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Old 11-23-2019, 08:35 PM
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I used the search function and was surprised I found no reference to the fairly new Sig P365 SAS.

On one forum the reception, by those who have purchased and shot them, was not overly enthusiastic.

I still want to hold one and make my own decision about buying one. I have the 365 XL and a Hellcat and both work fine.

Does anyone here have any experience with the new SAS?

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Old 11-23-2019, 08:42 PM
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Big no for me. Shot a 365 SAS yesterday. I'd hoped to be impressed but wasn't.
Try as I might, consistently shot left roughly 3" at 7yds. With the sights lined up and holding the gun still, you could see why as that was the direction the slide pointed. And I didn't see a way to adjust the site.
The site was difficult to align. You pretty much have to center a green dot in s green circle, and both are small. I'm sure progressive lenses don't help here either.
The ported barrel blows stuff everywhere inside the slide. I can see, speaking for myself, the port reliefs in the slide being nothing but dirt and lint traps.
The darker it is, the less the fiber sites glow (duh). Sticking the gun in the darkness of my gun vault, they pretty much disappeared.
I suppose a 365 trigger is a 365 trigger....couldn't tell any difference between this one and my 365.
I could see using one for daytime carry only once you got accustomed to the sites, and maybe as a BUG, but I'm certainly not in the market for one.
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FWIW, Hickok45 on You Tube was pretty negative about this gun. He saw no need for the porting and disliked the sighting setup.

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Old 11-23-2019, 10:24 PM
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Every new sighting setup gets reamed in reviews because it's different. The Steyr M9 was vilified for the same reason, mostly by folk who had never shot one, naturally. I suspect the SAS will be loved by those that get it and hated by those that don't.
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I was not able to fire it but have seen and handled the S.A.S. 365. I wonít be buying one. It may be fine for others, but for me it is so much different from my other guns that I imagine it would slow me down if I ever needed to use it quickly. I guess itís a case of not teaching an old dog new tricks. Iím used to conventional sights and feel too old (stubborn) to change. The plain vanilla 365 I rather like. Much more pleasant than a PM9 or Kimber Solo.
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Thanks for the replies and it looks like there's not much love for the poor little SAS over here either.

I just want to locate one, fondle it and then make a decision. Looking a little negative for that decision now, though.

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FWIW, Hickok45 on You Tube was pretty negative about this gun. He saw no need for the porting and disliked the sighting setup.

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Hickok's criticism was mild compared to MAC's vitriol for the first example he tried. It hit 8" left at 8 yards with two different shooters. A used example at the store shot dead on. Seems like there is a QC/tolerance issue with setting up those sights.
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I love my 365 and its my most carried gun today. That said the 365 SAS is the answer to a question no one asked.
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I'm just an old retired Marine who (thought) the 1911 was pretty concealable, but these days are a whole different story. There are so many pistols that carry, shoot and conceal well. Now we have puny pistols that carry a dozen rounds of serviceable ammo. The SAS to me, seems to be more of a gimmick as the 365 seems just fine and I never heard a story yet of someone taking a dirt nap because their 365 snagged on their clothing. If we are to put much emphasis on sights during a defensive encounter, I don't see how the SAS system could possibly be quicker or any advantage at all.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:26 PM
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It’s not quicker. You have to make the circle and dot concentric to to have any hope for accuracy. All of a sudden, you’ll find yourself fixated on making that happen, and the fine adjustments that go with it, and NOT paying attention to the target. Better off with a flash sight picture than doing that.

By the way and for the record, even though I am carrying a P365 or j-frame right now, I can and do conceal a government sized 1911 gladly.

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The base 365 does it for me.
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Hickok's criticism was mild compared to MAC's vitriol for the first example he tried. It hit 8" left at 8 yards with two different shooters. A used example at the store shot dead on. Seems like there is a QC/tolerance issue with setting up those sights.
Let me first say, I do love SIG....first gun I ever owned was a SIG, that said.....the P365 series as a whole hasnt been spectacular starting with their firing pin issues....down to this SAS model.

I watched both MAC's video and Hickok45's, if you watch the Hickok video at about 15:10 mark.....when he shoots the paper....you can clearly see his shots are also going high/center left......

Further if you pause the video you can see some of his steel targets down range.....and all those have hits center/high left....

I think we can all agree Hickok45....like him or not.....knows how to shoot a handgun.....yet even his P365SAS was shooting left.

I didnt count how many shots he fired but he definitely seemed to miss more than usual as well.

Personally I agree with Hickok that the porting is unnecessary as it does nothing to help the shooter with such a short barrel and it just throws up gases and particles into the shooters face.

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I have a standard P365 that works flawlessly and is great i the accuracy dept. as well. I think what Sig has done is to capitalize on their relatively new and highly successful gun and gain market share by adding "sub" models of the original gun. That said, I do not like the SAS at all. First off I am not a Porting fan! Secondly, the controls are just about useless without tools. Thirdly, from what I've seen the sights are harder to acquire, especially in an emergency situation.

I find absolutely no snagging, no objections recoil and no problems of sights hanging up on my standard model and believe their new models are nothing more than about trying to gain market share with an un-needed sub model. Like someone mentioned above, an un-needed answer to a non issue. While I'd highly recommend the standard original model, I'd personally not recommend that anyone buy the variants. Just my opinion of course.

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Marketing has sure changed since Henry Ford offered his model T in any color you wanted, as long as it was black.

But variety sells, and anything that sits too long without being updated or "improved" becomes stagnant. Problem is "improved" isn't always better.

I do own a standard P365, and the gun itself was an example of something new that did offer an articulable improvement over other sub compact carry 9mm's on the market at the time. I tried an SAS just last week. The improvements on this model, not so much....

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