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Default Found an old (1946) Winchester 61 pump-action .22 rifle

Wood is perfect and nice but not original, and there is a stamp saying it came from Boyds in 2017. The receiver and barrel has a lot of bluing wear, surface rust, and some pitting. I cleaned it up and and the surface rust is gone. However, the bore is bright, with sharp rifling. And the action is flawless, smooth and perfectly functional.

This is my first 61 and I can see why people like it. I paid $350 + tax for it at a pawn shop.




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Very good price, congratulations!

Were you planning on posting photos?
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You did very well regardless of the aftermarket wood. 61s are fantastic rifles, some of the finest .22s ever manufactured IMO. A Model 61 with some bowling pins is a ton of fun.
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Pictures or it didn't happen!!!!!!!! :-)
We love photos of old Winchesters!

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The price that you paid for the old Winchester is more than fair, even with the problems that it had. I have an old 62 with over 30 K rounds thru it, with very few problems. Great rifles!I also have a 63 that is like new and a model 75 target that I received for my 10 th birthday in 1956.All work flawlessly.
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That is a solid buy for $350. You get an excellent firearm that will last forever if cared for. Can't beat that and it has the fantastic styling of an old Winchester!

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congrats , sounds like you did well but can't tell by the photos .kenny , texas
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You did very well. I love Winchester .22s and have many. When I was a kid I wanted a pump Winchester. I am still scratching that itch. As was said above, we need pictures.

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Very nice indeed. They sure put that new Winchester Wildcat to shame!! Can't beat the old craftsmanship way back when.
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Great shooter, good price!. they are fun
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Nice! I picked up a minty 1944 a couple years ago. What a fun gun to shoot. You got a good deal on that one.
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Couple of pics of My 1949 vintage that I traded a model 41 for. Only had $500 in the 41. 2nd best shooting .22 I have. 1933 vintage 52 is the best. You did good on Yours.
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Congratulations: Built during a time when Winchester could and would build quality guns!
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I have a nice early model 61. Not grooved for scope. Slick and accurate rifle.
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I have owned the model on the bottom of Wududnee;s pic with the 4 nice rifles showing. I kick myself still for selling it off long ago now. Maybe I will get lucky and have another one fall into my hands.
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Nice 61. Great price for a shooter with a nice bore. I'd have grabbed that in a minute.

Orig 'take off' wood from another rifle is usually available if you watch Ebay and some of the other Gun Auction/Sales sites.
(There's pre-war style wood and post-war style if you do get in to that)
...But it won't make it shoot any better than it is now!

Nice find!
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This is my Mod 61, found her in a box of parts, fore-stock broken into three parts Magazine tube missing as was the butt stock and sights, she was discarded with a bunch of other metal parts of stuff. Started out repairing fore stock and finding magazine tubes and hangers. Butt stock was missing so picked up a blank and added that. Went to shoot her and she could not hold a 4 inch group at 50 yards. I believe someone tried to shoot her with a little ice in the bore and it stretched the muzzle. Relined the barrel and then she would shoot as well as any pump rifle. After the first several hundred rounds A Federal 22 "standard velocity" round
that must have had a supreme overload blew up and send the ejector flying about 30 yards to South. A replacement extractor took about a month to locate and she was back in business. Shoots very well, a delight to carry and one of my prizes, cost nothing to buy, but took many hours to get her going.

A lot of work but I have wanted one since I was a little kid and now I have one and love it.

Safety Note: Never stand to the right alongside of a rifle that ejects rounds to the right, this extractor could easily have injured a person. As those of you who have them know it is impossible to make a mod 61 fire without the bolt being fully closed. Federal will argue with you, but I doubt that many employees at Federal customer service have much knowledge of the action of a Mod 61.

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I don't know who designed the 61 Winchester, but the style has been around a long time and produced by various makers. I have a Model 29 Savage, looks just like the 61, takedown. I had to replace the ejector, which was pretty inexpensive. The rifle is an early one, octagonal barrel. I brought the wood up; all it needed was some steel wool and Tru Oil.

I also have a Meriden that looks like the Savage. Now I learn of the Winchester 61, three peas in a pod. I put tang sights on both of them, had to do some extensive barrel work on the Meriden...barrel relined. But I was into it for a fairly low price, so I could afford it and still stay on top. The Meriden has an octagonal barrel, also.

Outside metal is pretty good on both rifles, patina on both but the finish isn't rusted.

On reading the O Post, I searched for who designed this rifle, but couldn't find any info. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the info.
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The M61 was designed by 2 gents in the Winchester R&D Dept.
Harold Crocket (sp?) and Frank Burton

T.C. Johnson was head of the R&D and is sometimes given the credit for the Model 61 design and pat. But it was the above two that did the work and I believe their names are on the patents.

The 61 had to work around existing patented features of the FN Pump.22 already on the market (not often seen and I believe was not marketed commercially in the USA) and Remingtons Model 12.

The *Meriden Model 15 was pat by the two sons (John & ??) of Arthur Savage (Savage Arms Co).
Working for Meriden arms they also have their names on Meridens 12ga Pump shotgun sometimes called the Model 1912.

When Meriden went under never to return to business a the end of WW1/1918,,the pat and rights to mfg the *Meriden Mod1915 22 pump were bought by Oscar Mossberg.
He was just starting his company up in 1921/22 & started mfg the Mossberg Model M & K ( and L ?) .22 pump rifles which were built on that Meriden patent.

The Meriden pump 12ga shotgun I believe reappeared as the Savage model 1921 pump shotgun.
I have a Meriden 12ga pump and the Savage 1921 appears quite alike.
The Savage being designed and pat by Art.Savage' sons the other Meriden pat being sold off in auction may make some sense that the pump shotgun design could have ended up with Savage after WW1.
Often compared to the Win M12, it is more a hybrid of a Remington M10 bolt with a Win12 carrier & side ejection.

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Great find. Hope you enjoy it.

I have a Winchester model 61 that was gifted to me by a neighbor back in the mid 60's. The rifle dates to 1948. It has a 2.5 power Weaver scope attached. It's been re-finished along the way, and still shoots and functions great. Love these old pump and lever rimfires.
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NICE find....those old pumps are works of art..

Not sure if I had a 61 back in the 1980s or not as a lot of guns came through my hands back then...just love .22 rifles... About 4 years ago I was in a shop in Connecticut and there on the rack was a mint looking early 61...of course being mint it had been refinished...

Looked like at one point someone had D&T two holes for a scope mount just ahead of the receiver on the top of the barrel. On the receiver was a small solid steel custom made scope base with a period correct 4X weaver scope...that was surprisingly clear. The two holes had been welded up and apparently the entire rifle reblued...but whoever did the work knew what they were doing. The stock was also 100% and the butt had beautiful wood...

But being D&T in two places and having been refinished the shop felt that it had no collector value and since it wasn't a "modern" .22 was only worth $175.00....I about sprained my wrist getting my wallet out...

Thing is a joy to shoot. I had my local old timey gunsmith make a new base for it so it will take any size scope and put on a nice clear Bushnell 3/4" tube scope...but still have the original setup...

...now if I could just fine a "decent" .22 Magnum for under a grand I would really be happy...

...if I remember correctly this is a 57xxx serial number...1939 maybe...too old to be worth anything to anybody... ;-)

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Just a great buy! Great gun and great and great price.
Another big plus is that you can use it and not worry about
a scratch or a ding.
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My Meriden is a Model 15, prior to WW1. Which is one reason I had to get the barrel relined...too much BP or 50-50 smokeless/black ruined the bore. I think this was called "Lesmoke." According to Phillip Sharp, "American Rifle" this was quite accurate.
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You are correct,,the Meriden pump is the Model (19) 15.
I'll correct my post, I had it as the Model (19)14.
AFAIK they never made a Model 14. They had a small single shot 22, Model 10, I believe.
I should have seen that as I had a nice deluxe Meriden Mod 15 pump at one time!

Meriden Firearms was gone by the end of WW1.
The US Govt backed conglomerate of New England-Westinghouse took them over some time during 1918 for WW1 production of I'd have to guess small parts. Much in the same way they took control of the Stevens Arms Co. (and I believe Hopkins & Allen too)

Neither survived after WW1.
Meriden bankrupt & never to return.
Stevens was bankrupt and the assets and factory sold to Savage Arms Co. in 1920.
Savage put the Stevens factory to use and continued to use the Stevens name.
Then Savage moved their orig Savage Arms/Utica NY operation to the old Stevens plant in Chicopee MA just after the end of WW2.

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Nice gun and a great buy! I sold mine and am still kicking myself....maybe one to replace this year. As others have said, it is a lot of fun to shoot. Everyone at the range should have a pile of different .22's to enjoy. ;-)
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Great find. Hope you enjoy it.

I have a Winchester model 61 that was gifted to me by a neighbor back in the mid 60's. The rifle dates to 1948. It has a 2.5 power Weaver scope attached. It's been re-finished along the way, and still shoots and functions great. Love these old pump and lever rimfires.

I thought the late 40s Winchester 61s didn't have a grooved receiver (like mine doesn't), so how were you able to attach a scope?

My gun doesn't have grooves, and no one drilled and tapped it, so I am left using iron sights.
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Winchester didn't start grooving the receivers on 61s till 1954. Guns made before that were D&T on either the barrel or reciever for a scope mount...usually a small 3/4" tube scope.

In thinking about it, I had one back in the early 1990s that had a barrel mount and old Weaver scope.

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Working for Meriden arms they also have their names on Meridens 12ga Pump shotgun sometimes called the Model 1912.

The Meriden pump 12ga shotgun I believe reappeared as the Savage model 1921 pump shotgun.
I have a Meriden 12ga pump and the Savage 1921 appears quite alike.
The Savage being designed and pat by Art.Savage' sons the other Meriden pat being sold off in auction may make some sense that the pump shotgun design could have ended up with Savage after WW1.
Often compared to the Win M12, it is more a hybrid of a Remington M10 bolt with a Win12 carrier & side ejection.
That is interesting, I have a Savage 1921 and have never found much about their history.
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