New Plinkers And Tacticool Cowboy Lever Rifles

[bigwheelzip]

Saw this Shot Show look at the Rossi display. Interesting features on the new Triple Black including threaded barrel muzzle, ramped peep sight and optics rail.
Also, new lever and pump action .22LRs.

New from Rossi: Blacked-Out Lever in .357, .44 Mag and .22 Pump and Lever – SHOT Show 2020 - GunsAmerica Digest

[HOUSTON RICK]

Cool, byt call me old fashioned

[Alpo]

My thought, when I got this in my email the other day, was that if Rossi wants to make a 22 pump, why not just bring back the 62? FINE rifle. Hard to improve on John Browning design.

[k22fan]

While they'll be perfect for someone they make me want to go back to a local store are see if they've put a price on a .22 that is based on a real military gun, a Remington rolling block.

[Inusuit]

Tactical and Cowboy should not be juxtaposed.

[surfgun]

I can not fathom that a forward mounted peep is very easy to use.

[Watchdog]

Undoubtedly one of the most ridiculous ideas to spring from any gun manufacturer in this century. And MSRP for this atrocity is $858?

What's next, I wonder. Perhaps a blacked out Single Action Army in .45 Colt with a light rail under the barrel?

Seriously, this is just sad.

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

Undoubtedly one of the most ridiculous ideas to spring from any gun manufacturer in this century. And MSRP for this atrocity is $858?

As a Rossi 92 owner who follows Rossi forums, it seems to fill a niche that some owners express, from what I see online.

A subset of pistol caliber lever enthusiasts want a silenced Rossi 92 carbine with optics, and until now have had to accomplish it themselves. Still other owners like the idea but don't make the effort.

There is a blued version of this rifle, but as to the $858 MSRP price of the Cerakoted version (non-Cerakoted MSRP $668) pictured, a rough breakdown:

16 inch Rossi carbine, blued, on Buds: $531
Cerakote coating on complete bolt rifle: $295
Machine barrel muzzle threads and thread protector: $100
Aftermarket accessory rail (unavailable from Rossi): $32

For a total do-it-yourself price of $958 vs MSRP of $858
Non-Cerakoted DIY price of approx. $663 vs MSRP of $668

It may not float everyone's boat, but there is a market for it, and the price reflects the cost of components. The problem with Rossi is that not everything in the catalog makes it to market.

[k22fan]

Originally Posted by surfgun

I can not fathom that a forward mounted peep is very easy to use.

You must not have tried. An aperture with a big hole mounted traditionally on the rear of the receiver blurs and is essentially out of view while you fired the rifle. They are faster and much more accurate than the open rear sight and bead supplied by companies like Remington. An aperture mounted in front of the receiver on rifles like the Japanese Arisaka bolt action works the same way. Many moons ago I owned a 7.7 mm Arisaka. That rifle changed from owner to owner at the local range being sold for $30 each time. A Herter's FL die set was always included with it. All 4 or 5 of us got it to group jacketed bullets into 1 1/4" at 100 yards. Arisakas actually have a lot of strong points but being attractive sporters is not one of them and we all had nicer bolt actions. Also using the peep sights in the barrel mounted ladder sights on .45-70 Trap Doors, .30-40 Krags and 1903 Springfields is the most accurate way to fire them if you have time and good vision to focus through the tiny holes. While they are not as good as apertures mounted on the rear of the receiver, for hunting deer I'd rather use the new Rossi's barrel mounted peep than the factory open sights most lever actions come with.

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by k22fan

While they are not as good as apertures mounted of the rear of the receiver, for hunting deer I'd rather use the new Rossi's barrel mounted peep than the factory open sights most lever actions come with.

Thanks for the description of your experiences with that type of sight. I really like the tang mounted sight my Rossi came pre-drilled and tapped for. The OEM buckhorn sights are less accurate and more time consuming to aim for me. I was very curious about that drift adjustable forward mounted peep, so thanks for sharing.

[Mike, SC Hunter]

Betcha I can shuck my standard lever WAY FASTER than you can with that hoo-la-hoop.

[Mike, SC Hunter]

Originally Posted by bigwheelzip

Saw this Shot Show look at the Rossi display. Interesting features on the new Triple Black including threaded barrel muzzle, ramped peep sight and optics rail.
Also, new lever and pump action .22LRs.

New from Rossi: Blacked-Out Lever in .357, .44 Mag and .22 Pump and Lever – SHOT Show 2020 - GunsAmerica Digest

That .22 lever looks like the old Erma-Werke/Henry action.

[andy52]

I think they watched the movie "Cowboys and Aliens" one to many times while smoking loco weed......

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter

Betcha I can shuck my standard lever WAY FASTER than you can with that hoo-la-hoop.

Some are better than others with a Hula-Hoop.

YouTube

[Echo40]

Mossberg is already offering something of the sort, and at a significantly lower price...



464 SPX - Centerfire Lever-Action Rifle | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

[Dieseltech56]

The threaded barrel is the key selling point with these rifles. They are trying to appeal to the ever growing suppressor crowd. Not going to lie If a blued 44 mag triple black hits the shelves near me I’m buying it. I have more than enough traditional looking lever action rifles.

Originally Posted by Watchdog

Undoubtedly one of the most ridiculous ideas to spring from any gun manufacturer in this century.

You must have missed the Marlin dark series

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry Callahan

Mossberg is already offering something of the sort, and at a significantly lower price...

The Mossberg is a rifle caliber and weighs a pound more than the pistol caliber Rossi.

[2152hq]

Nothing there for me.

But if it keeps a gun company or two in biz and makes some gun owners happy that's good.
Perhaps it just makes some new pro-gun people out of idle bystanders because it peaked their interest, nothing wrong with that.

[k22fan]

Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter

Betcha I can shuck my standard lever WAY FASTER than you can with that hoo-la-hoop.

Sure but I bet you aim. The hoo-la-hoop is for spraying the general direction of the other side of town from hip level. It looked like a better way to brainless Hollywood types.

The Mossberg pictured above would strain my tolerance for ugly and I've owned an ugly gun or two.

[slickracer]

Threaded barrel on a lever action? What is the World coming to?

The only thing worse would be a threaded barrel on a revolver.

[Ivan the Butcher]

I have a 45-70 Marlin Guide Gun still in genuine wood and blue steel! I have an Ackley Outdoors rail, it uses the front 2 receiver scope screws and the rear sight dove tail, That is for Scout scopes or red dot scopes. There is an optional peep (I don't have that) or you can use a tang or Williams receiver mounted target peep. Not at all traditional, but very fast handling. If I want all black, there is always Krylon!

I put this system together in the late 90's, and it has proven itself very useful. Now a similar factory package is available for the cost of parts? Good deal! However I do think the Mossberg would be useful too, if I didn't have wait until it was too dark to see it! I don't think I could ever be so desperate as to carry that ugly of gun!

Ivan

[ladder13]

Sorry for all the crapping in your thread.

[Rustyt1953]

I hope they sell a million of 'em.

[daglockman]

I would assume that Rossi's warranty sucks as bad as Taurus does. They won't see a dime of my $$.

[Chukar60]

I posted a thread about the Mossberg alien looking lever a while back. Have to admit that it offends my sensitivities. Other posters, as here were not enamored with it, but suggested it may appeal to others.
After consideration, yeah to me they are ridiculous and hideous, but if somebody else likes them great for the customers and the companies that put them out.
If we all liked the same guns, I would still own a 3.5”, N frame 357, a first year 4” HP, a 4” 27-2 and a 5” 27-2. Tried em all and didn’t care for a one of them. No accounting for some folks tastes.

[merl67]

While not my cup of coffee (I am American not British) if there is a market for them, and it keeps a gun company going who am I to complain. It is similar to the safety that S&W, and others have put on their revolvers as a company that is in the business to make money this often what they have to do to reach a broader market than they would otherwise.

[Gene L]

I'm less of a live and let live guy. Those things are awful. I'll vote with my wallet and feel no fiscal responsibility toward keeping Rossi and Mossberg going.

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by ladder13

Sorry for all the crapping in your thread.

No big deal. I expect the negativity. My Rossi 92 is great and I don't see a thing wrong with this new offering, but I'm not looking for that combination of features now either. Just wanted to put a heads-up out here about the availability of a new OEM feature set that is of use to some people.

[CajunBass]

I don't see where they're any uglier than an AR type rifle.

[Gene L]

Except the ARs were built for a purpose, without an ancestor. The Rossis and Mossbergs were made only to look tactical and don't have a purpose that I can identify. Lever rifles have good-looking ancestors in Winchesters and Marlins, which in my opinion, these rifles defaced.

ARs are totally practical, these rifles look to be eye candy for mall-ninja types.

I'm a traditionalist, admittedly. I don't care how many or how few they sell. I don't see a huge market for these rifles.

[Engineer1911]

The Mossberg 464 SPX would be a lovely complement to your Rhino revolver, a pair of the worlds ugliest guns.

[Mike, SC Hunter]

Originally Posted by bigwheelzip

Some are better than others with a Hula-Hoop.

YouTube

Not really.......If you really know the show / rifle Chuck used you would know that the lever on his rifle had a flip up tap that tripped the trigger.......No finger required....Besides it was tv.

.....just like Ojala outshot Arness in the opening scene of Gun Smoke

Real world vastly different from make believe TV.

[les.b]

How bout an Amish buggy with a spoiler and GPS?

(Sorry, BWZ... I don't mean to be disrespectful)

Best Regards, Les

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter

Real world vastly different from make believe TV.

Some people, though not me, like the large hoop lever for some reason. People talk regularly about swapping them on the Rossi forum. Some say it's better for winter gloved use. Anyway, it is a relatively easy and inexpensive part to swap.

[vonn]

Should work pretty well for hogs. I like peep sights and looks like you can mount a scout type scope on the rail. I will use anything that can give me an advantage and speed on target is an advantage . I show off my pretty guns but I hunt with some ugly ones. Never had a suppressor but only because of the cost and hassle involved in getting one, wouldn’t mind trying one for hunting. Probably helps save hearing for someone that hasn’t damaged theirs yet.

[Rustyt1953]

Henry's new "X" rifle. I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen with it.

[Rob613]

Except for the threaded barrels, which we can't have in NY. I can see these picking up sales here.

I have 2 AR15s in the gun safe, both NY legal. Take them to a public range and you get the looks. I take my Henry Long Ranger, shoot the same .223 and no one notices.

Get pulled over, tell the cop you have an AR in the trunk and you are going to be there a while. Tell him you have a Henry lever action in the trunk and they don't care.

I will stick to the traditional looking lever guns but these have a market in non-free states like mine.

[Borderboss]

I'm sure not understanding the Rossi hate in this thread. I have one of their 62s and it's a great gun. I could have bought a Henry lever .22 but didn't for two reasons:
1. I wanted a pump .22
2. I saw a lot of issues with Henry lever .22s online, enough for me to decide to take a pass.

As far as the threaded barrel on the lever gun, get over it. There are more than a few people that want to put a can on a lever rifle. It's actually a great platform for a suppressor. It can handle any ammo you feed it, unlike a semi-auto that needs specialized ammo with a suppressor.

[nbedford]

I like my Rossi R92, but I don't like the buckhorn sight mounted half way up the barrel. With my old eyes it is difficult or impossible to see well. I have been debating putting a Williams side mounted peep on the receiver, but it is such a perty thing; I'd hate it if my gunsmith messed it up. Just saying the peep sight is not a bad idea. The rest of it does not perk me up; big old loop, and threaded barrel. Mostly I wish Rossi had drilled and tapped the receiver like Marlin and Winchester have done for ages.

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Rustyt1953

Henry's new "X" rifle. I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen with it.

Oh look, another one. Thanks Rusty. I hadn't seen that Henry offered a pistol caliber synthetic stock lever rifle, setup for suppressors and optics, just like the Rossi. It's great to have choices, though the MSRP for the blued Henry is $970 vs $668 on the blued Rossi.
Big Boy X Model | Henry Repeating Arms

[Gene L]

I had a pump .22 Henry. It was huge, far too big for a .22. Accurate enough. I sold it and the guy I sold it to had a problem he had to send it back, who replaced it.

Buddy has a lever Henry .22, very accurate and a smooth action, but I don't like the zinc receiver, which also was on my pump. I have a Marlin 39, and that suits my .22 lever gun needs. I also have a Winchester 250 lever rifle, the first rifle I ever bought back in 64 or so. It was a cheap rifle then but it's accurate enough.

[Buford57]

Originally Posted by k22fan

Sure but I bet you aim. The hoo-la-hoop is for spraying the general direction of the other side of town from hip level. It looked like a better way to brainless Hollywood types.

The Mossberg pictured above would strain my tolerance for ugly and I've owned an ugly gun or two.

+1 40-odd years ago I came into a surplus French MAS 7.5mm with some kind of off-pale green paint all over the stock. It came with a paper bag of 7.63 Belgian Mauser ammo which, oddly enough, fired in the thing. I kept it in the truck for putting down injured livestock. The cattle seemed relieved not to have to look at it anymore when I shot them. It was a Weatherby next to that Mossberg.

[Dieseltech56]

Originally Posted by Borderboss

I'm sure not understanding the Rossi hate in this thread. I have one of their 62s and it's a great gun. I could have bought a Henry lever .22 but didn't for two reasons:
1. I wanted a pump .22
2. I saw a lot of issues with Henry lever .22s online, enough for me to decide to take a pass.

As far as the threaded barrel on the lever gun, get over it. There are more than a few people that want to put a can on a lever rifle. It's actually a great platform for a suppressor. It can handle any ammo you feed it, unlike a semi-auto that needs specialized ammo with a suppressor.

I don’t understand it either. I can buy and shoot multiple Rossi’s before I can ever come close to affording an original winchester 92. That and they come in calibers I already load for. It’s a win win in my book.

I have a suppressed Marlin 1894 CST. Everyone turns up their nose until I start shooting it.

[Mike, SC Hunter]

Originally Posted by k22fan

You must not have tried. An aperture with a big hole mounted traditionally on the rear of the receiver blurs and is essentially out of view while you fired the rifle. They are faster and much more accurate than the open rear sight and bead supplied by companies like Remington. An aperture mounted in front of the receiver on rifles like the Japanese Arisaka bolt action works the same way. Many moons ago I owned a 7.7 mm Arisaka. That rifle changed from owner to owner at the local range being sold for $30 each time. A Herter's FL die set was always included with it. All 4 or 5 of us got it to group jacketed bullets into 1 1/4" at 100 yards. Arisakas actually have a lot of strong points but being attractive sporters is not one of them and we all had nicer bolt actions. Also using the peep sights in the barrel mounted ladder sights on .45-70 Trap Doors, .30-40 Krags and 1903 Springfields is the most accurate way to fire them if you have time and good vision to focus through the tiny holes. While they are not as good as apertures mounted on the rear of the receiver, for hunting deer I'd rather use the new Rossi's barrel mounted peep than the factory open sights most lever actions come with.

I have to throw the flag on this ..........I don't believe it either. Try it early or late.......You're sunk.

[Alpo]

Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter

Not really.......If you really know the show / rifle Chuck used you would know that the lever on his rifle had a flip up tap that tripped the trigger.......No finger required....Besides it was tv.

.....just like Ojala outshot Arness in the opening scene of Gun Smoke

Real world vastly different from make believe TV.

The flip up tab on the lever is on Mattel rifles. Cap guns.





Chuck Connors' gun had a set screw mounted in the lever. You screwed it in for rapid fire and screwed it out for single shot.


Connors could shoot the gun rapid fire without it, but the producers of the show required a mechanical trigger trip because they were afraid he would catch his finger between the lever and the trigger and stab his finger, putting the show on hiatus while his finger healed.