|
|
01-10-2020, 11:36 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Netherlands Rotter
Posts: 1,894
Likes: 1,360
Liked 2,051 Times in 569 Posts
|
|
My Glisenti model 1889/1922
Just arrived in my collection. A Glisenti model 1889/1922. Actualy the revolver is made by Castelli. Caliber is 10.4. Condition is great.
The revolver has a so called Abadie safety feature. When de loading gate is open the sear in the hammer is pushed backwards.
So, when you pull the trigger only the cilinder will rotate. The hammer will not cock at all. This device is also to unload the revolver.
You can turn the cilinder with the trigger and with the other hand use the ejectorrod. It is a very sturdy made revolver.
The lock is a so called warnant lock. Almost the same what you will find in a Colt Python. But the trigger pull is not that silck as the good old snake.
Last edited by Thuer; 01-10-2020 at 11:37 AM.
|
The Following 14 Users Like Post:
|
bigwheelzip, brucev, CZU, desi2358, gregintenn, Hunter Keith, jlrhiner, krsmith58, Kurusu, moosedog, Rudi, tt66, Walter Rego, Warren Sear |
01-10-2020, 05:01 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Harlem, Ohio
Posts: 14,354
Likes: 23,195
Liked 26,159 Times in 9,069 Posts
|
|
I believe the case is the same as 44 S&W Russian. The loadings of those old rounds were all about the same, but some countries wand heavier or lighter bullets, and varied the powder charge to match. Just about anything that will chamber will shoot close to the sights at 25 yards or closer. Have fun!
Ivan
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-10-2020, 05:20 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: sw pa
Posts: 933
Likes: 354
Liked 602 Times in 246 Posts
|
|
Has that Nagant look.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-10-2020, 05:27 PM
|
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 12,990
Likes: 17,229
Liked 41,503 Times in 9,146 Posts
|
|
Nice find. Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that Abadie gate-loading system on the Swiss Schmidt Model 1882, I thought it was genius.
|
The Following 8 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-10-2020, 05:33 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Netherlands Rotter
Posts: 1,894
Likes: 1,360
Liked 2,051 Times in 569 Posts
|
|
It is . But it was first at the so called what a suprise Abadie revolver from Portugal.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-10-2020, 05:34 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Netherlands Rotter
Posts: 1,894
Likes: 1,360
Liked 2,051 Times in 569 Posts
|
|
Bummer. The Nagant was 1895
|
01-10-2020, 07:29 PM
|
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 12,990
Likes: 17,229
Liked 41,503 Times in 9,146 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thuer
It is . But it was first at the so called what a suprise Abadie revolver from Portugal.
|
Hadn't heard of that one. I like that it was 9.1mm. Do you have one of those also?
|
01-10-2020, 08:21 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1,512
Liked 5,559 Times in 1,602 Posts
|
|
I like it Thuer. Not particularly graceful, but historically interesting and charming as an example of what was going on in different countries with double action revolver design around the turn of the 20th century. I have a Swiss Ordonnanzrevolver Modell 1882 revolver that also has the Abadie device. It's simple but effective for quick unloading and reloading for a non-swing out cylinder design.
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-11-2020, 07:03 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Netherlands Rotter
Posts: 1,894
Likes: 1,360
Liked 2,051 Times in 569 Posts
|
|
Not yet. Bigwheelzip
here is a picture of the French model 1892 lock. It has also the Abadie safety. Aldo it is a revolver with a swingout cilinder. It is now a real safetydevice.
Last edited by Thuer; 01-11-2020 at 07:08 AM.
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-11-2020, 12:52 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NE Texas
Posts: 979
Likes: 2,072
Liked 4,666 Times in 652 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheelzip
Nice find. Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that Abadie gate-loading system on the Swiss Schmidt Model 1882, I thought it was genius.
|
That's some mighty nice straw on the M82!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-11-2020, 08:36 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1,512
Liked 5,559 Times in 1,602 Posts
|
|
Here is a Swedish M1887 Nagant action for comparison. The action is very similar to the Swiss revolver and a few of its contemporaries but it does not have the Abadie device.
The device can be seen just behind the hand on bigwheelzip's example and Thuer's French Mle. 1892. As you can see, these guns have a pretty simple but fairly robust design although I don't know if the V spring is prone to breakage. Even if it was, it can be replaced very easily and without tools other than a screwdriver to swing open as in the case of the Swiss, or totally remove the sideplate. They sure won't rival an S&W M&P for smoothness or weight of pull though !
Last edited by Walter Rego; 01-11-2020 at 08:43 PM.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 05:57 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,141
Likes: 10,960
Liked 10,858 Times in 3,275 Posts
|
|
Here are pictures of my Italian Ordnance Model 1889 (aka Bodeo), caliber 10.4mm.
Note the folding trigger, which I think is cool!
More info can be found here... Bodeo Model 1889 - Wikipedia
Last edited by Warren Sear; 01-12-2020 at 06:04 PM.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 06:01 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,141
Likes: 10,960
Liked 10,858 Times in 3,275 Posts
|
|
Here is a picture of the lockwork. The side plate can be removed, and the lockwork dis-assembled, without any tools. The red arrow points to the thumbscrew that is used to release the side plate.
I hand load ammo for mine, using 152 grain (IIRC) wad cutter home cast bullets and Trail Boss powder.
Notice the cases are slightly bottlenecked. I make cases from 44-40, NOT .44 Russian (which are smaller in the case head area)...
Last edited by Warren Sear; 01-12-2020 at 06:03 PM.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 06:16 PM
|
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 12,990
Likes: 17,229
Liked 41,503 Times in 9,146 Posts
|
|
Folding trigger! The variations of innovation coming to market a century ago are so interesting.
Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
__________________
Slava Ukraini!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 06:30 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,141
Likes: 10,960
Liked 10,858 Times in 3,275 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheelzip
Folding trigger! The variations of innovation coming to market a century ago are so interesting.
Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
|
Colt had a folding trigger in 1836!
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 06:40 PM
|
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 12,990
Likes: 17,229
Liked 41,503 Times in 9,146 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren Sear
Colt had a folding trigger in 1836!
|
You guys have such great pieces. Thanks y'all for sharing.
Closest I have to classic is a late model 1892 lever rifle.
Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
__________________
Slava Ukraini!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
01-12-2020, 06:44 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Twin Cites, Minnesota
Posts: 5,141
Likes: 10,960
Liked 10,858 Times in 3,275 Posts
|
|
^^^ PICS PLEASE!!!!
|
01-12-2020, 08:15 PM
|
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 12,990
Likes: 17,229
Liked 41,503 Times in 9,146 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren Sear
^^^ PICS PLEASE!!!!
|
Who, me? My 24" Rossi 92 in .357 isn't in the same league as our European members handgun acquisition, and too far adrift.
I sure love learning about the oldies youse guys have though.
Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
__________________
Slava Ukraini!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|