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Old 10-25-2019, 09:52 AM
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Den looking to buy a Rossi 24” octagon 44 mag but there’s none available anywhere including gunbroker were are these guns at?? Can anyone point me to we’re I can order one please thanks?? If someone has one for sale I will be willing to pay 500.00

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You might want to put this in the wanted section . More people would see it and you might get lucky .
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I looked on the Rossi forum for you and saw nothing for sale. Good luck with your search.

BTW, I searched for months when I was looking for the .357 24" Rossi 92, and that was almost five years ago, at the end of their octagon barrel production. Paid 579.
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Are the octagon barrels discontinued
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Yes, a couple of years ago. I got the last new one I've seen for sale. But even then, the numbers they exported here were very low.

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The only ones I've seen lately were holding out for much more, but you might get lucky.
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Cowboy action shooters love those pistol caliber lever guns. I sold my .44-40 Rossi Model 92 replica and two matching caliber Ruger Vaqueros (old models) to a friend but I kept my similar guns in .45 Colt and the rifle does have the octagon barrel. Beautiful and accurate. I'll get pictures after all of my guns move back home from storage where they have been since last year's fire.
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From what I gather, yes, they are discontinued. BTW, I just looked on that site we can't talk about on active auctions and saw a 23" 44 octagon barrel for sale. Just a heads up to you. PM me if you want a link, BTW, I have no affiliation to the auction, just a fellow forum member trying to help another forum member out.
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I hope you have fired a 44 mag lever gun-especially one with the crescent butt plate-they can be painful.
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Yes I have they are not that bad plus I have a butt pad
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Steve's Gunz, The Rossi 92 Specialist, still lists them, but I doubt he has them.
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I hope you have fired a 44 mag lever gun-especially one with the crescent butt plate-they can be painful.
Yeah, you got that right. I have a 20" barrel B-92 and it kills on one end and maims on the other. I can go around 20 rounds of hot 44 mag before the shoulder gets too sore to shoot it more. I much rather my Rossi 357 mag model 92SRC, which I can basically shoot all day long without killing my shoulder.
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Yes I have they are not that bad plus I have a butt pad
That extra two pounds of weight from the long octagon barrel really settles it down. My octagon .357 recoils like a .22LR.

Looked at few other of the usual places, but out of stock everywhere, as expected.

I got a chance to handle this Octagonal 20 inch Navy Arms Winchester model and it was beautiful.

Navy Arms - Winchester 1892
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I think all Rossi 92 variations have not been exactly plentiful for some time. I wanted one real bad that they didn’t make. Their typical 16” Carbine with loop lever and saddle ring in .44 Magnum. I never seen that exact configuration listed. But it’s OK. My Browning 92 .44 Mag with 20” barrel will do fine, and it has no dumb tang safety. I just can’t spin it like John Wayne and Chuck Conners did.
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Found one on armslist for 750.00 is this to much money? The guy said he does not care if he sells it or not it’s just going to continue to go up in value??
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I can't help with the search for an octogon barrel, but one thing to note is there is at least one well documented instance of the combination of recoil and Federal primers leading the ignition of all the bullets in the tube of a Rossi 44.

If you stick with flat-point bullets and magnum primers you'll be fine.
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Found one on armslist for 750.00 is this to much money? The guy said he does not care if he sells it or not it’s just going to continue to go up in value??
That is as cheap as I've seen that model for a while. They likely won't be making more any time soon, and the competitors versions are substantially more expensive. But the other brands are a little slicker out of the box, and come with nicer wood.

After slicking mine up, it'll stay with me to the end.
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I kept on top of GB and reputable boards, figured I find leverguns eventually when traveling and then three Winchesters at fair prices.
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What happened? I see your selling it already.

Rossi 24” octagon rare discontinued!!
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Rossi 24” octagon rare discontinued!!
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I was going to say, There's one for sale on the sell board....

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Yes found a 357 lever the next day so selling the 44 mag for I Gave for it
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Yes found a 357 lever the next day so selling the 44 mag for I Gave for it
Smart move.

I have a 20" Rossi 92 carbine in .45 Colt as well as a Charles Daly marked Armi Sport 24" Model 92 take down rifle in .45 Colt. Both are pleasant to shoot with standard pressure (14,000 psi) .45 Colt 255 gr loads. They also aren't too bad with 25,000 psi "Ruger only" loads using the same 255 gr bullet. However, when loaded to the 32,000 psi range with a 255 gr bullet, where the .45 Colt delivers the same performance as the 36,000 psi .44 Magnum with a 240 gr bullet, the recoil starts to become distinctly noticeable, especially in the lightweight carbine.

The key is to move the curved carbine or curved rifle pattern butt plate out of the shoulder pocket and place it on the upper part of the arm. That's why those butt plates have a curved shape. It places the butt out on the ram where the arm can move to absorb the recoil over a longer distance. The length of pull is also designed for that butt placement and when properly the rifle or carbine comes from the upper part of the arm and comes across the chest much more so than a conventional rifle or carbine with a shotgun style butt plate.

The same recoil issues arise with the .44 Magnum. The recoil is very manageable, provided you hold it correctly, but it still isn't something you'll want to put 100 rounds through in a range session. The standard pressure .45 Colt or if someone just has to have a .44 Magnum, a light .44 Special load is much better short range shooting and plinking.

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More importantly, in my experience the .45 Colt and .44 Magnum carbines and rifles come up a bit short on accuracy, given the thinner barrel wall thickness and powder and projectile masses involved. The heavier the load the worse the accuracy usually gets. That again tends to make then short range rifles and carbines.





In contrast, the Rossi 92 rifles (24") and short rifles (20") in .357 Magnum are much more enjoyable to shoot with full power 125 or 158 gr loads, and they are quite accurate. Both my 20" short rifle and 24" rifle deliver five shot 2 MOA groups at 100 yards using both Federal 158 gr JSP (in either the Champion or American Eagle loads) and with 125 gr American Gunner or handloads using the same 125 gr XTP bullet. This is with both rifles equipped with Marbles tang sights and Lyman 17AHB front sights.

I bought the 24" as it was on the rack in the LGS, and I ordered the 20" with the color case hardened finish when i heard Rossi was stopping production of their rifle pattern Model 92s. The carbine variant just isn't quite as accurate.

Velocity wise there isn't much difference between the 24" and 20" velocities. I get 2210 fps with the 125 gr XTP in the 24" barrel and I get 2170 fps in the 20" barrel. The 158 gr federal load gives 1820 fps in the 24" barrel and only 10 fps less in the 20" barrel.

When they are zeroed for 150 yards with the 158 gr load, the mid range trajectory is 3.7" high at 75 yards, and 3.7" low at 175 yards. With the 125 gr load and a 170 yard zero, the mid range trajectory is 3.7" high at 95 yards and 4" low at 200 yards.

In both cases you can hold dead on a medium sized game target out to 175 and 200 yards respectively and get a solid hit in the vitals. Practically speaking at 150 yards the 158 gr load has 1349 fps and 638 ft pounds remaining. At 170 yards, the 125 gr bullet has 1422 fps and 561 ft pounds remaining. Those are essentially the same numbers you'd get from a 4" revolver at the muzzle, and it's also about as far as I want to intentionally shoot a deer with a .357 Magnum out of a rifle.

The extra distance past the zeroed range basically accounts for potential error in range estimation. That said, the 158 gr load still has 1280 fps and 575 ft pounds left at 175 yards, and the 125 gr load still has 1313 fps and 479 ft pounds left at 200 yards, so they'll still get the job done if you underestimate the range a bit.

On smaller game the maximum mid range trajectory of 3.7" lets you hold slightly under the target, which of course keeps the target from being obscured by the front sight post or blade all the way out to the zeroed range. At 20 yards you're 1" high, at 40 you're 2" high and at 60 you're 3" high so it's easy to remember. The 125 gr XTP won't leave much to eat on small game, but it's great for pests and predators.




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Sometimes I feel I must respectfully, but forcefully, disagree with someone on a certain point. Here is one of those times. I have the same kind of rifle OP is looking for, 24 inch barrel octagon 92 Rossi. It is a harmless *****cat in terms of recoil, there just is too much weight in the rifle to overcome the recoil of any hotload. I'll admit the crescent steel butt isn't the best for recoil mitigation, but it need not be for the 44 Magnum. My 1885 Urberti in 45-70 Gubmit is another matter entirely, but then again my worst experience with it was with bullets over double the weight of standard 44 Magnum.

My Rossi feels cheap, the finish on the octagonal barrel does not match the fine blueing on the rest of it and looks rough. It came with a bent mainspring guide that I had to bend back into shape myself, but perhaps that wasn't damaged or built wrong at the factory. It is a fine rifle for practical use, but if I had the big bucks I might think about a better grade of 1892 the next time around.
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Sometimes I feel I must respectfully, but forcefully, disagree with someone on a certain point. Here is one of those times. I have the same kind of rifle OP is looking for, 24 inch barrel octagon 92 Rossi. It is a harmless *****cat in terms of recoil, there just is too much weight in the rifle to overcome the recoil of any hotload. I'll admit the crescent steel butt isn't the best for recoil mitigation, but it need not be for the 44 Magnum. My 1885 Urberti in 45-70 Gubmit is another matter entirely, but then again my worst experience with it was with bullets over double the weight of standard 44 Magnum.

My Rossi feels cheap, the finish on the octagonal barrel does not match the fine blueing on the rest of it and looks rough. It came with a bent mainspring guide that I had to bend back into shape myself, but perhaps that wasn't damaged or built wrong at the factory. It is a fine rifle for practical use, but if I had the big bucks I might think about a better grade of 1892 the next time around.
Rossi finish has varied a bit over the years, especially the wood.

I bought all of mine during the period when they used a spray on finish with all the charm of shoe polish. And if you took it out in the rain, it would run and streak. On the other hand it made a decent base for a Tru-Oil or Tung oil finish. With Tru-Oil the first coat took about 24 hours to integrate and dry on the original finish. After that it was the normal 90 minutes per coat.

Internally the Rossi 92 has a few issues that need to be addressed to optimize function and smoothness of the action:

1) They use a plastic magazine follower that over time will eventually swell and crack. However it's a simple task to replace it with a stainless steel follower and you can get one from Stevesgunz .

2) The ejector spring is way too powerful. It will eject brass over your head and a good 6-8 feet behind you. A new spring will give it normal ejection and more importantly will greatly improve the smoothness of the action. You can get the lighter spring at Stevesgunz as well.

3) Every Rossi I've purchased new in the box needed a really good cleaning to remove gunk and metal chips. Ideally, you'll do a full disassembly and clean it. Alternatively, you can remove the wood, spray it down inside and out with an aerosol gun scrubber or brake cleaner. Once it's clean, spray it inside and out with with an aerosol gun oil to re-lube the parts and then let it sit muzzle up in a pan to let the excess oil drain out. Then put the wood back on.

4) Number 2 and 3 will give you about 80% of the improvement in smoothness, but if you do the disassembly, you might as well do the rest. This will include polishing the detents on the cartridge guides, the lever detent, and key surfaces on the bolt. You'll also reduce the width of the loading gate spring and shorten the magazine spring to improve ease of loading, and shorten the hammer mainspring to reduce the trigger pull and cocking effort. You can get a DVD from Stevesgunz detailing the process both by itself and as part of a kit with the DVD, magazine follower and ejector spring.

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The bottom line is that you get what you pay for, but if you are willing to put in a little sweat equity, the end result will be butter smooth performance for about $500. That's less than half the cost of an Armi-Sport/Chiappa Model 92 or a Miroku made Winchester Model 1892.

The Armi Sport Model 1892 is a very faithful copy of a Winchester Model 92 and is butter smooth right out of the box. The color case hardened finished examples are also very nicely done. The downside is that they start at around $1100.

A color case hardened Model 1892 in the 20" short rifle configuration lists for $1329. The take down version lists for $1,435. Street price will be a bit less, but the trapper carbines will start around $900, the 20" carbines start at about $1,000, the rifle pattern short rifles and rifles will start just north of $1,100, and the take down rifles will start just north of $1,200. That's about twice the price you'll pay for the Rossi 92 in a similar configuration.

The Mioku made Winchesters start at "pricey" and go to "way too pricey". A 16" trapper takedown carbine lists for $1,779, a 24" deluxe rifle pattern Model 92 lists for $1,669, the 20" large loop carbine lists for $1,259, and the 20" short rifle is the best buy of the bunch at $1,069. Real world price for the 20" short rifle is about $970.

I have to say though that given a choice between the Miroku 20" short rifle for $970 and an Armi Sport / Chiappa for $1,100, I'd spend the extra $130 on the Armi Sport, and if I'm in the market for a carbine then Rossi is the clear choice.

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One other thing to consider about the Rossi Model 92 is that Rossi has actually been making Model 92s in modern straight wall pistol cartridges for over 40 years - longer than Winchester. Rossi has made a few modifications based on that experience such as modern coil springs and once you tune them up they are superb rifles and carbines that just plain run, and run, and run.
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Recoil in a properly made levergun, firing a handgun cartridge, does not exist!!!
It’s like the Bermuda Triangle.

The first time I fired the 44Mag and 45 Colt, even though we’re a 458WinMag 16.25” barreled family, I was hesitant for a nanosecond and then a mini-pop... and the bullet was down range.

The Rifleman’s nephew carried my ShoBud PSG from the store to the Van for ElleMae and Chuck’s son and my guitar playing brother were neighbors for years... drag boat on a ...for seriously large Bass....... Lake Castaic.

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I hope you have fired a 44 mag lever gun-especially one with the crescent butt plate-they can be painful.
I've had the little Rossi R92 in 44 Magnum for a couple of years. But at 5 pounds, I have never ever shot a 44 Magnum factory load in it. My go to round is a .431 Oregon Trail cast SWC sitting on 7 grains of Unique in a 44 Magnum case = 1150 fps - pleasant to shoot and quite accurate. Kind of like a 22 LR on steroids.
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I have read that Rossi is in the process of moving their factory.
Will take many months.
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