJ and HP rounds. Had one issue with failure to eject magazine but that was due to a knock off rip off "Colt" junk magazine I had layin around for many moons. They work however the metal and paint was very thick on the mag so it got stuck in there. Stay away from those knock off "Colt" mags! I can tell you later how to identify them if anyone is curious. Basically if the price is too good to be true its probably a fake Colt mag.
Very nice!
That ejection port is what I would consider to already be lowered. The original 1911 port barely extended into the flat of the slide and even those can be reliable for ejection, they just leave a dent on the case mouth. Flaring the back edge of the port can help in preventing the cases from getting dented in the case head area, but beyond that, the flare is not necessary.

Most factory produced 1911's have a sloppy fit to the firing pin retainer and extractor. This allows the extractor to rotate slightly, which can affect extraction and ejection. A 1911 that ejects brass over a wide area is almost certain to have an extractor that is rotating. A fitted firing pin retainer and possibly a new extractor are the answers to this problem.

1911 feed reliability horror stories often come from crummy magazines. The 1911 needs a quality magazine, held to fairly tight specifications, and the magazine needs to be held at the correct height within the receiver. I have experience with an old Thompson Auto-Ordnance 1911 (1980's production) that had receiver with a poorly positioned magazine catch hole. It worked if you applied pressure to the bottom of the magazine when firing, but without upward pressure, a feed jam was likely to occur.

Poorly made magazines are the bane of the 1911. Gun shows are often filled with cheap knock off mags, sometimes in military style wrapping paper and with a NSN number on the base plate. A 1911 magazine that costs you only $5 is going to give you a $5 performance. You get what you pay for. For reliable and affordable magazines, genuine Colt magazines are good as are Springfield Armory, Mec-Gar, Metalform and Checkmate. There are others, but they will cost more.

If you want to know a whole lot more about 1911 magazine identification, check out this thread over at the m1911.org Forums.
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That ejection port is what I would consider to already be lowered. The original 1911 port barely extended into the flat of the slide and even those can be reliable for ejection, they just leave a dent on the case mouth. Flaring the back edge of the port can help in preventing the cases from getting dented in the case head area, but beyond that, the flare is not necessary.

Most factory produced 1911's have a sloppy fit to the firing pin retainer and extractor. This allows the extractor to rotate slightly, which can affect extraction and ejection. A 1911 that ejects brass over a wide area is almost certain to have an extractor that is rotating. A fitted firing pin retainer and possibly a new extractor are the answers to this problem.

1911 feed reliability horror stories often come from crummy magazines. The 1911 needs a quality magazine, held to fairly tight specifications, and the magazine needs to be held at the correct height within the receiver. I have experience with an old Thompson Auto-Ordnance 1911 (1980's production) that had receiver with a poorly positioned magazine catch hole. It worked if you applied pressure to the bottom of the magazine when firing, but without upward pressure, a feed jam was likely to occur.

Poorly made magazines are the bane of the 1911. Gun shows are often filled with cheap knock off mags, sometimes in military style wrapping paper and with a NSN number on the base plate. A 1911 magazine that costs you only $5 is going to give you a $5 performance. You get what you pay for. For reliable and affordable magazines, genuine Colt magazines are good as are Springfield Armory, Mec-Gar, Metalform and Checkmate. There are others, but they will cost more.

If you want to know a whole lot more about 1911 magazine identification, check out this thread over at the m1911.org Forums.
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One thing I can say about the ATI Commander is that it makes a great cave man club once your ammo runs out... Can you imagine being clubbed by that thing??? Geez.. Using the gun as a club is something not talked about much in self defense courses for some reason. I can tell you this its very effective. Especially a full sized 1911. A strike from your fist is not going to be as effective as a swing from an all steel 1911 frame.
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One thing I can say about the ATI Commander is that it makes a great cave man club once your ammo runs out... Can you imagine being clubbed by that thing??? Geez.. Using the gun as a club is something not talked about much in self defense courses for some reason. I can tell you this its very effective. Especially a full sized 1911. A strike from your fist is not going to be as effective as a swing from an all steel 1911 frame.
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One thing I can say about the ATI Commander is that it makes a great cave man club once your ammo runs out... Can you imagine being clubbed by that thing??? Geez.. Using the gun as a club is something not talked about much in self defense courses for some reason. I can tell you this its very effective. Especially a full sized 1911. A strike from your fist is not going to be as effective as a swing from an all steel 1911 frame.
That's one reason why I have yet to embrace the plastic pistols.
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