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Old 01-14-2020, 03:51 AM
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Folks, if you fast forward to 7:37 you will see this guys groups at 15ft to 21ft was not very impressive for a gun that is capable of shooting much better groups. Bad shot or not, most striker fired pistols even the worse ones can do 1.5" groups at 21ft without trying too hard.

I don't think I am going to spend this much money on a gun that can't outshoot my MP 2.0 Compact with 4" barrel


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This guy’s marksmanship is hardly the pistol’s fault. Watching the video, this guy would greatly benefit from some personal instruction.
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
Can you elaborate on why?

Mine 220s and 245s date back to the late 80s (W Ger) and early 90s all are great guns. My W.Ger 220 will shoot cloverleafs at 50 ft...... not so much me anymore!!!!!
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
I once owned a Glock, and I have nothing negative to say about them. My only problem with them is that I'm no fan of plastic guns. I do however own several external hammer Sigs and for me they are terrific guns. The P220 is my favorite. I'd be curious to know what you don't like about them. Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
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I don't have a P229 but I wouldn't mind having one in .357Sig. I have a P220 and it's a super good gun. Larry
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I do however own several external hammer Sigs and for me they are terrific guns. The P220 is my favorite.
wow..long slide 220 match elite. Got to love it. That would be my favorite too.

I run the 17 lbs Wolff hammer spring in all of mine, 9mm, 10 and 45 with the SRT (short reset triggers). They are all high beaver tail as Elite and Legions have it with Hogue G10s. I have yet to find a DA/SA competition gun that is equal in trigger pull and comfort for me. They are all high beaver tail as Elite and Legions have it with Hogue G10s. Just awesome.
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I once owned a Glock, and I have nothing negative to say about them. My only problem with them is that I'm no fan of plastic guns. I do however own several external hammer Sigs and for me they are terrific guns. The P220 is my favorite. I'd be curious to know what you don't like about them. Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
I have a Sig Sauer P220 caliber .45 ACP equal to yours, for the serial number it must be 1993, I can only say that it is excellent, it has been with me for more than 20 years and I never had problems.
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...Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
Good advice. Between modern semi-auto handguns from any of the major, reputable makers, there isn’t a lot of difference at the bottom line (reliability and accuracy). The manual of arms may be different, but most of them will do approximately what the others do, and which one you feel most confident with is likely what’s most important. Metal SIGs are just as good as they’ve ever been, no matter what YouTube says. In spite of its rather high bore-axis, I particularly like the P226, but they’re all good guns.
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
REALLY? I wouldn't trade my old 228 & 229 for a crocker sack full of Glocks. You can't whittle away a 228 or 229 with a pocket knife like you can with a plastic glock.
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
Oooh Bubba, you done stepped in it now.
Lots of lovers of the all metal, hammer fired Sigs here, including me.
Personally, I have no use or desire for any striker fired piece of plastic. On this subject we'll just have to agree to disagree. No matter how wrong you are.

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Definitely can’t blame the gun for the shooter’s weaknesses. I have a lot of choices if the SHTF; it’ll be my 229 going with me down range. It’s well built, 100% reliable and more accurate than I am.
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My personal opinion is that the Legion thing is essentially a marketing ploy, but my Sig P220 are far more accurate than am I.

I have a P220 in .45acp that I bought new in 1995 that has been back to Sig once in its lifetime for a refresh and it still shoots lights out.

I recently snagged a P220 in .38 super at an excellent price from a local estate and it shoots like a laser.

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REALLY? I wouldn't trade my old 228 & 229 for a crocker sack full of Glocks. You can't whittle away a 228 or 229 with a pocket knife like you can with a plastic glock.
Okay, first of all...crocker sack? Second, why the heck would anyone whittle away at a Glock with a pocket knife?
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As much as I like my P232's and I can get consistent rapid fire goupings with them, I have to admit I shoot my CZ's better- particularly the Rami-which is a little smaller.

Can't say I like the aesthetics of the new Sigs either. Too "tacti-cool".
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I foolishly traded off the best shooting gun I've ever owned (maybe 25 years ago), which was a P228. I lost faith in the 9mm the day I shot a bunny rabbit with it (I'm talking Kentucky cottontail, not a Texas Jackrabbit), and the bullet entered the front of the rabbit and was found lodged in the hindquarter when I skinned it for the grill.

I sold all of my 9mm's and just got back into owning them a couple of years back. Haven't shot a bunny yet, nor have I replaced the 228 yet, but I need to, if only to see if it was just that one. However my 229 shoots almost as good, but I'm still getting used to that DAK trigger.

My only plastic striker guns are a Shield 45 and a PMR 30, both shoot very well, but I'm not able to do much good with any Glock I've tried.
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I had a new P229 for a few years. I wasn't impressed and I sold it. I would buy a new P226 however in a heartbeat because I've shot several and they're excellent accurate pistols.

I have since moved away from Sig. Last pistol purchased was an HK45. More money but it's a better pistol than any Sig I've owned, and I've owned a few. Still have one that will stay forever.
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I go shooting with friends, after a few shots they look at me and ask me to shoot their gun because they can't put shots on target.

I usually fire the first round near or bullseye.

It 'aint the guns.
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I have since moved away from Sig.
To high a bore axis for my liking..been through a bunch of P220's, just don't keep them.
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I'm a huge fan of the P229 also. The Legions, IMO are pretty much a marketing gimmick with a bad finish. This 229 elite stainless is in 9mm. It shoots straight and has very little recoil. Weighs a ton, but it's one of my favorite shooters.
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I too used to think the "all metal" SIGs with the external hammer would make superb fighting handguns. Then I screwed up and bought two them. Never again! If I want a semiauto fighting pistol, it will be a Glock or an M&P of some sort.
I own zero Glocks and zero striker fired polymer framed guns. I do however, own Sig Sauers in multiples. (Also Smith & Wessons) For a very good reason. They are lights out accurate and virtually indestructible. 4 West German (4) P220s, a P226, P229 and 2 P239s.

Can you explain why you think these polymer throw aways are preferred fighting equipment?
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Okay, first of all...crocker sack? Second, why the heck would anyone whittle away at a Glock with a pocket knife?
Crocker sack= Sack made of burlap. Used on the farm. Would hold about 100 lbs. of fertilizer or 1 bushel of corn. If one wanted to a sharp knife or a heat gun could render a glock into shavings or a gooey mess in short order. Or a dog could chew it up.......Won't happen with any metal gun. If glocks were free I'd pass.
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Mike, there are actually quite a number of pictures of Glocks chewed-up by dogs on line. Google it. It must happen with surprising frequency!
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Folks, if you fast forward to 7:37 you will see this guys groups at 15ft to 21ft was not very impressive for a gun that is capable of shooting much better groups. Bad shot or not, most striker fired pistols even the worse ones can do 1.5" groups at 21ft without trying too hard.

I don't think I am going to spend this much money on a gun that can't outshoot my MP 2.0 Compact with 4" barrel


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Can you explain why you think these polymer throw aways are preferred fighting equipment?[/QUOTE]

I like revolvers, sporting rifles and shotguns with walnut stocks. I think that most people who know me would tell you that I am pretty traditional. That said, when I pick up a fighting rifle or pistol, I don't want a safe queen. I really wanted to like my P series SIGs. Here are my reasons for not.

1) The bore axis is way too high.
2) SIG customer service is not the best. This is being polite.
3) Purchasing magazines is frustrating and expensive.
4) Buying parts for a discontinued SIG is not easy.
5) Mediocre corrosion resistance.
6) Screws are used.
7) The replacement of some is too complicated.

I used to bad mouth Glocks, M&Ps, ARs and the like. No more. If I am going to fight or head into battle I want a Glock, a nice simple AR and a lot of ammo.
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So, the video guy can’t shoot a decent group at FIVE YARDS?

That is not the gun’s fault. I have a Hi Point that I paid 35 bucks for that will group better than this yahoo.

I carried a Sig P220 .45 ACP for 25 years in the FBI. Same gun, same barrel. 4 quals a year, starting at 25 yards. Some courses started at 50 yards, and the “possible course” started at 60 yards. Never had a problem.

The state of marksmanship these days is just sad.
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Now that's funny!!!!!..........I don't care who you are........glock chew toys......Who "wouldda" though?
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Ooo Sigs! I’ll play.
I found a 226 Legion for $700, so I bought it. Nice gun, I really like the front strap checkering.
The whole thing past that is just another 226. It could not be compared to my edc, 1994 229 .357 Sig. Excellent cartridge in, for me, the perfect platform. It has been to them for the spa treatment and it the smoothest action of any I have ever experienced.
Sold the Legion at a large profit and turned it into a pair of 220s.

Lately I have trimmed the heard to a 1990 Herndon VA W German 228 and my favorite nickel 220, 01 vintage, all German but assembled in US. And the 229...as far as plastic, I have been on a complete tour and only kept the 45 Shield.

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So let me get this straight, the OP is deciding against buying a gun because SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE INTERNET was a bad shot with said gun, and this single person from YouTube is somehow proof that it’s the gun that is at fault for the poor grouping.

This has got to be one of the stupidest threads I have ever read on this forum.

OP: Get off the internet and go to the range. I guarantee you can’t outshoot a box stock SIG P229, the same for 99% of people (including me) reading this.
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While on the subject... CDNN has a great selection of CPO 229's right now.
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Bought a 226 Legion just about two years ago. Have fired approximately 2,000 rds. Mostly Federal brand. Of course other brands to, but mostly Federal. No malfunctions of any kind whatsoever. From the very first shot, all rounds have been nicely centered firing from 4 yds. (draw and fire) out to 25 yds. Had to lay off shooting for a while since I broke my left hand in March of last year. Last trip to the range ... 50 rd. group firing standard qualification course ... all rounds inside 4 inches. For me, that is very good. Never have bench rested the pistol. Just know that I am extremely well pleased with this pistol. Sincerely. bruce.
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Just so I could feel good about myself, I pulled out my P229 and took it to the range yesterday. I wanted to prove that an old guy with bad eyes and arthritis could out-shoot the YouTube hero. Which I did. Easily. I toasted my accomplishment with a cold beer later......
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I'm not sure if we can have Sig legion anything here. Even though I never seen/shot or handled one up close some voice in my head says it's all a marketing gimmick.
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Seems like just about everything in the gun business is “marketing” these days. I’d bet the Legion 229 shoots like most of the 229s I’ve seen, which is to say, “pretty good!”
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The youtube video of the guy shooting the P226 poorly is not the guns fault I get it. I can get 1" groups at 21ft with a cheap Ruger LCR pistol. But I guess the real issue I am having with the P226 is justifying $1250 for a gun that I feel is overpriced. Sig coats the frame and slide with garbage PVD or slightly better Cereakote finish, both are inferrior to DLC Nitron. The other thing I don't like about the P226 it is a full size but only 15 rounds?

Anyway I got my sights set on the new MP9 Performance 2.0 with slide cuts, ported, 4.5lb tuned trigger, and adjustable overtravel stop. The gun street price will be $615 which is by far half the price of the Sig P226 and in while the P226 may be a little more accurate, the MP9 will be almost as accurate but quicker follow up shots. So basically I was looking to justify not liking the P226
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Been shooting Sigs for over 25 years. Duty carried a P229 for most of that time, and own four now that I'm retired. Never an issue with accuracy or reliability. Never paid full retail for one, either. They're keepers, along with my S&W revolvers. Hammer fired Sigs aren't for everyone...but fire a couple boxes of good ammo through one, before rushing to judgement.
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I have the Legion P229 in .357 and it's far more accurate than I am most days.
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So let me get this straight, the OP is deciding against buying a gun because SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE INTERNET was a bad shot with said gun, and this single person from YouTube is somehow proof that it’s the gun that is at fault for the poor grouping.

This has got to be one of the stupidest threads I have ever read on this forum.

OP: Get off the internet and go to the range. I guarantee you can’t outshoot a box stock SIG P229, the same for 99% of people (including me) reading this.
Or. go buy yourself a WWII vintage Luger. It's in the internet.

This dude is shooting at 25 meters, one handed, no sandbag rests , no fancy aiming apparatus. Them Lugers must be better than light sabers from "Star Wars".


Edit. And he must be an idiot because he managed to place 2 shots in the 8th ring all the same.
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Crocker sack= Sack made of burlap. Used on the farm. Would hold about 100 lbs. of fertilizer or 1 bushel of corn. If one wanted to a sharp knife or a heat gun could render a glock into shavings or a gooey mess in short order. Or a dog could chew it up.......Won't happen with any metal gun. If glocks were free I'd pass.
Okay, I've never heard a burlap sack referred to as a crocker sack before.

But again, who would ever want to voluntarily destroy their own Glock whittling away at the frame with a knife, melting it into a gooey mess with a heat gun, (whatever that is, another term I'm unfamiliar with, I suppose.) or feed it to their dog?

Honestly, two out of three of those occurrences require deliberate destruction of one's own firearm, and the third requires one to negligently leave their firearm in a place where their dog can get it.

I'm sorry, but your argument is completely absurd. If you prefer all metal firearms to polymer framed firearms, then that's fine, so do I, but your attempt to push the objective superiority of them is completely ludicrous. At least come up with a realistic, involuntary occurrence that could potentially destroy a Glock yet leave a SIG unharmed.

I mean, really... As long as we're using such absurd examples... What's to stop someone from spontaneously carving away at a SIG with a dremel tool, melting it down in a blast furnace, or trowing it into a trash compactor?

Last but certainly not least, do you honestly mean to tell me that you would not accept a free Glock, even though you could obviously turn around and sell it or trade it for another firearm? ...Wait, this guy who would nonsensically destroy a Glock for no reason, it's you, isn't it?
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Or. go buy yourself a WWII vintage Luger. It's in the internet.

This dude is shooting at 25 meters, one handed, no sandbag rests , no fancy aiming apparatus. Them Lugers must be better than light sabers from "Star Wars".

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Edit. And he must be an idiot because he managed to place 2 shots in the 8th ring all the same.
I gotta say my Luger is pretty dang accurate.
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I have the Legion P229 in .357 and it's far more accurate than I am most days.
So does your gun shoot itself freehand or from rest..
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That would be efficient!

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Last but certainly not least, do you honestly mean to tell me that you would not accept a free Glock, even though you could obviously turn around and sell it or trade it for another firearm? [/QUOTE]

YES! My reputation is worth more too me than money. Larry PS.. I felt I had to answer even though the question was not too me,

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Okay, I've never heard a burlap sack referred to as a crocker sack before.

But again, who would ever want to voluntarily destroy their own Glock whittling away at the frame with a knife, melting it into a gooey mess with a heat gun, (whatever that is, another term I'm unfamiliar with, I suppose.) or feed it to their dog?

Honestly, two out of three of those occurrences require deliberate destruction of one's own firearm, and the third requires one to negligently leave their firearm in a place where their dog can get it.

I'm sorry, but your argument is completely absurd. If you prefer all metal firearms to polymer framed firearms, then that's fine, so do I, but your attempt to push the objective superiority of them is completely ludicrous. At least come up with a realistic, involuntary occurrence that could potentially destroy a Glock yet leave a SIG unharmed.

I mean, really... As long as we're using such absurd examples... What's to stop someone from spontaneously carving away at a SIG with a dremel tool, melting it down in a blast furnace, or trowing it into a trash compactor?

Last but certainly not least, do you honestly mean to tell me that you would not accept a free Glock, even though you could obviously turn around and sell it or trade it for another firearm? ...Wait, this guy who would nonsensically destroy a Glock for no reason, it's you, isn't it?
Some people couldn't find their way out of a crocker sack of you gave 'em directions. You have got to let these type of people be. I mean, I tied my Sig to the back of my boat and went boating all day and it came out beat up as heII, then would you believe it, it rusted! What a joke, it must be an inferior piece of junk to my holy grail GLOCK...
All kidding aside, I just do not shoot some hammer fired pistols like my Sig 239, as well as I do a striker fired gun. Same goes for my Beretta 92fs. Some things like strikers and their reset, take some time to get used to. But once you do, they can be the better option.
Some people though, you find it might be easier trying to plss up a rope, than to convince them of something or compromise their sterling reputation in the firearm community.....
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For many years before I became a gun owner and a lot wiser, I really liked Sig Sauer and was planning on buying a P226 as my first handgun. I have been shooting for 12 years now, I work in a gun store and I have tried several Sig Sauer models. I must say that my opinion on Sig Sauer have change drastically.

They make some nice guns that are good shooters, but they are in my opinion overprized and you can get better guns that are in the same over even lower prize point than Sig Sauer.
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So let me get this straight, the OP is deciding against buying a gun because SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE INTERNET was a bad shot with said gun, and this single person from YouTube is somehow proof that it’s the gun that is at fault for the poor grouping.

This has got to be one of the stupidest threads I have ever read on this forum.

OP: Get off the internet and go to the range. I guarantee you can’t outshoot a box stock SIG P229, the same for 99% of people (including me) reading this.
The OP’s post is a troll post.
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Mike, there are actually quite a number of pictures of Glocks chewed-up by dogs on line. Google it. It must happen with surprising frequency!
They can chew anything plastic. One of my dogs chewed up my cell phone a few years ago. I saw the same dog chewing on a plastic 1/2 gal whiskey bottle while 5 feet away was a passed out former LAPD officer in a lawn chair. He was divorced and living out of his van. His life really went to the "dogs" at that point, aw forget it.
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Can you explain why you think these polymer throw aways are preferred fighting equipment?
I like revolvers, sporting rifles and shotguns with walnut stocks. I think that most people who know me would tell you that I am pretty traditional. That said, when I pick up a fighting rifle or pistol, I don't want a safe queen. I really wanted to like my P series SIGs. Here are my reasons for not.

1) The bore axis is way too high.
2) SIG customer service is not the best. This is being polite.
3) Purchasing magazines is frustrating and expensive.
4) Buying parts for a discontinued SIG is not easy.
5) Mediocre corrosion resistance.
6) Screws are used.
7) The replacement of some is too complicated.

I used to bad mouth Glocks, M&Ps, ARs and the like. No more. If I am going to fight or head into battle I want a Glock, a nice simple AR and a lot of ammo.[/QUOTE]



On your first point I don't see what thee prob is with the high bore axis is on my Sigs or my HKs for that matter. I can't compare to my Glocks because they are most all 10mm. I do have 2 239s in 357sig and a Glock 22 converted to the same. Being different gun platforms is the only difference I ever noticed.
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First, while not spectacular that accuracy is good enough to do the job and with a handgun that is what really matters.

As for the P229, mine is the Elite Stainless in 40 caliber and when I first got it more than 10 years ago I could shoot a Dead President at 50 feet with it in slow fire. Today there is not a chance I could duplicate that, my eyesight aint nearly as good as it was then and I spend almost all of my shooting time busting clay pigeons. Frankly I find punching paper to be a bit boring so my handgun shooting is done just to maintain my skills so I can shoot effectively should the need arise. I also haven't had the P229 out for at least 7 years because it's so smooth to shoot it's a real yawn and it is a bit heavy to carry. So, I shoot with one of my carry pistols, a S&W M36, Ruger LC9s, or Sig P239-40. If I want to have a bit of fun I'll take along a 1911 or two.
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