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You can have all the 66-8 you want, thereís plenty laying around, Iím getting a short barreled Python.
so sad.... I can't buy one here in Mass...... have to just be happy I hung onto my 6" bright SS King Cobra.... sold my 6" BSS Python when I was offered 3 times more than I pd for it ... But like you Lad ... I'd take a short barrel Python in a NY minute. Going to have to text my bud at Colt now and harass him .... going to check on JayF's gun, see if he has any info on it..
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I bought a 6" model and it also had chip or chatter marks on the crown. It is also on its way back to Colt. For those who keep score, I paid $1,550 out the door. So that's about $1458 after tax and PICS fee, which I think is fair considering it was just introduced.
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Just texted my bud... only issues so far were several getting out with the crown damaged.. but they got that fixed..
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just saw a video on the other forum about springs running amok.


I wouldn't be surprised Colt to ruin the little reputation they don't have left
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In this latest video provided, I wish
a control firearm, such as a 686 or
GP-100 was also used to test ammo.

Still, shooter said cylinder sometimes
didn't turn either.

All indicates too light a spring system.
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The cylinder not turning is disappointing. Reminds me of a Taurus I once had. I love the Colt Python and will one day get one, but I will probably wait awhile before I do now.

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As a gear head I have learned not to be in the first delivered of something new. I really had it stuck up my derriere by my new Vette I bought in 05. They tried many times to fix it and I finely in disgust traded in towards a 07 model.

Same with new guns I will let someone else be the unpaid Beta tester. The New Snake gun sounds OK but it is still different than its predecessors. Let someone else have the fun with a defective gun, IF I buy one it is a few months/year off.
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The cylinder not turning is disappointing. Reminds me of a Taurus I once had. I love the Colt Python and will one day get one, but I will probably wait awhile before I do now.
I think Colt is just trying to help people with their accuracy. Isnít it a major point of accurate shooting to always let the trigger break like glass and have the shot surprise you? I watched the video and I think having a gun that only goes off about half the time would really help accuracy. Because one never knows when it is going to go off after a trigger pull!

Plus you only get 3 or 4 shots per cylinder, so you better make them count!
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Very nice looking, good to hear colt is keeping up the quality. Cant wait to get my hands on one
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In the video, it looks like the shooter is jerking the trigger the times it doesn't fire. Obviously a highly skilled shooter...
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In the video, it looks like the shooter is jerking the trigger the times it doesn't fire. Obviously a highly skilled shooter...
He also accidentally lights one off looking over his shoulder at the camera confirming its recording the light strikes; at least he kept it pointed in a safe direction.

And later he looks down the barrel with the revolver in battery; just wasn't pretty to look at.

That said, a video worth adding to data and I give the dude credit for putting it out there.

The new Python has already had one recall, effected after it was sent to distributors/dealers but before it was officially announced and on the market. It was a change to the transfer bar system to issues with one ammo manufacturer's hard primers. The transfer bar wasn't letting enough energy transfer to light the rounds, so Colt decided to do a complete recall and update to the transfer bar so there'd be no issues with any brands of ammo, which I think is commendable.

I wonder if somehow either the recall didn't solve the problem, possibly worsened it, or if the Python from the video didn't get the update?

Alternately, it may be one of the inevitable lemons in an otherwise good run, or possibly evidence that Colt has a problem on its hands.

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.. evidence that Colt has a problem on its hands...
I think so. Another quote from the 1911 forum...dont know if that is true or not but that looks to me someone is clueless how to manufacture a 1/2 decent gun.

'As to pictures of some Pythons having nicks around the crown Colt has issued a statement that some crowns may have been nicked due to the jig they were mounted in for polishing. They have issued a statement apologizing to thier customers and said they have changed thier polishing mounts. They have also said anyone that has concerns about any marks on thier crown may contact them for a Return Authorization and an expedited return.'
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There is a giant Python 2020 thread on the Colt forum. Along about page 90 Colt Firearms Mfg joins in and discusses the issues with the muzzle crowns. They have identified the problem, fixed it, and are making the guns that went out with nicks right. It was nice to see them on a forum getting info out.
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Python is enroute to Ponyville.

Will advise as soon as I learn anything. Thanks all stay tuned, praying to god they can return the gun all fixed up and ready to rock.
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There is a giant Python 2020 thread on the Colt forum. Along about page 90 Colt Firearms Mfg joins in and discusses the issues with the muzzle crowns. They have identified the problem, fixed it, and are making the guns that went out with nicks right. It was nice to see them on a forum getting info out.
I see...but that tells me everything right there...some clueless management approving SOPs to ramrod into the barrel for polishing...I mean...really.
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Colt's official acknowledgment over on ColtForum.com:

Dear Customers,

We are very sorry that the shipment of Python Revolvers that you received was defective. We understand your disappointment and appreciate the inconvenience this must have caused you.
There is no question that the product we shipped did not meet the very high standards our customers have come to expect and should continue to demand and receive without a doubt.
In our effort to improve the overall quality of our products, we have found the root cause that damaged the crown and immediately fixed this issue. We have since implemented strict Quality inspections to the production standards and can assure you that we are in the process of completing more thorough manufacturing and inspection. We can provide a reason for this issue and the solution if you deem necessary.
I can promise you that the highest quality standards will be met in the future because protecting our reputation for delivering the best product on the market is a key priority for us. Again, I apologize for our mistake and regret any inconvenience caused as a result.
We look forward to continuing the mutually beneficial relationship with our Customers.
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Maybe they will do better with the 4inch variants, I'm still pretty excited about and will buy it quality controlled or not... she may have to go back to her mothership we shall see, the marlin 1895sbl I have has go back 4 times so no worries hahah
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I will give them credit for stepping up and admitting there's a problem and doing something about it. Others, at times, have just said "it's within specs" and refused to address problems with their products.
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I canít guess how many threads Iíve seen in the 14 years Iíve been on this forum that complain about S&Wís shortcomings, but Iím sure S&W never joined this forum and openly addressed the issues.

Good for Colt. They seem to really want to get this right, and that goes a long way.
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I canít guess how many threads Iíve seen in the 14 years Iíve been on this forum that complain about S&Wís shortcomings, but Iím sure S&W never joined this forum and openly addressed the issues.

Good for Colt. They seem to really want to get this right, and that goes a long way.
Yup, and if you look at the join date, it's this month -- Colt doing new things (for them) in customer outreach and issue acknowledgement. I hope it doesn't turn out to be an imposter (presumably the Colt forum admins check for this).

Just another thing I hope S&W is paying attention to -- engaging its most devoted customers on the forums -- beyond the fact that competition in the revolver game has significantly increased in recent years and in some respects passed them by...
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Yup, and if you look at the join date, it's this month -- Colt doing new things (for them) in customer outreach and issue acknowledgement. I hope it doesn't turn out to be an imposter (presumably the Colt forum admins check for this).

Just another thing I hope S&W is paying attention to -- engaging its most devoted customers on the forums -- beyond the fact that competition in the revolver game has significantly increased in recent years and in some respects passed them by...
Yep, and Colt is very active on Facebook responding to questions and complaints. I hope S&W is taking notes.
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In the video, it looks like the shooter is jerking the trigger the times it doesn't fire. Obviously a highly skilled shooter...
He also needs a lesson in unloading and loading, especially with speed loaders.

+ eye protection.

Overall, good to hear about issues.
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Itís not unusual for early teething problems . Has everyone forgot about Rugers early problems with the first RedHawks They had barrels leaving the frame and flying down range during shooting sessions. Today the redhawk is a fine handgun and has been totally reliable for many years now . Sig had real teething problems with the early P380 . Today people are buying them and seem very happy . Harley Davidson had real problems with the first year (1936) knucklehead motors . In time they were mostly remedied and it remained in use through 1947 . The (evolution) motor made an early debut about 1984 . It too had early problems yet after those were fixed it remained the mainstay motor at HD for over 15 yrs . I have full confidence in Colt making fine handguns , regards Paul
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Itís not unusual for early teething problems . Has everyone forgot about Rugers early problems with the first RedHawks They had barrels leaving the frame and flying down range during shooting sessions. Today the redhawk is a fine handgun and has been totally reliable for many years now . Sig had real teething problems with the early P380 . Today people are buying them and seem very happy . Harley Davidson had real problems with the first year (1936) knucklehead motors . In time they were mostly remedied and it remained in use through 1947 . The (evolution) motor made an early debut about 1984 . It too had early problems yet after those were fixed it remained the mainstay motor at HD for over 15 yrs . I have full confidence in Colt making fine handguns , regards Paul
I agree with this. It's a new gun. It's not unheard of a new gun has teething problems.

As we all know who've had this hobby a while, it is dangerous to be an early adopter no matter how tempting.

Why do I get the impression some people want this new gun to fail?
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The gentleman above in the video clearly is an amateur at best, with a lack of PPE and negligent discharge to boot turned me off right away, he has 2 more videos as well and I always try to gather as much information as I can and form my own opinion.

From what I can see he may be short stroking the trigger maybe not. His immediate extraction of light primer strikes would have me air on the side of caution, I myself have had a light strike go off cylinder in/and out, and then had to change my shorts(school of hard knocks).

In his second video he explained his issues, simulating the problem( looks to me like short stroking the gun) how it locked up. I can do that on most o fmy Smith's and tie the gun up. I believe a machine is meant to run a certain way. Also in the video He's contacted colt(bashing them) reaching out threw social media DEMANDING somebody contact him immediately then being upset that he had to ship the same gun back for warranty work and he would not get a NEW replacement....

I think most of us have dealt with some sort of factory warranty work, past or present and IMO they want to make it right you should firs let them before you BASH them and the rude nonsense... for crying out loud somebody from colt reached out to him!! That's some first rate service.

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This is why you never buy anything within the first year of production.

The young man in the video didn't show the cylinder not turning. He simply stated it had happened and they had footage of it. He seems pretty ignorant on running a revolver, so I'm not sure if it's a problem with the gun, or if he's short stroking the trigger.
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Colt forum's declaring the newly-joined "Colt rep" is a fake, but apparently the muzzle issue, its cause and the fix are legit.
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'Other than the cylinder not turning...I like it.'
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He also accidentally lights one off looking over his shoulder at the camera confirming its recording the light strikes; at least he kept it pointed in a safe direction.
It would have been ironic if that was the shot he actually hit the target with. As far as the light primer strikes when shooting slow in double-action, could it be that the strain screw wasn't all the way in?
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I will give them credit for stepping up and admitting there's a problem and doing something about it. Others, at times, have just said "it's within specs" and refused to address problems with their products.
ďItís within specsĒ is also Coltís line when asked repeatedly about the thumb safety over travel on their 1911s. Iíll give the new Python a try.
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It would have been ironic if that was the shot he actually hit the target with. As far as the light primer strikes when shooting slow in double-action, could it be that the strain screw wasn't all the way in?
I'm not sure how the new leaf design works, so I can't say. But Colt already performed a recall on the Python after it shipped but before it was on sale, to re-engineer the transfer bar after lightstrike issues; I wonder if the Python in that video somehow hadn't gotten the update.

That poor dude's taken a lot of well-deserved heat online for his dubious firearms handling, and that made it easy for some to discount the lightstrike and cylinder rotation issues; now that Hickok45 has posted the exact same problems, folks are understandably more concerned.
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Love them or not PAC’s we’re responsible for filling up buckets at gun shops with factory wood at the time of sale. Function was at the top of everyone’s list, not beautiful factory correct stocks.


How did this happen??? I was posting on another thread not this one ?????????????

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I'm not sure how the new leaf design works, so I can't say. But Colt already performed a recall on the Python after it shipped but before it was on sale, to re-engineer the transfer bar after lightstrike issues; I wonder if the Python in that video somehow hadn't gotten the update.

That poor dude's taken a lot of well-deserved heat online for his dubious firearms handling, and that made it easy for some to discount the lightstrike and cylinder rotation issues; now that Hickok45 has posted the exact same problems, folks are understandably more concerned.
I was going to post about Hickock45 running into the same issue of the cylinder not rotating as the clown linked above, but he didn't run into the light strike issue that Bubba did. But Hickock45 also knows how to shoot a revolver, unlike Bubba Glock-boy above too. I quit watching the video above right after Bubba let an unaimed round off downrange in a show of poor gun handling.
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Colt's official acknowledgment over on ColtForum.com:

Dear Customers,

We are very sorry that the shipment of Python Revolvers that you received was defective. We understand your disappointment and appreciate the inconvenience this must have caused you.
There is no question that the product we shipped did not meet the very high standards our customers have come to expect and should continue to demand and receive without a doubt.
In our effort to improve the overall quality of our products, we have found the root cause that damaged the crown and immediately fixed this issue. We have since implemented strict Quality inspections to the production standards and can assure you that we are in the process of completing more thorough manufacturing and inspection. We can provide a reason for this issue and the solution if you deem necessary.
I can promise you that the highest quality standards will be met in the future because protecting our reputation for delivering the best product on the market is a key priority for us. Again, I apologize for our mistake and regret any inconvenience caused as a result.
We look forward to continuing the mutually beneficial relationship with our Customers.
Sincerely,

Colt Firearms MFG.

I give them no credit for this admission. They are revealing that their quality control is nonexistent. How did those guns get out? No one noticed the messed up crowns? What else is a problem that they didn't notice because no one is looking?
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This is why you never buy anything within the first year of production.

The young man in the video didn't show the cylinder not turning. He simply stated it had happened and they had footage of it. He seems pretty ignorant on running a revolver, so I'm not sure if it's a problem with the gun, or if he's short stroking the trigger.
It's shown several times in the video. Take another look.
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I quit watching the video above right after Bubba let an unaimed round off downrange in a show of poor gun handling.
Why in the world did he not edit that out?
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It would have been ironic if that was the shot he actually hit the target with. As far as the light primer strikes when shooting slow in double-action, could it be that the strain screw wasn't all the way in?
Does the gun have a strain screw? I think that's just on S&W's.

Colt mainsprings are quite different.

If you were making a joke, it didn't register as one. Maybe if you used a winking Smilie?
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Does the gun have a strain screw? I think that's just on S&W's.

Colt mainsprings are quite different.

If you were making a joke, it didn't register as one. Maybe if you used a winking Smilie?
No, I honestly did not know. I have never taken the grips off my Colts and just assumed it was similar to the S&W's. But I should have known it was different, as one of the experts such as yourself would already have suggested it.
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I give them no credit for this admission. They are revealing that their quality control is nonexistent. How did those guns get out? No one noticed the messed up crowns? What else is a problem that they didn't notice because no one is looking?
Alas, that turned out to be a fraud -- not an official response from Colt.
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Alas, that turned out to be a fraud -- not an official response from Colt.
Must be Russian hackers spreading FUD. And, btw, it's Colt Manufacturing Company LLC.
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Why in the world did he not edit that out?
I really don't know Scott, but that made me quit watching his clip. There is already enough video clips out there with poor handling of firearms without having another posted as a "review" that shows an unintentional, unaimed discharge downrange while the idiot posting it was paying attention to the video camera rather than his loaded weapon.

EDIT: and Texas Star, the strain screw thing would have been something I might have suggested too. But I also don't own any Colt revolvers and don't know them at all either. But I might consider one of these new Pythons though, after they work the bugs out. I think they are quite good looking and they don't have that ugly hole in the left side of the frame either.

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Alas, that turned out to be a fraud -- not an official response from Colt.
Either way, my statement is still correct. Clearly Colt has no quality control.
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I really don't know Scott, but that made me quit watching his clip. There is already enough video clips out there with poor handling of firearms without having another posted as a "review" that shows an unintentional, unaimed discharge downrange while the idiot posting it was paying attention to the video camera rather than his loaded weapon.
You guys are missing the point of the video. The gun doesn't work. The fact that the guy's gun handling skills leave something be desired is immaterial. He did nothing to cause the failures. Colt did that all by themselves.
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You guys are missing the point of the video. The gun doesn't work. The fact that the guy's gun handling skills leave something be desired is immaterial. He did nothing to cause the failures. Colt did that all by themselves.
John, I had already seen one failure like that in Hickok45's 2020 Python review, and without the bad gun handling. So yes, there is something happening to cause the hand not to advance the cylinder on at least a few of these guns. But I am thinking that at worst, Colt's QA is no worse off than the rather spotty QA that Smith & Wesson provides nowadays either. I am glad to see that Jay bought one of these and we will see how Colt handles the problems he has found with it.
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But I am thinking that at worst, Colt's QA is no worse off than the rather spotty QA that Smith & Wesson provides nowadays either.
Amen to that Doc!
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Well I'm glad I didn't put money down on a new Python yet.

Nobody can build a solid and reliable revolver these days. My S&W model 69 is on its way back to the factory for the canted barrel sleeve. I've had a new 686 plus fail to carry up in double action once.

My Ruger GP100 costs almost a third of what the python costs, and always goes bang. Seems like the GP100 is a solid go to.
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...And, btw, it's Colt Manufacturing Company LLC.
A slightly head-scratching aside, but if we're being technical, it's Colt's Manufacturing Company, [note comma] LLC.

And everyone calls it Colt.

Including Colt.
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Interesting. I had numerous Colts and will consider giving them a shot (ha ha) at my business in 2020. Best, TH
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